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Post by robstokie on Dec 9, 2019 20:44:43 GMT
Think out of who they have - they could do worse than finally elect a female leader. I'm thinking either Yvette Cooper, or Liz Kendall to make a crack on the centre-ground that got them into power under Blair.
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Post by algor on Dec 9, 2019 20:45:54 GMT
This is just wishful thinking on your behalf. You think that the media are Tory bias, guess what Tory's think it is Labour biased, the truth is they are somewhere in between. You are also working on the premise that people only form an opinion based on media, they don't and even if they did social media which I think is what you are alluding to isn't only the domain of the left! If you think print is evenly balanced you just need to look at ownership. Mostly non dom tax avoiders who support the Tories to support their lifestyles. That the revolving door of the press world means if you ever want a job in Murdoch press you are better towing a certain line, it has an effect elsewhere too. And I'm not alluding to social media being only of the left, I'm talking about print and TV being prominently of the older. It's not only me thinking this, I have friends in the Tory Party who are terrified of this and that the party machine is ill equipped to adjust. We will see. Then your Tory friends are either ill advised or simply playing you. The change in media access is just that "access", the people who pay for the information gathering, the media campaigning, the ad's to the target audience etc are still the same. Maybe you think that the people that operate social media campaigns are idealogically driven, they are not, they are just as profit driven as any of the written press ever were. Again though you seem to think that people only come to an opinion based on what they read, they don't. If what you say was true then there wouldn't be any Labour voters as the "biased press" would have talked them out of it years ago.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Dec 9, 2019 20:58:30 GMT
If you think print is evenly balanced you just need to look at ownership. Mostly non dom tax avoiders who support the Tories to support their lifestyles. That the revolving door of the press world means if you ever want a job in Murdoch press you are better towing a certain line, it has an effect elsewhere too. And I'm not alluding to social media being only of the left, I'm talking about print and TV being prominently of the older. It's not only me thinking this, I have friends in the Tory Party who are terrified of this and that the party machine is ill equipped to adjust. We will see. Then your Tory friends are either ill advised or simply playing you. The change in media access is just that "access", the people who pay for the information gathering, the media campaigning, the ad's to the target audience etc are still the same. Maybe you think that the people that operate social media campaigns are idealogically driven, they are not, they are just as profit driven as any of the written press ever were. Again though you seem to think that people only come to an opinion based on what they read, they don't. If what you say was true then there wouldn't be any Labour voters as the "biased press" would have talked them out of it years ago. Well, I would hope what people read influences their decisions. For floating voters, the idea the repeated messages dont work isnt true. Hence the nature of campaigning. My Tory friends arent playing me, we discuss politics. They believe in the economics and are desperately trying to reinvent the social/ environmental aspect of policy in the face of a membership that is resistant. I can see that you dont think theres a demographic problem for the Tories. Itll take a while for this to play out. Theres certainly not many young members.
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Post by Absolution on Dec 9, 2019 21:04:07 GMT
I have literally no idea of his leanings on the left/right scale of the party, but based purely on how he comes across whenever I’ve seen or heard him interviewed, I reckon Stephen Kinnock would be massively popular. As it stands though, and assuming the Labour Party will be searching for a new leader (although I actually think we’re heading for a hung parliament) they seem intent on appointing a female leader, irrespective of who the best choice would be.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Dec 9, 2019 21:07:46 GMT
I have literally no idea of his leanings on the left/right scale of the party, but based purely on how he comes across whenever I’ve seen or heard him interviewed, I reckon Stephen Kinnock would be massively popular. As it stands though, and assuming the Labour Party will be searching for a new leader (although I actually think we’re heading for a hung parliament) they seem intent on appointing a female leader, irrespective of who the best choice would be. Be surprised if hes got much chance with the membership.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Dec 9, 2019 21:09:13 GMT
Think out of who they have - they could do worse than finally elect a female leader. I'm thinking either Yvette Cooper, or Liz Kendall to make a crack on the centre-ground that got them into power under Blair. I don't think either has much chance with members . Cooper very tainted for leavers.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 9, 2019 21:13:14 GMT
I'm not particularly political but I went to the Stoke Central hustings thingy at Staffs Uni tonight, if that's anything to go by Snell is a shoe in and Gideon may as well not bother, she took a proper hammering.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 9, 2019 21:16:44 GMT
It won’t be raynor
Terrible person
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Post by algor on Dec 9, 2019 21:19:35 GMT
I'm not particularly political but I went to the Stoke Central hustings thingy at Staffs Uni tonight, if that's anything to go by Snell is a shoe in and Gideon may as well not bother, she took a proper hammering. If the story of the "truth" coming out about the 4 year old sick boy being put on the floor in Leeds by his own mother is proven then I think you can forget Labour getting power for another generation!
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Post by elystokie on Dec 9, 2019 21:28:41 GMT
I'm not particularly political but I went to the Stoke Central hustings thingy at Staffs Uni tonight, if that's anything to go by Snell is a shoe in and Gideon may as well not bother, she took a proper hammering. If the story of the "truth" coming out about the 4 year old sick boy being put on the floor in Leeds by his own mother is proven then I think you can forget Labour getting power for another generation! That story featured, it wasn't Labour that took the hit from the audience over it truth be told.
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Post by algor on Dec 9, 2019 21:36:20 GMT
If the story of the "truth" coming out about the 4 year old sick boy being put on the floor in Leeds by his own mother is proven then I think you can forget Labour getting power for another generation! That story featured, it wasn't Labour that took the hit from the audience over it truth be told. We will see on Thursday won't we! I don't think the audience knew the facts (if proven) then did they?
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Post by robstokie on Dec 9, 2019 21:42:31 GMT
Think out of who they have - they could do worse than finally elect a female leader. I'm thinking either Yvette Cooper, or Liz Kendall to make a crack on the centre-ground that got them into power under Blair. I don't think either has much chance with members . Cooper very tainted for leavers. To be honest, all but maybe a handful are tainted for leavers. Think that surely, if Labour claim to be a modern progressive party, then a female leader has to be in there soonish - for all the cries of sexism towards the Tories, the Labour frontbenches and backers all seem to be pretty middle class, white, and male (and the token exception is hopeless)
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Post by serpico on Dec 9, 2019 21:53:23 GMT
It won’t be raynor Terrible person an irritating dilettante.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 9, 2019 21:54:12 GMT
Historically John Smith dying early was a blow. Gisela Stuart would have made a good leader or deputy leader.
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 9, 2019 21:54:49 GMT
I'm not particularly political but I went to the Stoke Central hustings thingy at Staffs Uni tonight, if that's anything to go by Snell is a shoe in and Gideon may as well not bother, she took a proper hammering. If the story of the "truth" coming out about the 4 year old sick boy being put on the floor in Leeds by his own mother is proven then I think you can forget Labour getting power for another generation! Is this right tbf no fucking chance would I allow any child of mine to be put on the floor I did feel slightly unsure about the validity of this story.
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Post by mattyd on Dec 9, 2019 22:05:09 GMT
Starmer is a prodigy of Blair. I don’t mind Hilary Benn and despite the background of privilege Kinnock sometimes speaks well. I’ve got a feeling they may try and shoehorn their best woman however sexism aside I don’t think they have any great female candidates I propose Dianne Abbott any one care to second that motion brothers. In a leadership election she would get at least 70% of the vote, and she prays to god no one else gets more.
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Post by mattyd on Dec 9, 2019 22:07:29 GMT
It won’t be raynor Terrible person My god what an awful person. Did you see her on QT tonight. Our next Education Secretary who pronounces " TH " as "F". How many times did she say I fink, and Fousands. Fick as Thuck if you ask me.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 9, 2019 22:08:23 GMT
That story featured, it wasn't Labour that took the hit from the audience over it truth be told. We will see on Thursday won't we! I don't think the audience knew the facts (if proven) then did they? Yes and I don't know. Martin Tideswell as the chair came across extremely well, seems a really genuine bloke. I'd vote for him
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Post by algor on Dec 9, 2019 22:08:24 GMT
If the story of the "truth" coming out about the 4 year old sick boy being put on the floor in Leeds by his own mother is proven then I think you can forget Labour getting power for another generation! Is this right tbf no fucking chance would I allow any child of mine to be put on the floor I did feel slightly unsure about the validity of this story. I thought the same myself, at the very least I would be sitting on the floor with my child in my arms! This type of propaganda makes me sick to my stomach, using their own kids like this! And that sick bastard waving the photo about all day like some sort of fucking trophy. Sick, Sick Bastards!
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 9, 2019 22:23:01 GMT
Historically John Smith dying early was a blow. Gisela Stuart would have made a good leader or deputy leader. Indeed big john a massive blow at the time as a Labour voter I would have loved him to be our PM so sad. I regrettably believed Bliar was a decent man then he turned into a mahoosive war mongering vagina, Corbyinsky is a man politically anchored in the late 1970's as a Thatcher hater I would possibly have turned to him then, however this is 2019 his policies are outdated unrealistic and will take our ruination as a nation to a whole new level, strange how experience changes your outlook or maybe it's just a natural progression
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Post by mattyd on Dec 9, 2019 22:35:24 GMT
Historically John Smith dying early was a blow. Gisela Stuart would have made a good leader or deputy leader. Indeed big john a massive blow at the time as a Labour voter I would have loved him to be our PM so sad. I regrettably believed Bliar was a decent man then he turned into a mahoosive war mongering vagina, Corbyinsky is a man politically anchored in the late 1970's as a Thatcher hater I would possibly have turned to him then, however this is 2019 his policies are outdated unrealistic and will take our ruination as a nation to a whole new level, strange how experience changes your outlook or maybe it's just a natural progression Said the same many times. And for the record I am not actually that scared by a Labour Government, but a Corbyn Government scares me shitless.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 9, 2019 23:10:10 GMT
Indeed big john a massive blow at the time as a Labour voter I would have loved him to be our PM so sad. I regrettably believed Bliar was a decent man then he turned into a mahoosive war mongering vagina, Corbyinsky is a man politically anchored in the late 1970's as a Thatcher hater I would possibly have turned to him then, however this is 2019 his policies are outdated unrealistic and will take our ruination as a nation to a whole new level, strange how experience changes your outlook or maybe it's just a natural progression Said the same many times. And for the record I am not actually that scared by a Labour Government, but a Corbyn Government scares me shitless. I hope you have plenty of bog roll in stock Matty I have feeling Corbyn will be in charge on Friday with the help of wee Jimmy fishy knickers, every cloud has a silver lining mate! glad I married an older woman now the WASPI money will come in handy buddy, if my gut feeling is correct I will be fcuking off to sunnier climes the extra money will come in handy a swimming pool a lorry load of san migs and bensons to see me out duck, along with the left wing obligatory stereo typed beer gut, shaved head , builders bum, born in Stoke made in the British army and fcuk the IRA tats why the hell did you come back duck it's fucked ?
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Post by Gods on Dec 9, 2019 23:17:57 GMT
Are we totally writing Labour off? I'm not so sure. I have! 5 polls at the weekend all showing a 10 point Tory lead and one today showing a 14 point lead. Only 50% of Remain voters supporting Labour as oppose to 79% of leavers backing the Tories so the Remain vote horribly split. I know it's 'only polls' and they have been unreliable but nothing like this. Just checked the 'Most seats' betting odds 1/33 Conservatives I think the game is up for Jezza.
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 10, 2019 2:06:45 GMT
I propose Dianne Abbott any one care to second that motion brothers. Seconded. With Lammy as Deputy Leader 😀 Scared of black people?
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Post by claytonscrubs on Dec 10, 2019 7:43:49 GMT
Seconded. With Lammy as Deputy Leader 😀 Scared of black people? Nah, just racist bigots who can’t count... Regarding Mr Lammy...
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Post by auntiegeorge on Dec 10, 2019 7:52:34 GMT
"Being an MP is a good job, the sort of job all working-class parents want for their children. Clean, indoors and no heavy lifting. What could be nicer?"
(Diane Abbott)
Prime Ministerial qualities indeed.
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Post by Gods on Dec 10, 2019 8:05:24 GMT
I quite like the sound of Jonathan Ashworth, reasonable sounding man of Salford with charm and humour that he is.
But I think Labour may feel they have to go for a woman this time, after all the Tories have had 2 femmes as leader, the LibDems and SNP have one now and I notice Finland just elected a 34 year old woman as their PM.
Labour won't want to start looking like some kind of old boys club that has failed to move with the times and let's face it they need to humanise the place a bit.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 10, 2019 11:36:58 GMT
Nah, just racist bigots who can’t count... Regarding Mr Lammy... David Lammy is a certifiable loony. This is a man who kicked off over someone stating that we were slaves to the EU, by saying that it was offensive to him as his ancestors had been slaves (ok, he may have had a genuine point here) but then went on to call Brexit Party members 'Nazis' shortly after, and then refused to retract his statement, instead saying that he hadn't gone far enough. At best he's a fruitloop and at worst he's a nasty piece of work. I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt and file him under 'unhinged'.
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 10, 2019 11:37:00 GMT
Nah, just racist bigots who can’t count... Regarding Mr Lammy... I didn't expect a truthful reply.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Dec 10, 2019 12:12:11 GMT
Nah, just racist bigots who can’t count... Regarding Mr Lammy... I didn't expect a truthful reply. I didn’t expect an intelligent reply...and I didn’t get one 😀 I can smell your Momentum stench from here!!
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