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Post by march4 on Dec 8, 2019 10:24:20 GMT
The issue with our players is they feel entitled. Entitled to have a big name manager with plenty of experience at both this level and a higher level. They might not admit this openly but it is what their sub conscious seems to be saying.
Rowett wasn’t a big enough name for them. They gave him half hearted respect and this produced half hearted performances.
I had never heard of Nathan Jones and so some of these players won’t either. He stood no chance of motivating them.
Ditto Michael O’Neill. And when the players found out he is going to keep another job they must have been incredulous.
We either get rid of nearly all our players (impossible) or appoint a big name manager.
If Steve Bruce had replaced Rowett we would not be in this mess now.
I can see another relegation next season as well as this at the moment.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 8, 2019 10:26:52 GMT
At least he looks like a manager, the squad he has is piss poor which is not his fault however playing Ince, Vokes and Ward in the starting eleven is not going to work, if he continues doing so he will be able to concentrate on NI full time again in the near future.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 8, 2019 10:30:08 GMT
At least he looks like a manager, the squad he has is piss poor which is not his fault however playing Ince, Vokes and Ward in the starting eleven is not going to work, if he continues doing so he will be able to concentrate on NI full time again in the near future. He could look like captain pug wash in drag for me if he picked the best players , organised and motivated then , got them fitness and understood the league he’s allegedly managing in , if not Northern Ireland are very welcome |
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 8, 2019 10:36:22 GMT
At least he looks like a manager, the squad he has is piss poor which is not his fault however playing Ince, Vokes and Ward in the starting eleven is not going to work, if he continues doing so he will be able to concentrate on NI full time again in the near future. He could look like captain pug wash in drag for me if he picked the best players , organised and motivated then , got them fitness and understood the league he’s allegedly managing in , if not Northern Ireland are very welcome Listening to him I am not sure how inspirational he would be in the dressing room, I agree about picking the best players and if he believes Ince, Vokes and Ward are his best options he probably should be looking for another job. Saying that the players have to take a large part of the blame but not as much as the board of clowns who have overseen and funded this clusterfuck of a squad. |
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Post by RF10 on Dec 8, 2019 10:38:24 GMT
The obsession with the diamond is one reason that got us in this mess with too many central midfield players, mostly not up to their jobs and lack of wide men. He's right we don't have any other options if we are to player with wingers but that's not his fault Tom Ince is a pile of shit 80% of the time.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 8, 2019 10:44:03 GMT
The obsession with the diamond is one reason that got us in this mess with too many central midfield players, mostly not up to their jobs and lack of wide men. He's right we don't have any other options if we are to player with wingers but that's not his fault Tom Ince is a pile of shit 80% of the time. I agree our midfield is a mess so why not play Badou there ? Ince as you say is shit most of the time so why not change the formation or player try Mamma there needs must and we all know he will give his all. |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Dec 8, 2019 11:15:23 GMT
The obsession with the diamond is one reason that got us in this mess with too many central midfield players, mostly not up to their jobs and lack of wide men. He's right we don't have any other options if we are to player with wingers but that's not his fault Tom Ince is a pile of shit 80% of the time. I agree our midfield is a mess so why not play Badou there ? Ince as you say is shit most of the time so why not change the formation or player try Mamma there needs must and we all know he will give his all. Of course he needs time as there is a lot to sort out, Jones bought 12 players of whom only CCV (out of position because Edwards gives a goal a game away from the back post cross) and Powell would start for me and maybe Vokes/Gregory if Diouf replaced Ince. Rowett's buys look slightly better but cost a lot more. Nevertheless, not changing the central midfield yesterday beggars belief and the idea Clucas is better closer tot eh striker than Powell makes no sense. He should buy himslef tiem by picking the players that give him the best chance of grinding out results, he cant have thought that this would be Woods and Allen after our recent form. There must be a real chance we wont be able to get the players we want in Jan given our league position so he needs to work with what he has and get Verlinden back. For me that would be a 4-2-3-1 to give us more solidity in front of the back four Butland CCV Ryan Bruno (best of a bad bunch) Clucas Etebo Badou Powell Ince Diouf McClean When Diouf has had a couple of games and has matchtime in his legs then there is the option is to play him wide until Verlinden returns but the striker options are not inspiring. Question is who is best(least worst) Ince or Gregory/Vokes? Either way, it is 6 players who didnt start yesterday, 7 with Verlinden. Sign 2 full backs and a striker and we could be starting with 9 or 10 changes from yesterday by January Butland new RB Ryan CCV New LB Badou Etebo Powell Verlinden Striker McClean/Diouf |
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Post by RF10 on Dec 8, 2019 11:17:05 GMT
The obsession with the diamond is one reason that got us in this mess with too many central midfield players, mostly not up to their jobs and lack of wide men. He's right we don't have any other options if we are to player with wingers but that's not his fault Tom Ince is a pile of shit 80% of the time. I agree our midfield is a mess so why not play Badou there ? Ince as you say is shit most of the time so why not change the formation or player try Mamma there needs must and we all know he will give his all. I was mainly referring to wide players rather than Badou or Etebo, who I agree should play. What other options are there regarding formation. McClean and Ince and Diouf who is an impact player are the only options we currently have. |
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 8, 2019 11:29:03 GMT
I agree our midfield is a mess so why not play Badou there ? Ince as you say is shit most of the time so why not change the formation or player try Mamma there needs must and we all know he will give his all. I was mainly referring to wide players rather than Badou or Etebo, who I agree should play. What other options are there regarding formation. McClean and Ince and Diouf who is an impact player are the only options we currently have. MON has stated he does not have a preferred system, sticking with Ince as a winger is not working literally, if he can't fathom a system that works for the dross we have get Verlinden back or play mama wide we need energy and pace, he also needs to drop Vokes with immediate effect. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 11:52:50 GMT
He said he's given most of them 5 games and they haven't taken their opportunity so there will be changes with some fringe players coming in
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Post by minnierover on Dec 8, 2019 12:08:12 GMT
He hasn’t had to do day to day , 7 day a week management for 8 years. That’s a long time. It could be a culture shock for him. It’s a job that needs full attention and long hours to get us out of trouble. Trouble is the NI distraction, will he be studying videos of our squad and our upcoming opponents this week or videos of Bosnia & Herzegovina for the play offs. I’d guess NI means more to him than Stoke. That can’t be right.
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Post by somersetstokie on Dec 8, 2019 18:56:31 GMT
Stoke have not even been mentioned on the last two weeks on Quest after the highlights were shown. They talk about the opposition, not a scooby about us. Is Colin a bit embarrassed that his idol is being exposed as a charlatan? To be fair it can’t be easy for any fucker coming in to manage this bunch of wankers, They really are a load of shite. There are only about 3 decent players among them. The rest are just not good enough. With this lot we will struggle in Div 1, which is where we are unfortunately heading if O’Neill can’t turn things around. If only we could work out which those 3 decent players are we might be on the road to revovery. |
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Post by Davef on Dec 8, 2019 19:11:55 GMT
The issue with our players is they feel entitled. Entitled to have a big name manager with plenty of experience at both this level and a higher level. They might not admit this openly but it is what their sub conscious seems to be saying. Rowett wasn’t a big enough name for them. They gave him half hearted respect and this produced half hearted performances. I had never heard of Nathan Jones and so some of these players won’t either. He stood no chance of motivating them. Ditto Michael O’Neill. And when the players found out he is going to keep another job they must have been incredulous. We either get rid of nearly all our players (impossible) or appoint a big name manager. If Steve Bruce had replaced Rowett we would not be in this mess now. I can see another relegation next season as well as this at the moment. That would be the Steve Bruce who delayed his appointment at Sheffield Wednesday due to having two operations and to grieve both his parents would it? The very same Steve Bruce who took the Newcastle job last summer? |
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 8, 2019 19:19:19 GMT
The issue with our players is they feel entitled. Entitled to have a big name manager with plenty of experience at both this level and a higher level. They might not admit this openly but it is what their sub conscious seems to be saying. Rowett wasn’t a big enough name for them. They gave him half hearted respect and this produced half hearted performances. I had never heard of Nathan Jones and so some of these players won’t either. He stood no chance of motivating them. Ditto Michael O’Neill. And when the players found out he is going to keep another job they must have been incredulous. We either get rid of nearly all our players (impossible) or appoint a big name manager. If Steve Bruce had replaced Rowett we would not be in this mess now. I can see another relegation next season as well as this at the moment. Have you ever read so much garbage? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 19:24:06 GMT
The issue with our players is they feel entitled. Entitled to have a big name manager with plenty of experience at both this level and a higher level. They might not admit this openly but it is what their sub conscious seems to be saying. Rowett wasn’t a big enough name for them. They gave him half hearted respect and this produced half hearted performances. I had never heard of Nathan Jones and so some of these players won’t either. He stood no chance of motivating them. Ditto Michael O’Neill. And when the players found out he is going to keep another job they must have been incredulous. We either get rid of nearly all our players (impossible) or appoint a big name manager. If Steve Bruce had replaced Rowett we would not be in this mess now. I can see another relegation next season as well as this at the moment. Have you ever read so much garbage? Yes, every time March speaks |
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Post by Billybigbollox on Dec 8, 2019 19:57:29 GMT
To be fair it can’t be easy for any fucker coming in to manage this bunch of wankers, They really are a load of shite. There are only about 3 decent players among them. The rest are just not good enough. With this lot we will struggle in Div 1, which is where we are unfortunately heading if O’Neill can’t turn things around. If only we could work out which those 3 decent players are we might be on the road to revovery. Etebo, Ndiaye, and.............. make that 2 |
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Post by march4 on Dec 8, 2019 20:05:09 GMT
The issue with our players is they feel entitled. Entitled to have a big name manager with plenty of experience at both this level and a higher level. They might not admit this openly but it is what their sub conscious seems to be saying. Rowett wasn’t a big enough name for them. They gave him half hearted respect and this produced half hearted performances. I had never heard of Nathan Jones and so some of these players won’t either. He stood no chance of motivating them. Ditto Michael O’Neill. And when the players found out he is going to keep another job they must have been incredulous. We either get rid of nearly all our players (impossible) or appoint a big name manager. If Steve Bruce had replaced Rowett we would not be in this mess now. I can see another relegation next season as well as this at the moment. That would be the Steve Bruce who delayed his appointment at Sheffield Wednesday due to having two operations and to grieve both his parents would it? The very same Steve Bruce who took the Newcastle job last summer? The Steve Bruce who led Sheffield Weds up the table. Who have we appointed in the meantime? |
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Post by Davef on Dec 8, 2019 20:06:46 GMT
That would be the Steve Bruce who delayed his appointment at Sheffield Wednesday due to having two operations and to grieve both his parents would it? The very same Steve Bruce who took the Newcastle job last summer? The Steve Bruce who led Sheffield Weds up the table. Who have we appointed in the meantime? Yes, and who took the Newcastle job last summer. |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 8, 2019 22:05:24 GMT
Charlatan or not he doesn't seem to want to talk about us all of a sudden. I thought our position in this division would be worth some kind of acknowledgement. You're right, there is a general lack of interest in our plight in the national media. Not sure if that is because there remains a misguided sense that we will pull away or if we are simply not as much a national story as say Sunderland. I get the impression that if he'd carried on his good start, it'd be the Michael O'Neill Show on Quest. Alas, we've not even warranted a passing mention. |
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Post by rawli on Dec 8, 2019 22:30:58 GMT
Stoke have not even been mentioned on the last two weeks on Quest after the highlights were shown. They talk about the opposition, not a scooby about us. Is Colin a bit embarrassed that his idol is being exposed as a charlatan? Are you embarrassed as being exposed as a cretin? |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 8, 2019 22:34:32 GMT
Stoke have not even been mentioned on the last two weeks on Quest after the highlights were shown. They talk about the opposition, not a scooby about us. Is Colin a bit embarrassed that his idol is being exposed as a charlatan? Are you embarrassed as being exposed as a cretin? And why would that be, fella? |
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Post by pottersrule on Dec 9, 2019 8:58:22 GMT
Are you embarrassed as being exposed as a cretin? And why would that be, fella? I think the clue is in the Opening post. |
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Post by georgieboy52 on Dec 9, 2019 9:06:45 GMT
Are you embarrassed as being exposed as a cretin? And why would that be, fella? I noticed that too. After the first two matches which Stoke won under MON, Murray refered to him as "the great Michael O'Neil. Perhaps there will be a comment from Murray on Quest, Wednesday night because Stoke will beat lousy Luton. |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 9, 2019 9:14:34 GMT
And why would that be, fella? I think the clue is in the Opening post. Oh right so we have been mentioned by Colin Murray recently then. I remember a few comments on Bradley Dack after Blackburn and then Jarrod Bowen the other night, perhaps I'm going deaf or nodded off when he was giving his analysis on us. I do apologise. |
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