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Post by wuzza on Nov 13, 2019 23:44:34 GMT
Alan Hudson- still the best player I have ever seen play live. the only outfield players I would put above Hudson that I have seen in the flesh are Maradona, Beckenbauer, Cruyff, Pele and George Best. As good as any British player I have seen. My other favourites being Charlton, Dalglish, Keegan and Hoddle. That’s a great summary - the only ones I would add in their own ways were Greaves and Bryan Robson.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 0:44:27 GMT
the only outfield players I would put above Hudson that I have seen in the flesh are Maradona, Beckenbauer, Cruyff, Pele and George Best. As good as any British player I have seen. My other favourites being Charlton, Dalglish, Keegan and Hoddle. That’s a great summary - the only ones I would add in their own ways were Greaves and Bryan Robson. Well we are a bunch of old men now and our eyes remember what we saw.
But some younger fans on here compare Hudson to Nzonzi, Huth to Smith ... blah blah.
It is the nature of the game. For myself Hudson, Greenhoff, Smith,Pej .... really were the best. No way on this earth was Zonz even comparable to Huddy.
As much as Fuller can be praised ..... come on .... really? He would never have got off the bench.
That is the nature of the game. My late FIL never stopped rattling on about his heros - Franklin, Stan, Soo ......
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 14, 2019 1:12:58 GMT
That’s a great summary - the only ones I would add in their own ways were Greaves and Bryan Robson. Well we are a bunch of old men now and our eyes remember what we saw.
But some younger fans on here compare Hudson to Nzonzi, Huth to Smith ... blah blah.
It is the nature of the game. For myself Hudson, Greenhoff, Smith,Pej .... really were the best. No way on this earth was Zonz even comparable to Huddy.
As much as Fuller can be praised ..... come on .... really? He would never have got off the bench.
That is the nature of the game. My late FIL never stopped rattling on about his heros - Franklin, Stan, Soo ......
It’s almost like people are biased towards the heroes of their own heyday.... 😉
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 1:58:48 GMT
Well we are a bunch of old men now and our eyes remember what we saw.
But some younger fans on here compare Hudson to Nzonzi, Huth to Smith ... blah blah.
It is the nature of the game. For myself Hudson, Greenhoff, Smith,Pej .... really were the best. No way on this earth was Zonz even comparable to Huddy.
As much as Fuller can be praised ..... come on .... really? He would never have got off the bench.
That is the nature of the game. My late FIL never stopped rattling on about his heros - Franklin, Stan, Soo ......
It’s almost like people are biased towards the heroes of their own heyday.... 😉 It is.
Amazing isn't it.
But Zonz could never hold a candle to Huddy!
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 14, 2019 2:09:58 GMT
It’s almost like people are biased towards the heroes of their own heyday.... 😉 It is.
Amazing isn't it.
But Zonz could never hold a candle to Huddy!
Maybe not. But Bojan could. 🙂
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 2:38:05 GMT
It is.
Amazing isn't it.
But Zonz could never hold a candle to Huddy!
Maybe not. But Bojan could. 🙂 Bojan was the best player that I saw in the red and white - since Huddy & Co.
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Post by werrington on Nov 14, 2019 6:56:13 GMT
That’s a great summary - the only ones I would add in their own ways were Greaves and Bryan Robson. Well we are a bunch of old men now and our eyes remember what we saw.
But some younger fans on here compare Hudson to Nzonzi, Huth to Smith ... blah blah. It is the nature of the game. For myself Hudson, Greenhoff, Smith,Pej .... really were the best. No way on this earth was Zonz even comparable to Huddy. As much as Fuller can be praised ..... come on .... really? He would never have got off the bench. That is the nature of the game. My late FIL never stopped rattling on about his heros - Franklin, Stan, Soo ......
Fuller would waltz into any side that compares to greenhoff and Hudson mate It’s because he’s recent, in 10/20 years time he’ll be spoken of in the same breath
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Post by ursemboys on Nov 14, 2019 7:35:52 GMT
Grew up in Penkhull if I remember as they lived in princes road by the old A&E. Didn't his mum later date Lee Sandford for quite a while? I saw a confrontation between Sandford and Hudson outside their house in Princess Road, Police carted sandford off (he was knocking Maureen off on the quite).
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 14, 2019 12:02:51 GMT
the only outfield players I would put above Hudson that I have seen in the flesh are Maradona, Beckenbauer, Cruyff, Pele and George Best. As good as any British player I have seen. My other favourites being Charlton, Dalglish, Keegan and Hoddle. That’s a great summary - the only ones I would add in their own ways were Greaves and Bryan Robson. Greaves would probably be in there, but unfortunately and strangely I never saw him play (at his peak) only at the very backend of his career for WHU. Incredible player though. Robson is a good call as would be Keane I reckon, but we (or I) tend to overlook the ones who do the graft as well in these scenarios. The thing is about Hudson, is that he mostly played in a 2 man midfield with John Mahoney. We usually had Robertson and Salmons playing wide. I think its overlooked that he was good at closing players down and tackling too when needed, though massive credit to Mahoney who did a great bulk of the donkey work. I get the rose tinted glasses bit, but these players were incredible when you consider the lack of protection they got from refs, the kind of tackling they had to endure (Harris, Storey, Bremner etc) the pitches they played on, even the weight of the ball in some cases. Hard to compare with players today who have a very easy ride by comparison.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Nov 14, 2019 12:05:33 GMT
Well we are a bunch of old men now and our eyes remember what we saw.
But some younger fans on here compare Hudson to Nzonzi, Huth to Smith ... blah blah. It is the nature of the game. For myself Hudson, Greenhoff, Smith,Pej .... really were the best. No way on this earth was Zonz even comparable to Huddy. As much as Fuller can be praised ..... come on .... really? He would never have got off the bench. That is the nature of the game. My late FIL never stopped rattling on about his heros - Franklin, Stan, Soo ......
Fuller would waltz into any side that compares to greenhoff and Hudson mate It’s because he’s recent, in 10/20 years time he’ll be spoken of in the same breath I watched the seventies teams as a kid, so no real objectivity, they were all Gods! While Jimmy Greenhoff was my hero (and most kids I knew), Huddy made the game look easy. Always seem to have time and space and so cool. I also agree that Ricardo Fuller is the best player I've seen at Stoke since those days. Bojan was talented but fleeting, N'Zonzi got better and better - his performance against Liverpool was a midfield masterclass. Marko and Shaq were the kind of players I never thought I would see in a Stoke shirt, but Ric became my new Jimmy! Still think he was under rated. So much natural ability - strength, pace, ball control - he was a threat from anywhere on the pitch. Great finisher and I didn't realise how good in the air he was until we got to the Prem. A genuine football maverick. Sometimes those that tell me how terrible Pulis's football was make me smile - ironicly he gave us the Great Entertainer. The other modern day player in that bracket is Ryan Shawcross, already a Stoke City legend regardless of what ever else he achieves.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 14, 2019 12:20:35 GMT
Still think he was under rated. So much natural ability - strength, pace, ball control - he was a threat from anywhere on the pitch. Great finisher and I didn't realise how good in the air he was until we got to the Prem. A genuine football maverick. Sometimes those that tell me how terrible Pulis's football was make me smile - ironicly he gave us the Great Entertainer. Fuller was the reason people tolerated the football for so long. Once Ric was out of the team the writing was on the wall.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Nov 14, 2019 12:29:55 GMT
Still think he was under rated. So much natural ability - strength, pace, ball control - he was a threat from anywhere on the pitch. Great finisher and I didn't realise how good in the air he was until we got to the Prem. A genuine football maverick. Sometimes those that tell me how terrible Pulis's football was make me smile - ironicly he gave us the Great Entertainer. Fuller was the reason people tolerated the football for so long. Once Ric was out of the team the writing was on the wall. That may well be true, but it shouldn't take anything away from Ricardo. He was a hell of a player.
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Post by wuzza on Nov 14, 2019 13:02:57 GMT
That’s a great summary - the only ones I would add in their own ways were Greaves and Bryan Robson. Greaves would probably be in there, but unfortunately and strangely I never saw him play (at his peak) only at the very backend of his career for WHU. Incredible player though. Robson is a good call as would be Keane I reckon, but we (or I) tend to overlook the ones who do the graft as well in these scenarios. The thing is about Hudson, is that he mostly played in a 2 man midfield with John Mahoney. We usually had Robertson and Salmons playing wide. I think its overlooked that he was good at closing players down and tackling too when needed, though massive credit to Mahoney who did a great bulk of the donkey work. I get the rose tinted glasses bit, but these players were incredible when you consider the lack of protection they got from refs, the kind of tackling they had to endure (Harris, Storey, Bremner etc) the pitches they played on, even the weight of the ball in some cases. Hard to compare with players today who have a very easy ride by comparison. I agree entirely - I sometimes wonder if the talents I watched as a youngster (all those you list plus the likes of Currie, Marsh, Worthington , Bowles etc) played under today’s conditions what heights they would hit. There again the character of some of those players combined with today’s astronomic wages could have produced some rather self destructive results 😏
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Nov 14, 2019 13:47:37 GMT
Greaves would probably be in there, but unfortunately and strangely I never saw him play (at his peak) only at the very backend of his career for WHU. Incredible player though. Robson is a good call as would be Keane I reckon, but we (or I) tend to overlook the ones who do the graft as well in these scenarios. The thing is about Hudson, is that he mostly played in a 2 man midfield with John Mahoney. We usually had Robertson and Salmons playing wide. I think its overlooked that he was good at closing players down and tackling too when needed, though massive credit to Mahoney who did a great bulk of the donkey work. I get the rose tinted glasses bit, but these players were incredible when you consider the lack of protection they got from refs, the kind of tackling they had to endure (Harris, Storey, Bremner etc) the pitches they played on, even the weight of the ball in some cases. Hard to compare with players today who have a very easy ride by comparison. I agree entirely - I sometimes wonder if the talents I watched as a youngster (all those you list plus the likes of Currie, Marsh, Worthington , Bowles etc) played under today’s conditions what heights they would hit. There again the character of some of those players combined with today’s astronomic wages could have produced some rather self destructive results 😏 The game seems all about professionalism and athleticism now. You do wonder if despite their massive talent, those players would be less effective in today's game. If I think of the few modern players who relied on talent rather than running, they were, well, misunderstood? Le Tiz, Cantona, Ginola, maybe Gazza springs to mind. Even our own Charlie Adam, (though not in the same category) has been hammered on here for his fitness. Despite his wild lifestyle, Hudson was apparently a good trainer and super fit. These days, when extreme talent and professionalism combine you get a world class player like Ronaldo, Denis Bergkamp or Paul Scholes.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 14, 2019 15:42:30 GMT
Fuller was the reason people tolerated the football for so long. Once Ric was out of the team the writing was on the wall. That may well be true, but it shouldn't take anything away from Ricardo. He was a hell of a player. Of course
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 17:33:34 GMT
Nice one Jermaine. Nice to see someone with a sense of humour. There are some manure players I like, Bobby Charlton being another, but the club itself. No thank you! I'll add a laugh out loud as well. Lol.
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Post by hudsondays on Nov 15, 2019 22:55:56 GMT
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Post by lifelong on Nov 16, 2019 7:12:38 GMT
Hudson is certainly the best I've watched, fantastic athlete and the only player I've seen who could manipulate 20 players. After taking the ball from the goal keeper he would lend the ball to another team mate and move into the space working his way up the pitch in the same vane. I think Cruyf and Zidane are the only ones I've seen do something similar.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Nov 16, 2019 9:11:05 GMT
Thinking back , what I found incredible about Hudson was that regardless of the state of the pitch (and there was a lot of variation in those days), he always put the right "weight" on a pass , the receiving player barely had to break stride. To this day I have never seen anyone better in this aspect.
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Post by Gods on Nov 16, 2019 9:58:54 GMT
Did Maureen Hudson have a dance studio in Newcastle near the Old Brown Jug and next door to the legendary dingy music venue in what looked like a breeze block Nissan hut The Bridge Street Arts Centre?
Who remembers that place back in the day, some riotous nights often when post punk combo Tarzan's Milkman were there!!
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