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Post by bathstoke on Dec 8, 2019 11:53:27 GMT
Now I’m not a great fan(more of a Sex Pistols kind of a guy)but I know they have great acclaim. One of the things that annoyed me about them is the story around White Riot, that they got mugged by black kids scoring drugs or whatever & then on there way back home, got mugged by white kids to. It just sounded a bit pathetic.
Anyway, I only have a couple of pieces of vinyl by them, Bank Robber & Sandinista! This is my favourite:-
How about you...
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Post by elystokie on Dec 8, 2019 12:48:53 GMT
Saw them at the Viccy Hall in the late 70s on the White Riot tour, wasn't and aren't really a big punk rock fan and I wasn't that impressed if I'm honest.
I think all the spitting n stuff put me off somewhat, they were better than a lot of the punk bands I saw at the time but that's really not saying much.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 8, 2019 13:55:57 GMT
Now I’m not a great fan(more of a Sex Pistols kind of a guy)but I know they have great acclaim. One of the things that annoyed me about them is the story around White Riot, that they got mugged by black kids scoring drugs or whatever & then on there way back home, got mugged by white kids to. It just sounded a bit pathetic. Anyway, I only have a couple of pieces of vinyl by them, Bank Robber & Sandinista! This is my favourite:- How about you... I've never heard that story before and it sounds very bogus to me. I've always thought it was based on them being at the Notting Hill carnival in 76(?) when loads of coppers got beaten up by black kids rioting about stop and search and police brutality and as a result Strummer wrote a song bemoaning the fact that white kids had it all too cozy and it was about time they had a riot of their own. Saw them several times, imo London Calling is one of the greatest albums ever made. Don Letts (long time Clash collaborator and eventual member of Big Audio Dynamite with Mick Jones) is on the cover of Black Market Clash at said riot.
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Post by Billybigbollox on Dec 8, 2019 14:12:46 GMT
Now I’m not a great fan(more of a Sex Pistols kind of a guy)but I know they have great acclaim. One of the things that annoyed me about them is the story around White Riot, that they got mugged by black kids scoring drugs or whatever & then on there way back home, got mugged by white kids to. It just sounded a bit pathetic. Anyway, I only have a couple of pieces of vinyl by them, Bank Robber & Sandinista! This is my favourite:- How about you... I saw them a couple of times in the late 70,s early 80’s. I’ve just bought a new record player, and was only playing Combat Rock yesterday. I miss playing vinyl. I realised that some of my records are over 40 years old. 🙁
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 8, 2019 14:20:01 GMT
Now I’m not a great fan(more of a Sex Pistols kind of a guy)but I know they have great acclaim. One of the things that annoyed me about them is the story around White Riot, that they got mugged by black kids scoring drugs or whatever & then on there way back home, got mugged by white kids to. It just sounded a bit pathetic. Anyway, I only have a couple of pieces of vinyl by them, Bank Robber & Sandinista! This is my favourite:- How about you... I've never heard that story before and it sounds very bogus to me. I've always thought it was based on them being at the Notting Hill carnival in 76(?) when loads of coppers got beaten up by black kids rioting about stop and search and police brutality and as a result Strummer wrote a song bemoaning the fact that white kids had it all too cozy and it was about time they had a riot of their own. Saw them several times, imo London Calling is one of the greatest albums ever made. Don Letts (long time Clash collaborator and eventual member of Big Audio Dynamite with Mick Jones) is on the cover of Black Market Clash at said riot. Mystical:-
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Post by telfordstoke on Dec 8, 2019 19:34:14 GMT
Strummer was IMO a bit of a dick, always preferred the Damned nd The Stranglers and , by time I was gigging, PIL . Had never seen them and Jones and Topper had jumped ship, and they had the line up tha5 made the appalling Cut The Crap and did a couple of miners benefit gigs in Brixton late 84, and we went to the second night and, in all honesty, they were terrible .
Looking at them overall, they had indisputably the best drummer of any punk band in Topper, the man was a proper musician despite his recreational habits . And some great albums interspersed with a lot of filler. Sandinista was a disc too many, Combat Rock has its moments, London calling is too much and could have been edited. Ironically, it’s Give Em Enoygh Rope that I keep coming back to, produced by a CBS in-house proper rock producer ( who made BOCs finest records) it’s a fucking powerhouse album, a rock classic. Strummer reinvented himself ( ditched friendships, negated his past) and Mick Jones was a wannabe glam rocker , Paul was authentic as you got by the look of, and a great albeit simple bass player.
I know they hit it bigger in US than the others, but as punk bands go, they’re the poor relation to the other big bands. I still go watch the UK Subs too, and Charlie epitomises everything The Clash weren’t. Was also a cheap shot them slating the Jam in “White Man in Hammersmith Palais”. Lol sorry for the long post!
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 9, 2019 0:09:51 GMT
White Man in Hammersmith Palais is one of the best tracks ever.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 9, 2019 1:10:22 GMT
Strummer was IMO a bit of a dick, always preferred the Damned nd The Stranglers and , by time I was gigging, PIL . Had never seen them and Jones and Topper had jumped ship, and they had the line up tha5 made the appalling Cut The Crap and did a couple of miners benefit gigs in Brixton late 84, and we went to the second night and, in all honesty, they were terrible . Looking at them overall, they had indisputably the best drummer of any punk band in Topper, the man was a proper musician despite his recreational habits . And some great albums interspersed with a lot of filler. Sandinista was a disc too many, Combat Rock has its moments, London calling is too much and could have been edited. Ironically, it’s Give Em Enoygh Rope that I keep coming back to, produced by a CBS in-house proper rock producer ( who made BOCs finest records) it’s a fucking powerhouse album, a rock classic. Strummer reinvented himself ( ditched friendships, negated his past) and Mick Jones was a wannabe glam rocker , Paul was authentic as you got by the look of, and a great albeit simple bass player. I know they hit it bigger in US than the others, but as punk bands go, they’re the poor relation to the other big bands. I still go watch the UK Subs too, and Charlie epitomises everything The Clash weren’t. Was also a cheap shot them slating the Jam in “White Man in Hammersmith Palais”. Lol sorry for the long post! Went to both of the Arthur Scargill Christmas gigs at the Brixton Academy and yes, by then, they had become a sad interpretation of what they had once been. One of the most futile moments in the list of all time futile moments is the steward on this clip at 1.20. Fuckin' love it!
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 9, 2019 7:55:16 GMT
Strummer was IMO a bit of a dick, always preferred the Damned nd The Stranglers and , by time I was gigging, PIL . Had never seen them and Jones and Topper had jumped ship, and they had the line up tha5 made the appalling Cut The Crap and did a couple of miners benefit gigs in Brixton late 84, and we went to the second night and, in all honesty, they were terrible . Looking at them overall, they had indisputably the best drummer of any punk band in Topper, the man was a proper musician despite his recreational habits . And some great albums interspersed with a lot of filler. Sandinista was a disc too many, Combat Rock has its moments, London calling is too much and could have been edited. Ironically, it’s Give Em Enoygh Rope that I keep coming back to, produced by a CBS in-house proper rock producer ( who made BOCs finest records) it’s a fucking powerhouse album, a rock classic. Strummer reinvented himself ( ditched friendships, negated his past) and Mick Jones was a wannabe glam rocker , Paul was authentic as you got by the look of, and a great albeit simple bass player. I know they hit it bigger in US than the others, but as punk bands go, they’re the poor relation to the other big bands. I still go watch the UK Subs too, and Charlie epitomises everything The Clash weren’t. Was also a cheap shot them slating the Jam in “White Man in Hammersmith Palais”. Lol sorry for the long post! Didn’t know that about White Man... thought it was a dig at the Two Tone/Ska scene...
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Post by redstriper on Dec 9, 2019 12:05:41 GMT
Saw them at Wolverhampton civic hall on the give me enough rope tour in december 78. Still in my top 5 all time favourite gigs.
They were hugely influential to me in my late teen years and it's churlish to slag them off in my view. They mastered several musical styles and have at least half a dozen tracks that have stood the test of time. Compare them to the bland soppy ballads churned out these days by myriad boys sitting on stools , I could stand a few feet from Joe Strummer and feel I belonged for £4. Today they pay £150 plus a booking fee just to sway to ed sheeran from 200 yards away with a pair of binos.
I'm glad i was young then compared to now.
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Post by lordb on Dec 9, 2019 12:12:53 GMT
Strummer was IMO a bit of a dick, always preferred the Damned nd The Stranglers and , by time I was gigging, PIL . Had never seen them and Jones and Topper had jumped ship, and they had the line up tha5 made the appalling Cut The Crap and did a couple of miners benefit gigs in Brixton late 84, and we went to the second night and, in all honesty, they were terrible . Looking at them overall, they had indisputably the best drummer of any punk band in Topper, the man was a proper musician despite his recreational habits . And some great albums interspersed with a lot of filler. Sandinista was a disc too many, Combat Rock has its moments, London calling is too much and could have been edited. Ironically, it’s Give Em Enoygh Rope that I keep coming back to, produced by a CBS in-house proper rock producer ( who made BOCs finest records) it’s a fucking powerhouse album, a rock classic. Strummer reinvented himself ( ditched friendships, negated his past) and Mick Jones was a wannabe glam rocker , Paul was authentic as you got by the look of, and a great albeit simple bass player. I know they hit it bigger in US than the others, but as punk bands go, they’re the poor relation to the other big bands. I still go watch the UK Subs too, and Charlie epitomises everything The Clash weren’t. Was also a cheap shot them slating the Jam in “White Man in Hammersmith Palais”. Lol sorry for the long post! Didn’t know that about White Man... thought it was a dig at the Two Tone/Ska scene... White Riot was 1977 Two Tone was 1979
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Post by thequietman on Dec 9, 2019 12:46:14 GMT
I've only got the London Calling album tbh & never saw them live. Too young during their heyday (living 20 miles out in the country from anywhere they were likley to play, and no bus service) and they'd become a sad pastiche of themselves by the time I was old enough to drive.
At their best, they were equally at home with many styles of music and that's largely down to Topper. He regularly features in documentaries on great drummers and rightly so. He got a swing into his style that few could match.
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Post by telfordstoke on Dec 9, 2019 20:20:23 GMT
Didn’t know that about White Man... thought it was a dig at the Two Tone/Ska scene... White Riot was 1977 Two Tone was 1979 He mentions new groups in Burton suits which was aimed at Weller and co. Great song, mind but a cheap dig a bit
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Post by trentvale68 on Dec 9, 2019 20:44:57 GMT
I find them hugely overrated, got some good songs but also lots of filler. I also can't be doing with Strummer's voice, I find it sounds forced.
Certainly the likes of The Stranglers and The Jam leave them standing. Take The Jam in particular, they leave The Clash standing on things like songwriting, musicianship, vocals etc
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 10, 2019 21:48:04 GMT
White Riot was 1977 Two Tone was 1979 He mentions new groups in Burton suits which was aimed at Weller and co. Great song, mind but a cheap dig a bit That lyric was in response to Weller saying sometime in 77 or 78 that he’d be voting conservative in the next general election. There was plenty of bitching going on back in the day among the punk elite.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 0:27:23 GMT
He mentions new groups in Burton suits which was aimed at Weller and co. Great song, mind but a cheap dig a bit That lyric was in response to Weller saying sometime in 77 or 78 that he’d be voting conservative in the next general election. There was plenty of bitching going on back in the day among the punk elite.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2019 0:37:05 GMT
He mentions new groups in Burton suits which was aimed at Weller and co. Great song, mind but a cheap dig a bit That lyric was in response to Weller saying sometime in 77 or 78 that he’d be voting conservative in the next general election. There was plenty of bitching going on back in the day among the punk elite. I met Joe Strummer (John Mellor) at Acton Town Hall in 2002. I asked him about the lyrics to (White Man) in Hammersmith Palais. He said all the speculation was horse shit. As with all songs there was some truth but most of it was shit.. He was an all round good person who had a difficult early life. And is very much missed. " Joe Strummer was born John Graham Mellor in Ankara, Turkey, on 21 August 1952. His Scottish mother, Anna Mackenzie (1915–1986), a crofter's daughter born and raised in Bonar Bridge in the Scottish Highlands, was a nurse. His British father, Ronald Ralph Mellor MBE (1916–1984), was a clerical officer—later attaining the rank of second secretary—in the foreign service,[2] born in Lucknow, India. Ronald Mellor, whose father was a railway official in India, had an Armenian maternal grandfather and a German Jewish paternal grandmother.[3] At the age of 9, Strummer and his older brother David, 10, began boarding at the City of London Freemen's School in Surrey. Strummer rarely saw his parents during the next seven years.
t the age of nine I had to say good-bye to them because they went abroad to Africa or something. I went to boarding school and only saw them once a year after that – the Government paid for me to see my parents once a year. I was left on my own, and went to this school where thick rich people sent their thick rich kids. Another perk of my father's job – it was a job with a lot of perks – all the fees were paid by the Government. — Joe Strummer[4]
He developed a love of rock music listening to records by Little Richard and the Beach Boys as well as American folk-singer Woody Guthrie.[5] Strummer would even go by the nickname "Woody" for a few years.[6] Strummer would later say that "the reason [he] played music was the Beach Boys".[7]
By 1970 his brother David had become estranged from his family. His suicide in July profoundly affected Strummer, as did having to identify his body after it had lain undiscovered for three days.[
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 11, 2019 10:21:39 GMT
Not a great fan. I liked a couple of tracks but 1977 was my favourite.
As mentioned by others i preferred the damned, skids, stranglers.
My fave will always be the dead kennedys though.
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Post by crowey on Dec 11, 2019 11:36:53 GMT
..... saw them in North London ?? The Raindow in 1978. Sham 69 had just been banned from performing live, but turned up anyway as support. I think I was in the sixth row from the front. Front five rows were destroyed. Great gig
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