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Post by felonious on Oct 14, 2022 7:21:31 GMT
It's an inevitable no brainer even for those with no brains. The Royal Mail are in competition with other providers of their services. A company is making losses estimated at £350million this year and it's major expense is it's wage bill. It's recently had to slash 25% off it's small parcel services just to compete and it's still more expensive than the competition who are reliable.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Oct 14, 2022 7:22:37 GMT
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Post by thewonderstuff on Oct 14, 2022 7:23:52 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 14, 2022 7:37:35 GMT
It's an inevitable no brainer even for those with no brains. The Royal Mail are in competition with other providers of their services. A company is making losses estimated at £350million this year and it's major expense is it's wage bill. It's recently had to slash 25% off it's small parcel services just to compete and it's still more expensive than the competition who are reliable. They probably should have saved the £400m they gave away for a rainy day then…….
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Post by henry on Oct 14, 2022 7:50:50 GMT
Terrible news.
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Post by felonious on Oct 14, 2022 8:08:19 GMT
It's an inevitable no brainer even for those with no brains. The Royal Mail are in competition with other providers of their services. A company is making losses estimated at £350million this year and it's major expense is it's wage bill. It's recently had to slash 25% off it's small parcel services just to compete and it's still more expensive than the competition who are reliable. They probably should have saved the £400m they gave away for a rainy day then……. Oh I agree but even £400M isn't going to put off the inevitable they haven't paid the last two dividends and the share price is crashing fuelled by losses and of course the unions industrial action......
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Post by knype on Oct 14, 2022 8:17:12 GMT
Not at all. They chose to strike and will now lose their jobs. Yep, totally agree, that is the risk you take with strikes.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Oct 14, 2022 8:18:08 GMT
Its old fashioned 70s strike breaking, bullying and intimidation tactics from an inept and greedy management.
It's a battle the Unions must win for everyone's sake.
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Post by Davef on Oct 14, 2022 9:10:08 GMT
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 14, 2022 9:37:27 GMT
Not at all. They chose to strike and will now lose their jobs. Yep, totally agree, that is the risk you take with strikes. I think this will set a president for most other industries, where staff are easily replaceable. It has well and truly bitten them on the arse, which is very sad. I don't believe that striking is the way to go, as there are millions of staff who are underpaid and have poor working conditions in the UK.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 14, 2022 9:50:16 GMT
Yep, totally agree, that is the risk you take with strikes. I think this will set a president for most other industries, where staff are easily replaceable. It has well and truly bitten them on the arse, which is very sad. I don't believe that striking is the way to go, as there are millions of staff who are underpaid and have poor working conditions in the UK. So just accept being in a job with low pay and poor working conditions? Striking workforces the world over have given us some of the conditions we all take for granted these days. You say staff are easily replaceable, the amount of unfilled jobs in the UK at the moment suggest otherwise........
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 14, 2022 10:00:57 GMT
I think this will set a president for most other industries, where staff are easily replaceable. It has well and truly bitten them on the arse, which is very sad. I don't believe that striking is the way to go, as there are millions of staff who are underpaid and have poor working conditions in the UK. So just accept being in a job with low pay and poor working conditions? Striking workforces the world over have given us some of the conditions we all take for granted these days. You say staff are easily replaceable, the amount of unfilled jobs in the UK at the moment suggest otherwise........ I have vast experience of working in the care sector, which is renowned for being underpaid. Personally,I would move jobs if I was being treated unfairly. I feel that strikes are counter productive and ultimately (in this case) has cost people their jobs, which is very sad.
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Post by wannabee on Oct 14, 2022 10:03:33 GMT
Yep, totally agree, that is the risk you take with strikes. I think this will set a president for most other industries, where staff are easily replaceable. It has well and truly bitten them on the arse, which is very sad. I don't believe that striking is the way to go, as there are millions of staff who are underpaid and have poor working conditions in the UK. So what you are saying is that they should just "such it up" and "get on with it" as there are millions of workers in UK in Crap Jobs with Lousy Pay and Conditions. Interesting view.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 14, 2022 10:08:48 GMT
I think this will set a president for most other industries, where staff are easily replaceable. It has well and truly bitten them on the arse, which is very sad. I don't believe that striking is the way to go, as there are millions of staff who are underpaid and have poor working conditions in the UK. So what you are saying is that they should just "such it up" and "get on with it" as there are millions of workers in UK in Crap Jobs with Lousy Pay and Conditions. Interesting view. Not exactly. I just don't agree with striking and would look for another job if I wasn't happy. Imagine the state we would be in if everyone who was underpaid chose to strike. Winter of discontent all over again, which would not be a good situation.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 14, 2022 10:09:15 GMT
So just accept being in a job with low pay and poor working conditions? Striking workforces the world over have given us some of the conditions we all take for granted these days. You say staff are easily replaceable, the amount of unfilled jobs in the UK at the moment suggest otherwise........ I have vast experience of working in the care sector, which is renowned for being underpaid. Personally,I would move jobs if I was being treated unfairly. I feel that strikes are counter productive and ultimately (in this case) has cost people their jobs, which is very sad. So you'd know about striking Sodexo workers being given a pay increase in line with their NHS counterparts, about mobile care workers in Haringey striking for pay whilst travelling between home visits and being successful, cleaners and porters getting a 24% pay increase recently in Croydon and the dozens of other examples. All with the help of their unions...........
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 14, 2022 10:10:53 GMT
So what you are saying is that they should just "such it up" and "get on with it" as there are millions of workers in UK in Crap Jobs with Lousy Pay and Conditions. Interesting view. Not exactly. I just don't agree with striking and would look for another job if I wasn't happy. Imagine the state we would be in if everyone who was underpaid chose to strike. Winter of discontent all over again, which would not be a good situation. I wouldn't be against a mass mobilisation of working class people, particularly those criminally underpaid. They were heroes during Covid, now just an afterthought again now most people's lives are back to normal........
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 14, 2022 10:11:43 GMT
I have vast experience of working in the care sector, which is renowned for being underpaid. Personally,I would move jobs if I was being treated unfairly. I feel that strikes are counter productive and ultimately (in this case) has cost people their jobs, which is very sad. So you'd know about striking Sodexo workers being given a pay increase in line with their NHS counterparts, about mobile care workers in Haringey striking for pay whilst travelling between home visits and being successful, cleaners and porters getting a 24% pay increase recently in Croydon and the dozens of other examples. All with the help of their unions........... I didn't know to be honest mate. It obviously works in some situations but unfortunately not in this case.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 14, 2022 10:14:58 GMT
Not exactly. I just don't agree with striking and would look for another job if I wasn't happy. Imagine the state we would be in if everyone who was underpaid chose to strike. Winter of discontent all over again, which would not be a good situation. I wouldn't be against a mass mobilisation of working class people, particularly those criminally underpaid. They were heroes during Covid, now just an afterthought again now most people's lives are back to normal........ I know and I formed part of that group. The country would fall on its arse (in my opinion)if there were mass strikes across different sectors.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 14, 2022 10:16:27 GMT
So you'd know about striking Sodexo workers being given a pay increase in line with their NHS counterparts, about mobile care workers in Haringey striking for pay whilst travelling between home visits and being successful, cleaners and porters getting a 24% pay increase recently in Croydon and the dozens of other examples. All with the help of their unions........... I didn't know to be honest mate. It obviously works in some situations but unfortunately not in this case. The Royal Mail employees would have been at risk of this happening whether they went on strike or not. Don't fall for the bullshit from the Royal Mail hierarchy........
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Oct 14, 2022 10:22:50 GMT
I didn't know to be honest mate. It obviously works in some situations but unfortunately not in this case. The Royal Mail employees would have been at risk of this happening whether they went on strike or not. Don't fall for the bullshit from the Royal Mail hierarchy........ I tend to agree. There's obviously lots of competition in the delivery service, so I guess it was inevitable that people could lose their jobs. Many people may view that the job losses are a consequence of strike action. Very sad indeed
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Post by thewonderstuff on Oct 14, 2022 10:31:48 GMT
I didn't know to be honest mate. It obviously works in some situations but unfortunately not in this case. The Royal Mail employees would have been at risk of this happening whether they went on strike or not. Don't fall for the bullshit from the Royal Mail hierarchy........ Yep, it was the threat of this and the incompetent (not to say malevolent) hierarchy turning the Royal Mail into a gig workforce which was a primary motivation in the strike. It is never just about pay.
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Post by wannabee on Oct 14, 2022 10:59:41 GMT
This is just another example of Idealogy gone mad to sell off Public Natural Monopolies like Water, Energy and Rail
This particular act of vandalism was aided and abetted indeed spearheaded by Vince Cable (sorry Oggy)
The 500 year old Royal Mail was flogged off for £3.3B and immediately on floatation was worth over £5B on stock market, nice work for the investors.
In addition it has paid out over £1B in Dividends
The original CEO Moya Greene earned over £1.5M a year in Pay and Bonuses her successor and current CEO Thopson got a pay rise!
The average salary today for workers at Royal Mail is £20,477 per year
In the 7 years since Privatisation they have tried to half Pension Rights and force Sunday working without compensation
The current pay offer to employees is 2% and a further 3.5% if you work on a Sunday
They are now trying to use their Bullyboy Tactics to intimidate workers who voted 98.7% in favour of Strike Action on a 72.2% turnout
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Post by werrington on Oct 14, 2022 11:46:23 GMT
Its old fashioned 70s strike breaking, bullying and intimidation tactics from an inept and greedy management. It's a battle the Unions must win for everyone's sake. The pound is through the floor, the BOE has had to step in to save the economy, mortgage rates are through the roof along with energy bills, the working man has had to take pay culls whilst the cunts all self indulge themselves with profits, a budget for the rich and the chancellor of the exchequer about to be sacked after TWO WEEKS in post and that’s before we even discuss the covid piss take out of every single one of us A cold winter will see Britain’s streets resembling a battle ground as the people are starting to turn I sort of hope that’s the case as this shit can’t go on
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Post by werrington on Oct 14, 2022 12:10:36 GMT
Not at all. They chose to strike and will now lose their jobs. Yep, totally agree, that is the risk you take with strikes. Seriously mate cmon eh One of the main reasons they are on strike is because of the threat of redundancy It’s mindblowing that people turn on their own and they are laughing at you knype lad
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 14:57:51 GMT
The Royal Mail employees would have been at risk of this happening whether they went on strike or not. Don't fall for the bullshit from the Royal Mail hierarchy........ I tend to agree. There's obviously lots of competition in the delivery service, so I guess it was inevitable that people could lose their jobs. Many people may view that the job losses are a consequence of strike action. Very sad indeed Also paperless bills etc don't help. The postal service as far as delivering letters is concerned becoming less and less of a necessity
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Post by knype on Oct 14, 2022 15:24:30 GMT
Yep, totally agree, that is the risk you take with strikes. Seriously mate cmon eh One of the main reasons they are on strike is because of the threat of redundancy It’s mindblowing that people turn on their own and they are laughing at you knype lad People turn on their own? Laughing at me?
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Post by knype on Oct 14, 2022 15:25:13 GMT
Not exactly. I just don't agree with striking and would look for another job if I wasn't happy. Imagine the state we would be in if everyone who was underpaid chose to strike. Winter of discontent all over again, which would not be a good situation. I wouldn't be against a mass mobilisation of working class people, particularly those criminally underpaid. They were heroes during Covid, now just an afterthought again now most people's lives are back to normal........ Heroes to who?
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Post by thewonderstuff on Oct 14, 2022 20:56:19 GMT
To be fair, when a company is losing money, everyone has to tighten their belts don't they?
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Post by franklin on Oct 15, 2022 7:58:03 GMT
It's great not to get paper spam for a few days keep striking for me.
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Post by felonious on Nov 17, 2022 13:01:13 GMT
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