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Post by salopstick on Jan 23, 2022 16:21:24 GMT
Just like all politicians not prepared or willing to deal with this problem but prepared to keep it in the bag for when they need it. If true she could have done more to fight this islamaphobia when it happened. Now its just lumped in with all the anti-Boris rhetoric Would you say the same to an alleged victim of rape or historical sexual abuse, "why didn't they fight it when it happened?" Different subject and circumstances but you do see those victims lose credibility in some cases. And if they were doing it for other reasons rather than justice then maybe yes. I won’t defend Boris over this but it seems it’s coming out now to create problems for him rather than get to the justice of any islamophobia in the Tory party. And in That case it’s wrong
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 23, 2022 22:08:33 GMT
Corbyn laid a wreath did you miss that I missed your condemnation. My thoughts on the alleged bigotry are the same as the last time you asked, investigate, kick out people if found true, fail to deal with it and they will deservedly end up in the same hole as the Labour party. Your position seems a bit strange previously your belief was the problem was overstated and claims were being used for factional reasons, labour mps claims were not to be believed yet here we are and straight away you accept a tory mp is telling the truth. Yes he laid a wreath for the victims of a 1985 air strike what has that got to do with the mastermind of the Munich massacre Abu Daoud who died and was buried in Syria? Facts matter. There's nothing strange about my views, the problem of anti-semitism in the Labour Party were absolutely overstated for factional reasons the more I read the more obvious that is, I mean statistically anyone with a calculator should easily come to that conclusion. And again I'm not sure what Labour MP's I didn't believe, I condemned anti-semitic abuse of several Labour MP's (where it was evidenced) whilst also highlighting the absurdity of the likes of Luciana Berger claiming abuse from right wing trolls on the internet were part of a new wave of anti-semitism in the party (yes - amazingly - for factional reasons). Again, facts matter. If the EHRC were independent (laughable) they would have been all over the Tories like a tramp on chips regarding Islamophobia. I said on dozens of occasions there was a problem in a small percentage of the Labour Party with anti-semitism, would you like to join me in condemning a small percentage of the Conservative Party complicit in Islamphobia as well? Because racism is racism in my eyes........ Facts matter here in your beloved leaders own words he talks about attending wreath laying for black september terrorists including the wreath he laid himself but hey who hasnt accidentially found themselves in such a situation.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 23, 2022 22:46:17 GMT
Yes he laid a wreath for the victims of a 1985 air strike what has that got to do with the mastermind of the Munich massacre Abu Daoud who died and was buried in Syria? Facts matter. There's nothing strange about my views, the problem of anti-semitism in the Labour Party were absolutely overstated for factional reasons the more I read the more obvious that is, I mean statistically anyone with a calculator should easily come to that conclusion. And again I'm not sure what Labour MP's I didn't believe, I condemned anti-semitic abuse of several Labour MP's (where it was evidenced) whilst also highlighting the absurdity of the likes of Luciana Berger claiming abuse from right wing trolls on the internet were part of a new wave of anti-semitism in the party (yes - amazingly - for factional reasons). Again, facts matter. If the EHRC were independent (laughable) they would have been all over the Tories like a tramp on chips regarding Islamophobia. I said on dozens of occasions there was a problem in a small percentage of the Labour Party with anti-semitism, would you like to join me in condemning a small percentage of the Conservative Party complicit in Islamphobia as well? Because racism is racism in my eyes........ Facts matter here in your beloved leaders own words he talks about attending wreath laying for black september terrorists including the wreath he laid himself but hey who hasnt accidentially found themselves in such a situation. An article about his visit, a group photo and (weirdly) a picture of his Ipad. Not quite sure what I'm looking at here? Anyway back to the subject in hand I see you failed to condemn Islamophobia in the Conservative Party as alleged in the current story but also previous ones as documented by the likes of Baroness Warsi. Michael Fabricant is doing the media circuit defending them today, an Islamophobe defending allegations of Islamophobia in his own party. Is he the best they could get?
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 24, 2022 9:03:04 GMT
Facts matter here in your beloved leaders own words he talks about attending wreath laying for black september terrorists including the wreath he laid himself but hey who hasnt accidentially found themselves in such a situation. An article about his visit, a group photo and (weirdly) a picture of his Ipad. Not quite sure what I'm looking at here? Anyway back to the subject in hand I see you failed to condemn Islamophobia in the Conservative Party as alleged in the current story but also previous ones as documented by the likes of Baroness Warsi. Michael Fabricant is doing the media circuit defending them today, an Islamophobe defending allegations of Islamophobia in his own party. Is he the best they could get? Do you think it was wise of Corbyn to conflate the deaths of the men, women and children slaughtered in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatilla with those of Black September terrorists in Paris?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 24, 2022 9:09:26 GMT
An article about his visit, a group photo and (weirdly) a picture of his Ipad. Not quite sure what I'm looking at here? Anyway back to the subject in hand I see you failed to condemn Islamophobia in the Conservative Party as alleged in the current story but also previous ones as documented by the likes of Baroness Warsi. Michael Fabricant is doing the media circuit defending them today, an Islamophobe defending allegations of Islamophobia in his own party. Is he the best they could get? Do you think it was wise of Corbyn to conflate the deaths of the men, women and children slaughtered in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatilla with those of Black September terrorists in Paris? I think there’s several examples of Corby’s doing unwise things, that’s never ever being the issue for me. The issue has always been the ridiculous anti-semitism “crisis” manufactured by his opponents in the media and his own party to undermine him and a government they didn’t want on power. And I would stand by a politician from whatever party in the same position. Anyway back to the topic in hand happy to debate Corbyn on the Corbyn thread as always……..
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 24, 2022 9:36:57 GMT
Do you think it was wise of Corbyn to conflate the deaths of the men, women and children slaughtered in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatilla with those of Black September terrorists in Paris? I think there’s several examples of Corby’s doing unwise things, that’s never ever being the issue for me. The issue has always been the ridiculous anti-semitism “crisis” manufactured by his opponents in the media and his own party to undermine him and a government they didn’t want on power. And I would stand by a politician from whatever party in the same position. Anyway back to the topic in hand happy to debate Corbyn on the Corbyn thread as always…….. On this topic, I think the issues of Islamophobia are cheapened by the politicking of the subject. Same goes for anti-semitism in Labour. There are issues in both parties, but they are not at their heart anti-semitism or Islamophobia.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 24, 2022 9:50:35 GMT
I think there’s several examples of Corby’s doing unwise things, that’s never ever being the issue for me. The issue has always been the ridiculous anti-semitism “crisis” manufactured by his opponents in the media and his own party to undermine him and a government they didn’t want on power. And I would stand by a politician from whatever party in the same position. Anyway back to the topic in hand happy to debate Corbyn on the Corbyn thread as always…….. On this topic, I think the issues of Islamophobia are cheapened by the politicking of the subject. Same goes for anti-semitism in Labour. There are issues in both parties, but they are not at their heart anti-semitism or Islamophobia. They are issues in society as a whole, I agree with you. And if only the scale of the problems correlated to the scale of the coverage, we could truly begin to get to the root of all types of bigotry and consign them to history.......
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 24, 2022 12:19:35 GMT
Facts matter here in your beloved leaders own words he talks about attending wreath laying for black september terrorists including the wreath he laid himself but hey who hasnt accidentially found themselves in such a situation. An article about his visit, a group photo and (weirdly) a picture of his Ipad. Not quite sure what I'm looking at here? Anyway back to the subject in hand I see you failed to condemn Islamophobia in the Conservative Party as alleged in the current story but also previous ones as documented by the likes of Baroness Warsi. Michael Fabricant is doing the media circuit defending them today, an Islamophobe defending allegations of Islamophobia in his own party. Is he the best they could get? An article written by him that details his attendance at wreath laying ceremony for black september terrorists, a picture of the wreath he laid but then you knew that. Weird that you claim I fail to condemn when you actually quote me saying they should investigate, kick out people if found true and if they fail to deal with it they will be in the same hole as the Labour party, which is again what I said whenever you mention Warsi.
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