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Post by stokieoldboy on Nov 25, 2019 12:01:54 GMT
Do we stick or twist, has O'Neill seen enough of butterfingers, to banish him to the stands, if not, then butterfingers owe's us a man of the match performance against Cardiff,i really think O'neill SHOULD take him out of the firing line, he's become something of a joke now, and he will cost us much needed points, its now time, to have a look at Davies,if he's still with us, if not then Federici,who hasn't done anything wrong, to get dropped, and should still be our no 1 keeper.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 25, 2019 12:04:49 GMT
Do we stick or twist, has O'Neill seen enough of butterfingers, to banish him to the stands, if not, then butterfingers owe's us a man of the match performance against Cardiff,i really think O'neill SHOULD take him out of the firing line, he's become something of a joke now, and he will cost us much needed points, its now time, to have a look at Davies,if he's still with us, if not then Federici,who hasn't done anything wrong to get dropped. He might already have had a look at them and made his mind up. |
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Post by thebet365 on Nov 25, 2019 12:10:42 GMT
Stick with him, MON said himself, continuity is the key. Childish digs at the players won't help anyone.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 25, 2019 12:14:35 GMT
Butland will be in goal for the foreseeable future judging by O’Neill’s post match comments
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 25, 2019 12:19:58 GMT
He has to be dropped.
He's the biggest liablity in the league and has cost us so many points.
I can't quite believe anyone would want him to play bar the board to try and get him sold. But anyone watching would be mad to make a bid.
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Post by Robo10 on Nov 25, 2019 12:21:14 GMT
What a stupid pointless post.
Jack did OK on Saturday, from my seat in B20 he reacted to the ball over the top, came out and shouted for it, and Edwards got in his way and didn't deviate his run back
It just sums up Jackos luck that 1) Edwards got in the way, 2) if deflected off his arse and didn't go anywhere, and 3) it dollied up nicely to the attacker to bundle into the empty net.
Everything else that came his way was dealt with without any drama.
People cant wait to criticise!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 25, 2019 12:25:15 GMT
What a stupid pointless post. Jack did OK on Saturday, from my seat in B20 he reacted to the ball over the top, came out and shouted for it, and Edwards got in his way and didn't deviate his run back It just sums up Jackos luck that 1) Edwards got in the way, 2) if deflected off his arse and didn't go anywhere, and 3) it dollied up nicely to the attacker to bundle into the empty net. Everything else that came his way was dealt with without any drama. People cant wait to criticise! Yeah it's almost like he's been a calamity all season and was at fault for another goal. How dare we criticise the single biggest factor this season of us being where we are. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 25, 2019 12:29:17 GMT
He shouldn't be in the team.
He was at least partially at fault for the goal on Saturday and danmingly the defence seems to have considerably more confidence in Federici than they do in him.
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Post by Robo10 on Nov 25, 2019 12:30:17 GMT
I know this will be hard to take for you, and you might need to sit down for a minute, but occasionally you are wrong.
Not saying Jacks form has been brilliant, it hasn't, neither has the rest of the teams.
Federici gives me kittens - not sure he has gotten near to saving any of the goals he has conceded
Davies must have behind the scenes issues, that's just a bizarre situation
I've no issue with Jack being #1 at all.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 25, 2019 12:31:11 GMT
What a stupid pointless post. Jack did OK on Saturday, from my seat in B20 he reacted to the ball over the top, came out and shouted for it, and Edwards got in his way and didn't deviate his run back It just sums up Jackos luck that 1) Edwards got in the way, 2) if deflected off his arse and didn't go anywhere, and 3) it dollied up nicely to the attacker to bundle into the empty net. Everything else that came his way was dealt with without any drama. People cant wait to criticise! This is about the 7th or 8th goal we've given up he's had a massive role in. That's about 6 more than you'd expect from a keeper over a 46 game season never mind less than 20. QPR Charlton Preston x2 Nottingham Forest Barnsley Wigan He's played 9 games and made mistakes in 6! I've been one of his biggest advocates but right now I can't see how he deserves to start in all honesty. |
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 25, 2019 12:33:13 GMT
Even ignoring the catastrophic errors Butland’s been making this season, when was the last time he came off his line and dealt with a cross?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 25, 2019 12:37:56 GMT
I know this will be hard to take for you, and you might need to sit down for a minute, but occasionally you are wrong. Not saying Jacks form has been brilliant, it hasn't, neither has the rest of the teams. Federici gives me kittens - not sure he has gotten near to saving any of the goals he has conceded Davies must have behind the scenes issues, that's just a bizarre situation I've no issue with Jack being #1 at all. Federici isn't great but he's been way better than Butland and as Rob says the defence clearly have far more confidence in him than Butland. If anyone watched Davies' highlights reel they will realise why he isn't playing. He looks awful. Butland has been an issue since the PL relegation and should have been one of the first sold. He imo clearly doesn't want to be here and a change will be best for both parties. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 25, 2019 12:38:59 GMT
I know this will be hard to take for you, and you might need to sit down for a minute, but occasionally you are wrong. Not saying Jacks form has been brilliant, it hasn't, neither has the rest of the teams. Federici gives me kittens - not sure he has gotten near to saving any of the goals he has conceded Davies must have behind the scenes issues, that's just a bizarre situation I've no issue with Jack being #1 at all. Kittens or not, how many actual mistakes leading to goals has he made during his starts? How many has Jack made? |
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Nov 25, 2019 12:40:29 GMT
Even ignoring the catastrophic errors Butland’s been making this season, when was the last time he came off his line and dealt with a cross? To be fair to him, Saturday. I only remember because of what happened at Forest and shit myself when I saw him going for it lol! |
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Nov 25, 2019 12:44:48 GMT
I know this will be hard to take for you, and you might need to sit down for a minute, but occasionally you are wrong. Not saying Jacks form has been brilliant, it hasn't, neither has the rest of the teams. Federici gives me kittens - not sure he has gotten near to saving any of the goals he has conceded Davies must have behind the scenes issues, that's just a bizarre situation I've no issue with Jack being #1 at all. Kittens or not, how many actual mistakes leading to goals has he made during his starts? How many has Jack made? I actually become more nervous with Jack being in goal to be honest. Fed isn't the quite the disaster your making him out to be. I'm not particularly happy about him coming back into the squad, but MON has made his decision and it doesn't look like it will change any time soon. You do need continuity and it's about time we started to have a regular defence, including the goal keeper. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 25, 2019 12:45:50 GMT
Kittens or not, how many actual mistakes leading to goals has he made during his starts? How many has Jack made? I actually become more nervous with Jack being in goal to be honest. Fed isn't the quite the disaster your making him out to be. I'm not particularly happy about him coming back into the squad, but MON has made his decision and it doesn't look like it will change any time soon. You do need continuity and it's about time we started to have a regular defence, including the goal keeper. It is but the shakiest bits on Saturday were Butland and the centre backs. They all looked awful |
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Post by Goonie on Nov 25, 2019 12:46:01 GMT
On form Butland needs dropping
Is he getting game time to build confidence and improve performances so he's attractive in the window?
Needs huge amount of confidence rehabilitation
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 25, 2019 12:48:44 GMT
Kittens or not, how many actual mistakes leading to goals has he made during his starts? How many has Jack made? I actually become more nervous with Jack being in goal to be honest. Fed isn't the quite the disaster your making him out to be. I'm not particularly happy about him coming back into the squad, but MON has made his decision and it doesn't look like it will change any time soon. You do need continuity and it's about time we started to have a regular defence, including the goal keeper. I'm not making Federici out to be a disaster. I want him to start instead of Butland. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 25, 2019 12:48:52 GMT
I don't get the blame for Edwards, he clearly was trying to hold off the player so that Jack could clear but that understanding was not there which is why players need to play together regularly. To me Edwards, expected Jack to clear but Jack hesitated not expecting Edwards to boot it out. No idea who was at fault but surely the answer is to talk about how the same situation doesn't happen again. I would say that if the gk can get it he should yell and make sure he gets there not hesitate like Jack did. No change for me though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 12:53:36 GMT
Someone should make a montage of Butland's errors this season,put it on YouTube and post a link to the manager 😁
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Nov 25, 2019 12:53:46 GMT
I actually become more nervous with Jack being in goal to be honest. Fed isn't the quite the disaster your making him out to be. I'm not particularly happy about him coming back into the squad, but MON has made his decision and it doesn't look like it will change any time soon. You do need continuity and it's about time we started to have a regular defence, including the goal keeper. I'm not making Federici out to be a disaster. I want him to start instead of Butland. I was adding to your reply to Robo where he referred to Fed giving him kittens. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 25, 2019 12:56:54 GMT
He shouldn't be in the team. He was at least partially at fault for the goal on Saturday and danmingly the defence seems to have considerably more confidence in Federici than they do in him. Didn't look that way at Millwall or Crawley to be honest. Maybe you are seeing something different. It's only a warm up, but my little one watches it everyweek and the other 2 are nowhere near Butlands level even with Jack being way way below his best and clearly struggling with some kind of confidence/mental crisis. Hopefully O'Neil will use his experience and make a judgement accordingly be that taking Jack out of the team again or judging that playing is the only way he'll recover his form. Personally, I'd play him again because he's the best we have, in form or out of form. |
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 25, 2019 12:59:13 GMT
Kittens or not, how many actual mistakes leading to goals has he made during his starts? How many has Jack made? I actually become more nervous with Jack being in goal to be honest. Fed isn't the quite the disaster your making him out to be. I'm not particularly happy about him coming back into the squad, but MON has made his decision and it doesn't look like it will change any time soon. You do need continuity and it's about time we started to have a regular defence, including the goal keeper. It was Jones that made the decision to bring Jack back. If he hadn’t done that I think we’d have seen Fed in nets these last two games. Why don’t you think MON will change his mind? He’s had three days with them and understandably carried on with the same (recent England international) goalie that started the most recent games. If MON is worth his salt then he’ll soon see Jack isn’t up to the task at the moment. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 13:00:24 GMT
I actually become more nervous with Jack being in goal to be honest. Fed isn't the quite the disaster your making him out to be. I'm not particularly happy about him coming back into the squad, but MON has made his decision and it doesn't look like it will change any time soon. You do need continuity and it's about time we started to have a regular defence, including the goal keeper. It was Jones that made the decision to bring Jack back. If he hadn’t done that I think we’d have seen Fed in nets these last two games. Why don’t you think MON will change his mind? He’s had three days with them and understandably carried on with the same (recent England international) goalie that started the most recent games. If MON is worth his salt then he’ll soon see Jack isn’t up to the task at the moment. It was actually Rory who reinstated Butland |
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Nov 25, 2019 13:01:57 GMT
Do we stick or twist, has O'Neill seen enough of butterfingers, to banish him to the stands, if not, then butterfingers owe's us a man of the match performance against Cardiff,i really think O'neill SHOULD take him out of the firing line, he's become something of a joke now, and he will cost us much needed points, its now time, to have a look at Davies,if he's still with us, if not then Federici,who hasn't done anything wrong, to get dropped, and should still be our no 1 keeper. There are some wider issues surrounding JB I think. Firstly, a lot of people felt puzzled as to why he was brought straight back in when Federice hadn't really done anything wrong. I can only assume it was a "get him in the shop window for January" decision. Jack is going one way or another - it's just a case of what the asking price will be. With west Ham in need of a keeper, there's some mileage in that rumour - but they'll get him for a steal if he doesn't improve some of the confidence-sapping performances. The more important issue is how it seems both our No. 1 goalie and our well-regarded goalkeeping coach have lost their mojo at the same time. Jack's clearly suffering from a dip in performance/confidence and you'd expect that someone like Andy Quy would be able to pull him out of this, but something isn't right somewhere. And then there's the Adam Davies issue....  |
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Post by thebet365 on Nov 25, 2019 13:02:03 GMT
I actually become more nervous with Jack being in goal to be honest. Fed isn't the quite the disaster your making him out to be. I'm not particularly happy about him coming back into the squad, but MON has made his decision and it doesn't look like it will change any time soon. You do need continuity and it's about time we started to have a regular defence, including the goal keeper. It was Jones that made the decision to bring Jack back. If he hadn’t done that I think we’d have seen Fed in nets these last two games. Why don’t you think MON will change his mind? He’s had three days with them and understandably carried on with the same (recent England international) goalie that started the most recent games. If MON is worth his salt then he’ll soon see Jack isn’t up to the task at the moment. He'd been dropped under Jones, Delap recalled him against WBA. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 25, 2019 13:03:42 GMT
He shouldn't be in the team. He was at least partially at fault for the goal on Saturday and danmingly the defence seems to have considerably more confidence in Federici than they do in him. Didn't look that way at Millwall or Crawley to be honest. Maybe you are seeing something different. It's only a warm up, but my little one watches it everyweek and the other 2 are nowhere near Butlands level even with Jack being way way below his best and clearly struggling with some kind of confidence/mental crisis. Hopefully O'Neil will use his experience and make a judgement accordingly be that taking Jack out of the team again or judging that playing is the only way he'll recover his form. Personally, I'd play him again because he's the best we have, in form or out of form. Good try mate but you won't stop the feeding frenzy. |
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 25, 2019 13:04:38 GMT
It was Jones that made the decision to bring Jack back. If he hadn’t done that I think we’d have seen Fed in nets these last two games. Why don’t you think MON will change his mind? He’s had three days with them and understandably carried on with the same (recent England international) goalie that started the most recent games. If MON is worth his salt then he’ll soon see Jack isn’t up to the task at the moment. He'd been dropped under Jones, Delap recalled him against WBA. Sorry, course it was. I was thinking of the previous time he was dropped (and reinstated for no good reason). Point still stands though. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 25, 2019 13:07:00 GMT
He shouldn't be in the team. He was at least partially at fault for the goal on Saturday and danmingly the defence seems to have considerably more confidence in Federici than they do in him. Didn't look that way at Millwall or Crawley to be honest. Maybe you are seeing something different. It's only a warm up, but my little one watches it everyweek and the other 2 are nowhere near Butlands level even with Jack being way way below his best and clearly struggling with some kind of confidence/mental crisis. Hopefully O'Neil will use his experience and make a judgement accordingly be that taking Jack out of the team again or judging that playing is the only way he'll recover his form. Personally, I'd play him again because he's the best we have, in form or out of form. The performances haven't reflected that though have they Dave? How many more bollocks have to be dropped? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 25, 2019 13:07:01 GMT
Didn't look that way at Millwall or Crawley to be honest. Maybe you are seeing something different. It's only a warm up, but my little one watches it everyweek and the other 2 are nowhere near Butlands level even with Jack being way way below his best and clearly struggling with some kind of confidence/mental crisis. Hopefully O'Neil will use his experience and make a judgement accordingly be that taking Jack out of the team again or judging that playing is the only way he'll recover his form. Personally, I'd play him again because he's the best we have, in form or out of form. Good try mate but you won't stop the feeding frenzy. What he does in training before a game is massively irrelevant if he's costing us goals where it matters. |
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