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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 15, 2019 9:13:52 GMT
O’Neil McKinley and Scholes top of my list of “your shit get out of here “ thr first two quietly as they were just given jobs they were hopelessly unqualified to do ,the latter of course with a virtual , execution in front of the end where his pen , track suit , suit and process files are torched on a bonfire and he’s formally banned from ever setting foot in the city again as your not fit to wear the suit echoes from the tannoys Scholes yes and urgently the other 2 no they need time with their own players. If they’d been in from the start of the season we’d not be in the mess we are now. In respect to the players I’d keep I’d go with players who at least play like they care. Of that group I’d sell Allen because we might get something for him. So for me keep Federici Smith Batth Ryan Clucas McClean Diouf Gregory
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Post by s7oke on Dec 15, 2019 9:27:17 GMT
I wouldn't bat an eyelid if and when any of them leave. The only two players worth keeping are ones who don't want to be here more than them all, and can't even get into the matchday squad. I just hope that we don’t fucking sell them cheaply Etebo possibly Newcastle Ndiaye possibly Sheffield Utd ? Who knows
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Post by rorystowel on Dec 15, 2019 9:34:48 GMT
Ince and Vokes should be at the front of the queue to leave, but we’re more than likely stuck with them. £21 million we spent on those 2, let that sink in for a minute. Their performances and their lack of effort on the pitch make me fucking fume. Both need dropping ASAP, preferably into the middle of the nearest ocean.
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 15, 2019 19:00:39 GMT
With an eye on FFP, what kind of valuations do you think we have on our handful of players with any value?
And would there be any demand for anyone apart from possibly Badou, Etebo, BMI.....Woods?
Trying to put a value on Allen and Butland is very hard. But as our desperation grows, it'll obviously get lower.
Ince? Powell?
I'm struggling to see any major interest in these two given their wages.
GK:
Federici 2020 Butland 2021 £8m Davies Unknown
RB:
Smith 2022 Bauer 2022 £2m (any chance of Celtic interest?) Edwards 2024
LB:
Ward 2020 Tymon 2022
CB:
CCV 2020 Shawcross 2021 Batth 2022 BMI 2022 £2m? Souttar 2022 Wimmer 2022 Collins 2024 Lindsay Unknown
CM:
Duffy 2020 Imbula 2021 Allen 2022 £8m? Ndiaye 2022 £5m? Clucas 2022 Etebo 2023 £8m? Sorensen 2023 Woods Unknown £4m? Powell Unknown Cousins Unknown
RW:
Ince 2022
LW:
McClean 2022 Verlinden 2022
STR:
Hogan 2020 Diouf 2020 Campbell 2020 Gregory 2021 Ngoy 2022 Vokes 2022 Afobe Unknown
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 15, 2019 20:25:20 GMT
FFS sake Powell is on nowhere near £30k a week get your facts at least close to being right FM, I must have told you a billion times NOT to exaggerate! Gouranga. I read somewhere not so long back he was on £27k a week? Might have been in here from someone mid informed.... but it wudnt surprise me He's not take my word for it. Gouranga.
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Post by Godo on Dec 15, 2019 22:26:50 GMT
Obviously setting aside people like Wimmer and Imbula who I would swim across the channel on my back if we could fuck them off -
BMI - the man who looks like he would run quicker with a zimmer frame can go. CCV can go back Woods - can go Etebo and Diouf look as if they are on their way. Not sure what we do about Powell or Duffy?
Not sure why Gregory hasn't been given a chance as I would have thought his workrate would have applied to O'Neill.
So I'd say give 2 away (Wimmer/Imbula), sell 2 for decent fees (Etebo/Diouf) make a loss on Woods and BMI and obviously bring in a left back. I know people are crying out for an alternative wide right midfielder but could Diouf or Duffy have a go there and could Powell be a back up option at wide left? In our current financial situation I'd say left back and whatever positon the boss thinks is a priority ( probably winger and striker)
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 15, 2019 23:40:32 GMT
It's a pity they can't all be told to piss off,so we can start again from scratch.
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Post by samba :) on Dec 16, 2019 0:19:50 GMT
Davies Federici
Edwards
Batth Lindsay Collins Shawcross
Cousins
Clucas Gregory [/i][/quote] danny batth would be thanking his lucky stars
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Post by Gob Bluth on Dec 16, 2019 0:28:20 GMT
Ryan is a club legend, currently 8th in all time appearances, with a decent run he could get into the top 5.
If he left it would feel like the last remaining bit of the glory days is gone. He’s played well in patches in this league and when he has he’s a different league to any of the centre backs we have.
Apart from him they can all go.
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Post by potterpaul on Dec 16, 2019 1:33:12 GMT
With an eye on FFP, what kind of valuations do you think we have on our handful of players with any value? And would there be any demand for anyone apart from possibly Badou, Etebo, BMI.....Woods? Trying to put a value on Allen and Butland is very hard. But as our desperation grows, it'll obviously get lower. Ince? Powell? I'm struggling to see any major interest in these two given their wages. GK:Federici 2020 Butland 2021 £8mDavies Unknown RB:Smith 2022 Bauer 2022 £2m (any chance of Celtic interest?) Edwards 2024 LB:Ward 2020 Tymon 2022 CB:CCV 2020 Shawcross 2021 Batth 2022 BMI 2022 £2m?Souttar 2022 Wimmer 2022 Collins 2024 Lindsay Unknown CM:Duffy 2020 Imbula 2021 Allen 2022 £8m?Ndiaye 2022 £5m?Clucas 2022 Etebo 2023 £8m?Sorensen 2023 Woods Unknown £4m?Powell Unknown Cousins Unknown RW:Ince 2022 LW:McClean 2022 Verlinden 2022 STR:Hogan 2020 Diouf 2020 Campbell 2020 Gregory 2021 Ngoy 2022 Vokes 2022 Afobe Unknown I have a feeling Collins will be our prized asset and will go for more than Badou and Etebo. I'd then wager Verlinden would be of interest before the rest including Allen, Butland, etc
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Post by kustokie on Dec 16, 2019 2:23:55 GMT
Depends on the terms in the contract. However, normally both sides have to agree. So unless the other side wants them back, we are stuck with them. But everything is negotiable - just a question of money. We are seriously over-extended due to a large number of really bad deals. It’s a myth that Peter Coates is an experienced business person. His daughter is the brains and the vision behind BET365 and she has very little interest in SCFC. And don’t get me started on Scholes.
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 16, 2019 6:10:38 GMT
Fuck m all off
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Post by threepoints on Dec 16, 2019 7:56:50 GMT
Given the performance of the players on TV and the various comments made about some of them by commentators I can't see clubs wanting many of them, not in the current league anyway.
Other clubs won't give the generous contracts that SCFC seem to, so players won't want to leave.
Conclusion - we are stuck with most of the current squad and things will only change over the next two/three years as contracts run out and players are let go on a free transfers. I'm not happy about this but can't see anything else happening. Look at how many expensive players that SCFC have that can't even make the bench.
Quick fixes didn't work for Rowett or Jones, I hope we don't repeat these mistakes. It takes time to change any failing business which is what SCFC is. Just rushing around like Corporal Jones (Dad's Army) shouting 'don't panic' won't work. It will be survival time for the next two or three years.
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Post by Northy on Dec 16, 2019 9:02:25 GMT
Isn't Imbulas loan getting cancelled?
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 16, 2019 11:10:57 GMT
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Post by theoptimist on Dec 16, 2019 11:22:25 GMT
FFS sake Powell is on nowhere near £30k a week get your facts at least close to being right FM, I must have told you a billion times NOT to exaggerate! Gouranga. Correct. Its £30k per effective minute.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 11:25:54 GMT
An interesting calculation would be what our current players on the books cost to buy minus what their probable resale value is now.
Must have spunked an incredible amount of money not even including wages
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 16, 2019 12:52:36 GMT
All of them. Cowards to a man, totally shit footballers that lack any quality at all, or work ethic. Garbage, garbage and even more garbage. Lack of quality? Get real - our latest transfer rumour is a prospect from non-league football. He may well end up doing a decent job for us but he'll be replacing experienced Premiership quality internationals. You may not rate our current squad for other perfectly good reasons but if you think the quality of our squad is going to improve you really have lost the plot. We may well replace the whole of our squad over the next two or three seasons but the overall quality will be way worse than what we have at the moment. However if the manager gets it right those technically inferior players could end up being a far more effective team.
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