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Post by Danstoke82 on Nov 5, 2019 8:29:41 GMT
The only person in the boardroom who has and the driving force behind £190m of investment , he’s as gutted as you and me , his heirs Hevesy destroyed his legacy and second love , he just needs to take control back abs follow his instincts and find new heirs in the key roles Understand your frustration but these are the comments that lead his daughter to say i honestly dont know why we bother If he cares then why doesnt he step in and save his "beloved" club then? This isnt a dig at you but im totally fed up with all this "he loves this club" stuff when I still havent forgiven him for the "Whats all the fuss??" comment. Its clear its falling apart and its heartbreaking after all the good work Coates put back in to get this club into the Premier League. Why cant he stand up and save it if it means so much too him because currently, his son is fucking shit up alongside that criminal Scholes. I respect Coates Snr for the memories he has given us but if he truly wants to save this club then he needs to step back in because the dynamic (or diabolical) duo of Coates Jnr and Teflon Tony Scholes are destroying the Coates-Stoke City legacy as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Nov 5, 2019 8:44:16 GMT
Nice guy, but his or his heir's decisions have destroyed the club. Leaving only memories, and it's hard to remember glowingly a cup final when we will be playing welling in the same competition next season.
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Post by miggoscfc on Nov 5, 2019 8:51:46 GMT
We have the most expensively assembled squad in the Championship. Every manager has been given money to spend. And yet some people are blaming The Coates family for our predicament? No wonder Denise wants nothing to do with Stoke. Some Stoke 'fans' are so fucking dense that light bends around them. What is the point at throwing 50M at the likes of Gary Rowett? If you have that level of finance available then put it to a proper manager who has achieved something in the game. Spending money badly isn't something to celebrate. They're called directors for a reason. Ironic you mention Denise. She hasn't built up Bet365 from a car park in Longton by being as sloppy as her father and brother have at running our club. Gary Rowett clearly wasnt a bad manager was he ? Yes perhaps he should of done a little better but I will remind you we were 9th when he left, fucking 9th and had just gone 14 games unbeaten. That takes some doung in this league especially with this group of fuckwits that we have playing now he certainly got something out of them. If he kept his mouth shut we would have been competing for a play off spot this year and history has proved him correct. We (myself included) decided to back a player who depite his fan favourite position had shown nothing in the previous 3 years to suggest he could make a difference and now he is playing in the place good footballers go to die or amateurs play way above the level they should be. Had there not been an obsession with Bojan at this club we may not be headed to L1 right now. I get that its a little if my aunty had bollocks kind of stuff but can you really say we would be bottom and in the brown stuff if Rowett was still here ?
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Post by shipshape on Nov 5, 2019 8:56:16 GMT
It's the 21st century, well into it in fact. Yet we're run in the old fashioned local businessman and his son way. Football has changed so much. The owners need to take a back seat and recruit people, who know the modern game, to run their club. It clearly isn't working, and yes managers are somewhat to blame. But ultimately the recruiters, retainers and financers of them are responsible.
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Post by questionable on Nov 5, 2019 8:59:39 GMT
Yes that’s going to work by taking back the club, imagine them at dinner sitting around the table and John complaining to his mum that dads confiscated his toy..
Don’t they all live together ala the Waltons?? Which in itself is very weird
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Post by gogogadget on Nov 5, 2019 9:31:00 GMT
Yes that’s going to work by taking back the club, imagine them at dinner sitting around the table and John complaining to his mum that dads confiscated his toy.. Don’t they all live together ala the Waltons?? Which in itself is very weird Night night Jon boy 🤦♂️
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Post by thebet365 on Nov 5, 2019 9:33:45 GMT
What is the point at throwing 50M at the likes of Gary Rowett? If you have that level of finance available then put it to a proper manager who has achieved something in the game. Spending money badly isn't something to celebrate. They're called directors for a reason. Ironic you mention Denise. She hasn't built up Bet365 from a car park in Longton by being as sloppy as her father and brother have at running our club. Gary Rowett clearly wasnt a bad manager was he ? Yes perhaps he should of done a little better but I will remind you we were 9th when he left, fucking 9th and had just gone 14 games unbeaten. That takes some doung in this league especially with this group of fuckwits that we have playing now he certainly got something out of them. If he kept his mouth shut we would have been competing for a play off spot this year and history has proved him correct. We (myself included) decided to back a player who depite his fan favourite position had shown nothing in the previous 3 years to suggest he could make a difference and now he is playing in the place good footballers go to die or amateurs play way above the level they should be. Had there not been an obsession with Bojan at this club we may not be headed to L1 right now. I get that its a little if my aunty had bollocks kind of stuff but can you really say we would be bottom and in the brown stuff if Rowett was still here ? Some of that simply isn't true, Rowett never had us in the top half and we were 14th when he was sacked, We had a 10 game unbeaten run not 14 but Jones also had a 9 game unbeatean run with us so that doesn't prove anything. I don't doubt for 1 second that Rowett would be doing better, but promotion was the aim and he simply was too safety conscious despite spending his warchest.
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Post by greenman on Nov 5, 2019 9:37:01 GMT
What worries me is when the old man passes on what happens then, as Denise it is well known wants nothing to do with the club (and who can blame her after being traumatised by an attack on their house when a little `un) and Jon appears to be not the sharpest tool in the box. With reducing parachute payments we are heading for the rocks and we desperately need the next managerial choice to be spot on or we become the next Bolton or worse Bury.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 9:40:49 GMT
What is the point at throwing 50M at the likes of Gary Rowett? If you have that level of finance available then put it to a proper manager who has achieved something in the game. Spending money badly isn't something to celebrate. They're called directors for a reason. Ironic you mention Denise. She hasn't built up Bet365 from a car park in Longton by being as sloppy as her father and brother have at running our club. Gary Rowett clearly wasnt a bad manager was he ? Yes perhaps he should of done a little better but I will remind you we were 9th when he left, fucking 9th and had just gone 14 games unbeaten. That takes some doung in this league especially with this group of fuckwits that we have playing now he certainly got something out of them. If he kept his mouth shut we would have been competing for a play off spot this year and history has proved him correct. We (myself included) decided to back a player who depite his fan favourite position had shown nothing in the previous 3 years to suggest he could make a difference and now he is playing in the place good footballers go to die or amateurs play way above the level they should be. Had there not been an obsession with Bojan at this club we may not be headed to L1 right now. I get that its a little if my aunty had bollocks kind of stuff but can you really say we would be bottom and in the brown stuff if Rowett was still here ? Gary Rowett isn't a bad manager, no. He isn't the manager you give 50M+ to though is he? He hasn't any pedigree in spending money successfully having never had any in his career, so even if he failed on the pitch you have no idea what he is leaving you with for someone else to pick up. Other managers you have an idea of if you pick the right one ie. a short term failure on him could leave you with the tools for someone else to achieve. He also has no pedigree in achieving the one thing he was brought into do - promotion. He's never done it in his life. We moved onto Nathan Jones who had all of those issues to deal with and we now sit in a worse position as he faced different issues he'd never dealt with before also - namely a squad on the bones of it's arse full of expensive and demotivated players that needed change. With each managerial appointment we are making things progressively worse as we lurch from one ill suited appointment for the position to the next. As supporters we have to deal in hindsight as we are none the wiser to the inner workings or ambitions of the club, however and I want to stress this, nor are we thick as some in the game would want you to believe when in full view of the facts. As such, i'm confident if every supporter knew the level of investment that was being planned post relegation there would have been very few if any calls for Gary Rowett to be our manager and rightly so.
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Post by redstriper on Nov 5, 2019 9:41:47 GMT
Football is an ultra competitive business and relies on it's workforce performing. The chairman's role is an advisory one centred around trying to maintain the values and integrity of the business. It is the CEO and his team who carry responsibility for operational success.
So Peter is clearly not the problem.
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Post by future100 on Nov 5, 2019 9:43:34 GMT
Any poster who doesn’t know the difference between ‘your’ and ‘you’re’ isn’t really worthy of a reply. But you have anyway, priceless.
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Post by future100 on Nov 5, 2019 9:48:00 GMT
As someone who has been going down to Stoke since 1955 I can honestly say that some of the best years I have enjoyed have been under the stewardship of the Coates family, regrettably it now seems that I'm about to witness some of the worst, however I certainly don't think that the family deserve some of the vitreol they get on this message board. Ask yourself, if you won the lottery would you plough it into Stoke City, and do you think you could do better? Its not about giving them vitriol. Of course they have done good things for the club and given us wonderful times. Does that mean we have no voice when we are watching the club collapse because they wont get the right senior management in. His son can't handle the job plain and simple. JC needs fucking off because he is ruining our club. And scholes needs to go with him. Of course every paying supporter should have a voice, it is the tone and viciousness of some of the posters that I object to.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 9:53:17 GMT
Let's face it - if it wasn't for Pulis we'd have been nowhere enjoying at 10 year stretch in the Premier League.
The vast majority of managers the Coates family have recruited have been shit. Stoke City is their toy
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Post by thevoid on Nov 5, 2019 10:43:33 GMT
Before anyone says that Peter Coates got Stoke to the Premier League, Blackpool reached the Premier League under Karl Oyston. It means absolutely nothing. It's a disgrace what my club has become in juat under 4 years, and it's on the Coates' watch. A third relegation to Division 3 under the Coates' is very much on the cards. This is on them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 10:48:21 GMT
Before anyone says that Peter Coates got Stoke to the Premier League, Blackpool reached the Premier League under Karl Oyston. It means absolutely nothing. It's a disgrace what my club has become in juat under 4 years, and it's on the Coates' watch. A third relegation to Division 3 under the Coates' is very much on the cards. This is on them. So he’s spent hundreds of millions and is a supporter himself but it’s “your club” Feel free to get your cheque book out..
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Post by philb on Nov 5, 2019 10:53:36 GMT
The only failure of the owners is to fail to see that Cartwright (now gone at last) and Scholes were and are a massive part of the problem we’ve gotten ourselves into. Jobs for the boys and all that.
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Post by thevoid on Nov 5, 2019 10:54:43 GMT
Before anyone says that Peter Coates got Stoke to the Premier League, Blackpool reached the Premier League under Karl Oyston. It means absolutely nothing. It's a disgrace what my club has become in juat under 4 years, and it's on the Coates' watch. A third relegation to Division 3 under the Coates' is very much on the cards. This is on them. So he’s spent hundreds of millions and is a supporter himself but it’s “your club” Feel free to get your cheque book out.. My club, as in the club I support, smart arse.
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Post by AlliG on Nov 5, 2019 12:26:01 GMT
I started to question if he really cared from the moment he released Ric and handed Michael Owen the number 10 shirt. From that moment I realised that we were just a business to him. I have read some "interesting" posts on here but that has to be one of the most "interesting" of all. Any chance you could explain what role Peter Coates played in either the retained list or the handing out of squad numbers as it appears to have completely passed me by?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 5, 2019 15:34:12 GMT
All jobs and times come to an end. His deluded and arrogant comments over the past couple of years suggest he’s lost touch. Employing your son and pals, rather than the best people possible, has cost him and us dear. I can only think the last three managers were chosen for, in part, their lack of gravitas and mental ease too, given it made zero sense to spend so much on players but employ no one with the experience @nd vision and track record to spend it. His club is rotten top to bottom with apathy and a lack of accountability, and I can’t see beyond the culture created by this nepotism, cronyism and weak leadership to see him as fuelling, if not, seeding the root problem: harsh though that is. It’s simply possible to be in any job too long. If the Coates family sell up we'll do a Bury. No one.with their sort of money is going to invest what they have in the club. It isn't going to happen.
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Post by thehoof on Nov 5, 2019 15:37:28 GMT
What is the point at throwing 50M at the likes of Gary Rowett? If you have that level of finance available then put it to a proper manager who has achieved something in the game. Spending money badly isn't something to celebrate. They're called directors for a reason. Ironic you mention Denise. She hasn't built up Bet365 from a car park in Longton by being as sloppy as her father and brother have at running our club. Gary Rowett clearly wasnt a bad manager was he ? Yes perhaps he should of done a little better but I will remind you we were 9th when he left, fucking 9th and had just gone 14 games unbeaten .That takes some doung in this league especially with this group of fuckwits that we have playing now he certainly got something out of them. If he kept his mouth shut we would have been competing for a play off spot this year and history has proved him correct. We (myself included) decided to back a player who depite his fan favourite position had shown nothing in the previous 3 years to suggest he could make a difference and now he is playing in the place good footballers go to die or amateurs play way above the level they should be. Had there not been an obsession with Bojan at this club we may not be headed to L1 right now. I get that its a little if my aunty had bollocks kind of stuff but can you really say we would be bottom and in the brown stuff if Rowett was still here ? Just wrong on so many fronts. We hadn’t just gone 14 unbeaten had we ( we lost to Birmingham, Bristol and drew with Bolton in his final 3 games).We were 14th ( having only been in the top 10 once) when he left and an obsession with Bojan does not account for £50 m of spend on absolute shit footballers, one of whom Ince has shown far less than Bojan ever did.
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Post by ibby on Nov 5, 2019 15:49:24 GMT
Peter needs to stand up and be counted.
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Post by scfc75 on Nov 5, 2019 16:08:31 GMT
Peter needs to stand up and be counted. “Stand up Peter” .....”one....”
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Post by thevoid on Nov 5, 2019 16:09:19 GMT
Peter needs to stand up and be counted. I thought he was rubber stamping TP's demands post haste? Has the rubber stamp thingy gone missing?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 5, 2019 16:38:14 GMT
*you're Sorry, couldn't help it What's this about? Don't worry about it. Just accept that you don't need to know the answer to understand the rest of the thread.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Nov 5, 2019 16:50:58 GMT
Gary Rowett clearly wasnt a bad manager was he ? Yes perhaps he should of done a little better but I will remind you we were 9th when he left, fucking 9th and had just gone 14 games unbeaten .That takes some doung in this league especially with this group of fuckwits that we have playing now he certainly got something out of them. If he kept his mouth shut we would have been competing for a play off spot this year and history has proved him correct. We (myself included) decided to back a player who depite his fan favourite position had shown nothing in the previous 3 years to suggest he could make a difference and now he is playing in the place good footballers go to die or amateurs play way above the level they should be. Had there not been an obsession with Bojan at this club we may not be headed to L1 right now. I get that its a little if my aunty had bollocks kind of stuff but can you really say we would be bottom and in the brown stuff if Rowett was still here ? Just wrong on so many fronts. We hadn’t just gone 14 unbeaten had we ( we lost to Birmingham, Bristol and drew with Bolton in his final 3 games).We were 14th ( having only been in the top 10 once) when he left and an obsession with Bojan does not account for £50 m of spend on absolute shit footballers, one of whom Ince has shown far less than Bojan ever did. A Bojan playing at about 25% of his potential is still infinitely better than literally any other attacker on our books.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 5, 2019 16:54:58 GMT
Two big mistakes
Not sacking Hughes sooner. However he did have much credit in the bank.
The second and was caused by the first not employing a manager experienced and quality enough to keep us up. FFS lambert was inept and we went down by a couple of points. One bloody win
We would have had a reset that summer and be ok now
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Post by tony1234 on Nov 5, 2019 16:56:45 GMT
Football is an ultra competitive business and relies on it's workforce performing. The chairman's role is an advisory one centred around trying to maintain the values and integrity of the business. It is the CEO and his team who carry responsibility for operational success. So Peter is clearly not the problem. Hear what you say, but either his advice is being ignored (and he's redundant) or his advice is being heard (and hes incompetent). Either way....
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 5, 2019 17:06:03 GMT
What is the point at throwing 50M at the likes of Gary Rowett? If you have that level of finance available then put it to a proper manager who has achieved something in the game. Spending money badly isn't something to celebrate. They're called directors for a reason. Ironic you mention Denise. She hasn't built up Bet365 from a car park in Longton by being as sloppy as her father and brother have at running our club. Gary Rowett clearly wasnt a bad manager was he ? Yes perhaps he should of done a little better but I will remind you we were 9th when he left, fucking 9th and had just gone 14 games unbeaten. That takes some doung in this league especially with this group of fuckwits that we have playing now he certainly got something out of them. If he kept his mouth shut we would have been competing for a play off spot this year and history has proved him correct. We (myself included) decided to back a player who depite his fan favourite position had shown nothing in the previous 3 years to suggest he could make a difference and now he is playing in the place good footballers go to die or amateurs play way above the level they should be. Had there not been an obsession with Bojan at this club we may not be headed to L1 right now. I get that its a little if my aunty had bollocks kind of stuff but can you really say we would be bottom and in the brown stuff if Rowett was still here ? I don't think we would, no. The catalyst for his sacking was Scholes getting the bird from the crowd, though.
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Post by humbersidepotter on Nov 5, 2019 17:15:22 GMT
I started to question if he really cared from the moment he released Ric and handed Michael Owen the number 10 shirt. From that moment I realised that we were just a business to him. I have read some "interesting" posts on here but that has to be one of the most "interesting" of all. Any chance you could explain what role Peter Coates played in either the retained list or the handing out of squad numbers as it appears to have completely passed me by? Owen was taken on for commercial reasons and also for having a strong relationship to Coates due to both having ties with the horse racing community. He may not have had a great deal to do with the 'retained list' but in terms of hiring, it was a case of a commercial opportunity which benefited a friend rather than the club.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2019 17:22:14 GMT
Don't worry about it. Just accept that you don't need to know the answer to understand the rest of the thread. Grammar police
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