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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2020 23:02:32 GMT
Do you think a midfield of Woods, Cousins, Clucas is good enough to stay up, Grapey? Or two of the three with Powell if he stays fit? Woods can't be anywhere near it, we've looked so much better without him. Doesn’t leave a lot of wiggle room does it, given Powell’s frailty.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 3, 2020 23:20:09 GMT
Suddenly the thought of the much maligned wee Joe leaving is causing damp underwear. Oh dear.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 3, 2020 23:20:25 GMT
Woods can't be anywhere near it, we've looked so much better without him. Doesn’t leave a lot of wiggle room does it, given Powell’s frailty. Neither are any of MF players able to do the "stopper " role in front of the back 4. The imperative for me is not getting the wage bill down by releasing Allen, Etebo and Badou, it is finding the right player to do what Whelan did, and Cameron to less ability. Maybe even 2 to give us more "wiggle room". If we have to sell to get the man we need, so be it. Hughes was obsessed with bringing in "box to box" MF, Allen plus Imbula. Etebo and Badou followed, who I think were Cartwright signings; none effectively fill the Whelan role. Woods and Cousins have followed with subsequent managers, but none are good enough defenders. Hopefully MON knows how to solve this issue, he will have studied a lot of players, time will tell.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2020 23:26:19 GMT
Suddenly the thought of the much maligned wee Joe leaving is causing damp underwear. Oh dear. Because we’ve binned off all our other good midfielders as well, yeah.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2020 23:27:17 GMT
Doesn’t leave a lot of wiggle room does it, given Powell’s frailty. Neither are any of MF players able to do the "stopper " role in front of the back 4. The imperative for me is not getting the wage bill down by releasing Allen, Etebo and Badou, it is finding the right player to do what Whelan did, and Cameron to less ability. Maybe even 2 to give us more "wiggle room". If we have to sell to get the man we need, so be it. Hughes was obsessed with bringing in "box to box" MF, Allen plus Imbula. Etebo and Badou followed, who I think were Cartwright signings; none effectively fill the Whelan role. Woods and Cousins have followed with subsequent managers, but none are good enough defenders. Hopefully MON knows how to solve this issue, he will have studied a lot of players, time will tell. Badou was performing it just fine, to be fair.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 3, 2020 23:44:11 GMT
Suddenly the thought of the much maligned wee Joe leaving is causing damp underwear. Oh dear. Because we’ve binned off all our other good midfielders as well, yeah. Surely the master architect of our demise is not going to missed at all?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 3, 2020 23:44:46 GMT
15 million for a 30 year old is the type of business that I’d expect us to do. They’d get much more value in the long run looking at a Ben Pearson, Christian Norgaard, John Swift or Krystian Bielik. Still if they’re willing to stump up that sort of cash, I’m not too sure how we could refuse it.
Not to mention Sander Berge.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2020 23:47:05 GMT
Because we’ve binned off all our other good midfielders as well, yeah. Surely the master architect of our demise is not going to missed at all? Why are you again quoting something at me I’ve never said?
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 3, 2020 23:49:56 GMT
Surely the master architect of our demise is not going to missed at all? Why are you again quoting something at me I’ve never said? I'm not, it's the general consensus isn't?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 3, 2020 23:56:11 GMT
Why are you again quoting something at me I’ve never said? I'm not, it's the general consensus isn't? The thread would suggest otherwise. Isn’t the point that we could just about afford to lose two of the African lads and Allen, but not all three?
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 4, 2020 0:02:08 GMT
I'm not, it's the general consensus isn't? The thread would suggest otherwise. Isn’t the point that we could just about afford to lose two of the African lads and Allen, but not all three? Depends who is coming in surely.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 4, 2020 0:03:50 GMT
The thread would suggest otherwise. Isn’t the point that we could just about afford to lose two of the African lads and Allen, but not all three? Depends who is coming in surely. It does. Harder to get the players you need in January than the summer though, especially when you’re right in the shit.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 4, 2020 0:09:04 GMT
Depends who is coming in surely. It does. Harder to get the players you need in January than the summer though, especially when you’re right in the shit. You'd think so, but SCFC seem to balls up every window lately, summer or winter. Hopefully O'Neil and Chapple can do something about that.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 4, 2020 0:10:04 GMT
It does. Harder to get the players you need in January than the summer though, especially when you’re right in the shit. You'd think so, but SCFC seem to balls up every window lately, summer or winter. Hopefully O'Neil and Chapple can do something about that. Let’s hope so, because we’re fucked otherwise.
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 4, 2020 1:14:31 GMT
He's a couple of poor games from "fuck him off" despite his last few outings.
I have no doubt those poor games are just around the corner going on his history
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Post by musik on Jan 4, 2020 2:09:22 GMT
Allen ... our most attacked player on the pitch always.
He must be superior at something which pisses the opponents off.
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Post by leegthestokie90 on Jan 4, 2020 2:47:37 GMT
If Joe goes I reckon shud go for mpanzu(Pelly Ruddock)at Luton I know there doing bad has us but every time I've seen him he's one of Luton best players Jones was linked with him I know but could be worth a punt
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Post by robscfc on Jan 4, 2020 4:04:21 GMT
If Joe goes I reckon shud go for mpanzu(Pelly Ruddock)at Luton I know there doing bad has us but every time I've seen him he's one of Luton best players Jones was linked with him I know but could be worth a punt He’s looked poor whenever I’ve seen him
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Post by s7oke on Jan 4, 2020 4:39:36 GMT
15 million for a 30 year old is the type of business that I’d expect us to do. They’d get much more value in the long run looking at a Ben Pearson, Christian Norgaard, John Swift or Krystian Bielik. Still if they’re willing to stump up that sort of cash, I’m not too sure how we could refuse it. Not to mention Sander Berge. Sander Berge seriously??? He twenty million for one thing But West Ham are after him and Liverpool and Napoli are also watching him. Not a chance we can sign him unless we can turn the clock back two years. Although he is quality.
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Post by s7oke on Jan 4, 2020 4:40:16 GMT
If Joe goes I reckon shud go for mpanzu(Pelly Ruddock)at Luton I know there doing bad has us but every time I've seen him he's one of Luton best players Jones was linked with him I know but could be worth a punt He’s looked poor whenever I’ve seen him Very poor in fact!
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 4, 2020 9:35:15 GMT
Neither are any of MF players able to do the "stopper " role in front of the back 4. The imperative for me is not getting the wage bill down by releasing Allen, Etebo and Badou, it is finding the right player to do what Whelan did, and Cameron to less ability. Maybe even 2 to give us more "wiggle room". If we have to sell to get the man we need, so be it. Hughes was obsessed with bringing in "box to box" MF, Allen plus Imbula. Etebo and Badou followed, who I think were Cartwright signings; none effectively fill the Whelan role. Woods and Cousins have followed with subsequent managers, but none are good enough defenders. Hopefully MON knows how to solve this issue, he will have studied a lot of players, time will tell. Badou was performing it just fine, to be fair. I really like Badou as a player, but I don't trust him completely in the anchor role. The reason for this is that he takes too big risks, and especially in a couple of games where we were chasing the game he seemed to lose his head a bit and slipped several times. A good player, but not perfect for the anchor role in my opinion. I actually think Cousins is closest to the the type we need for this role, but he certainly has his limitations too. If Allen goes I'd keep playing two deeper lying central midfielders (two of Clucas, Woods and Cousins) because nobody on our books really is suited to play alone in an anchor role. I was impressed by Lasse Sørensen when we played Swansea in our last game of our relegation season, but he hasn't been given any new chances to show his value for the first team so it's hard to say where he stands today.
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Post by jaybee on Jan 4, 2020 10:10:08 GMT
Allen would probably be really pushing for it to happen too with his 30th birthday approaching, which would maybe be a consideration because there's no guarantee the same interst would be there in the summer if Moyes is forced to go elsewhere this month Alternatively, he may be quite happy with the job that he has, his wife is settled in their very nice house, their son is happy at his school - why up sticks to be on the fringes of an over ambitious premier league club in danger of relegation?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 4, 2020 10:15:06 GMT
Allen would probably be really pushing for it to happen too with his 30th birthday approaching, which would maybe be a consideration because there's no guarantee the same interst would be there in the summer if Moyes is forced to go elsewhere this month Alternatively, he may be quite happy with the job that he has, his wife is settled in their very nice house, their son is happy at his school - why up sticks to be on the fringes of an over ambitious premier league club in danger of relegation? Because he himself might be ambitious and wants to play at the highest level he can for as long as he can?
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Joe Allen
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 10:17:53 GMT
Allen would probably be really pushing for it to happen too with his 30th birthday approaching, which would maybe be a consideration because there's no guarantee the same interst would be there in the summer if Moyes is forced to go elsewhere this month Alternatively, he may be quite happy with the job that he has, his wife is settled in their very nice house, their son is happy at his school - why up sticks to be on the fringes of an over ambitious premier league club in danger of relegation? He’d probably get a 7 figure signing on fee.
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Post by SCFC92 on Jan 4, 2020 10:24:18 GMT
If Allen goes, we quite simply MUST replace him.
I understand if he does, big fee, big wages, almost 30 and he will want one last pop at the Prem.. no hard feelings.
We will miss him more than many on here suggest, we have to reinvest a portion of the money on someone to replace. And not a half arsed purchase either!
Chapple and MON have their work cut out of he does leave.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 4, 2020 10:31:22 GMT
Strange how such a shit player is wanted by a team a league above us, West Ham and Moyes need to learn off this board 😂🙄
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Post by SCFC92 on Jan 4, 2020 10:33:03 GMT
Strange how such a shit player is wanted by a team a league above us, West Ham and Moyes need to learn off this board 😂🙄 Would be no bad thing if he was lining up for us in the first game in Feb.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Jan 4, 2020 10:34:13 GMT
Has he gone yet?
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jan 4, 2020 10:38:33 GMT
Allen would probably be really pushing for it to happen too with his 30th birthday approaching, which would maybe be a consideration because there's no guarantee the same interst would be there in the summer if Moyes is forced to go elsewhere this month Alternatively, he may be quite happy with the job that he has, his wife is settled in their very nice house, their son is happy at his school - why up sticks to be on the fringes of an over ambitious premier league club in danger of relegation? Plus his chickens may not like London!
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jan 4, 2020 10:51:43 GMT
Etebo Ndiaye Clucas Woods Powell Duffy I know the last two aren’t strictly centre midfielders but I would have dropped Allen for a 4-2-3-1 much sooner than we went to it. The top 2 have left. Clucas already plays. Powell plays a different position. Duffy?? Good lord. Which leaves Woods. And if you think Woods is better than Allen, then we just disagree. I explained the Powell point in my post. The point with Etebo and Ndiaye is I would have played them both before they left over Joe Allen. Duffy is a very good player, evidently won’t be for us. I know Clucas plays but if I were to drop one of the two it would always be Allen. And Woods does show that he is a very good player, albeit only for very short periods after he comes back into the team.
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