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Post by GoBoks on Nov 1, 2019 20:06:27 GMT
... can we please agree to give them a fair shake of the stick? This club is an absolute Omnishambles (courtesy of BlackpoolRed - the word, not the mess  ). We cannot expect someone to waltz in and have everyone singing from the same hymn sheet immediately. What's a fair shake? For the most impatient, I'd say at least till the end of the transfer window, for normal people ...probably the rest of the season. |
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Post by felonious on Nov 1, 2019 20:16:12 GMT
He needs at least 38 games.
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Post by innocentbystander on Nov 1, 2019 20:16:27 GMT
Omnishambles © The Thick Of It
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 1, 2019 20:20:32 GMT
I'll give him two games, and if there's no improvements, fuck him off!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 20:23:14 GMT
Ten year contract minimum.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 20:24:02 GMT
If we dont beat WBA, he's got to go.
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Post by matelot1996 on Nov 1, 2019 20:27:13 GMT
Everyone of the new managers at Stoke in the last 8 years has been given a fair crack. That’s what we do. If they don’t do the business then they will be treated accordingly.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 1, 2019 20:27:22 GMT
I'll give him two games, and if there's no improvements, fuck him off!!! Same here, there's an International break coming up, we can't be pissing around. |
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Post by robstokie on Nov 1, 2019 20:28:55 GMT
Well, he can't be any worse than NJ can he? The new man will be here for the season and I will judge him on the following criteria.
Now till January - how the new man does with this group compared with Jones (for example Rowett, although not as successful as many had hoped, with hindsight didn't do that badly with the group that NJ inherited and took backwards) I'll honestly be happy with us just closing in the gap so we can at least be in touch going into January.
Signings - I'll be wanting to see holes plugged in this group with solid, if not spectacular signings who come in, do their job and sweat blood for our club. Priorities for me are a proper left back and cover in midfield.
January to the end of the season - I will want to see the signings improve what we have and hopefully add a new dimension to us. With time to bed in and a few of the new managers men in as well, I will want to see an improvement in results and hopefully performances, with at least the guts to fight till the last with this relegation battle.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Nov 1, 2019 20:35:32 GMT
Thing is, through no fault of his own he's going need hit the ground running fairly soon if he's going to get us out of this mess we are in
No 'free hits' as Jones had last season
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 20:40:20 GMT
Thing is, through no fault of his own he's going need hit the ground running fairly soon if he's going to get us out of this mess we are in No 'free hits' as Jones had last season He can have quite a few "free hits". Mad Nath needed every game to be a free hitter, and it got him precisely nowhere. As long as we are running on all cylinders come January ....
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Post by GoBoks on Nov 1, 2019 20:46:03 GMT
If we dont beat WBA, he's got to go.  Reporter: "What's the thinking behind sacking Chris Hughton a minute and a half after he signed his contract?" Scholes: "Well, the mention of his name before the game last weekend did not produce the desired effect, and after being accused of acting too slowly in the past, the owners are determined to show this is not the case - We have indeed learned lessons from the past." |
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Post by GoBoks on Nov 1, 2019 20:58:37 GMT
Everyone of the new managers at Stoke in the last 8 years has been given a fair crack. That’s what we do. If they don’t do the business then they will be treated accordingly. By the owners, yes. By us the fans? I was among those shouting down TP when he returned before a ball had even been kicked. MH had people wanting him out before his first game, PL - some were disgusted at his appointment and calling for his head a few games in. GR? Did we really give him a fair crack? In hindsight, I don't think so. NJ, he has had the most tolerance shown of all of them, probably because we all desperately wanted it to work. No matter who it is, even TP, I for one will be with them "...every step along the way." |
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Post by anto on Nov 1, 2019 21:02:38 GMT
Yes as long as it’s not TP 😁
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Nov 1, 2019 21:24:04 GMT
More chance of platting piss.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 21:40:50 GMT
Everyone of the new managers at Stoke in the last 8 years has been given a fair crack. That’s what we do. If they don’t do the business then they will be treated accordingly. By the owners, yes. By us the fans? I was among those shouting down TP when he returned before a ball had even been kicked. MH had people wanting him out before his first game, PL - some were disgusted at his appointment and calling for his head a few games in. GR? Did we really give him a fair crack? In hindsight, I don't think so. NJ, he has had the most tolerance shown of all of them, probably because we all desperately wanted it to work. No matter who it is, even TP, I for one will be with them "...every step along the way." Collect your medal on the way out ..... |
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Post by GoBoks on Nov 1, 2019 21:43:42 GMT
By the owners, yes. By us the fans? I was among those shouting down TP when he returned before a ball had even been kicked. MH had people wanting him out before his first game, PL - some were disgusted at his appointment and calling for his head a few games in. GR? Did we really give him a fair crack? In hindsight, I don't think so. NJ, he has had the most tolerance shown of all of them, probably because we all desperately wanted it to work. No matter who it is, even TP, I for one will be with them "...every step along the way." Collect your medal on the way out ..... Look bud, if all you're not willing to engage in dialogue instead of just posting "this is crap" and so on, don't bother responding to anything I post because as of now, you're blocked for me  Have a great life. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 1, 2019 21:46:15 GMT
This club is an absolute Omnishambles (courtesy of BlackpoolRed - the word, not the mess) I think its courtesy of Malcom Tucker/Armando Ianucci! |
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Post by matelot1996 on Nov 1, 2019 21:49:46 GMT
Everyone of the new managers at Stoke in the last 8 years has been given a fair crack. That’s what we do. If they don’t do the business then they will be treated accordingly. By the owners, yes. By us the fans? I was among those shouting down TP when he returned before a ball had even been kicked. MH had people wanting him out before his first game, PL - some were disgusted at his appointment and calling for his head a few games in. GR? Did we really give him a fair crack? In hindsight, I don't think so. NJ, he has had the most tolerance shown of all of them, probably because we all desperately wanted it to work.. No matter who it is, even TP, I for one will be with them "...every step along the way." I repeat. Every Manager has had a fair crack of the whip. There was good support for all during their respective Honeymoon periods. Rowett and Hughes lost the support due to inept points returns and derogatory comments towards the fans. The suggestion that fans are the problem by not supporting our Managers is laughable. They need to earn it, like everyone else. |
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Post by thisfootballclub on Nov 1, 2019 21:54:25 GMT
Bring in TP, grab some popcorn and watch the show as he goes through the club like a dose of salts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 21:55:22 GMT
Bring in TP, grab some popcorn and watch the show as he goes through the club like a dose of salts. ...shits himself, and walks away .... |
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Post by harrysburrow on Nov 1, 2019 22:18:23 GMT
It's got a distinct last throw of the dice feel to it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 22:30:01 GMT
It's got a distinct last throw of the dice feel to it? If we were to appoint Pulis, then yes.
On the other hand .....
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Post by GoBoks on Nov 1, 2019 22:34:04 GMT
By the owners, yes. By us the fans? I was among those shouting down TP when he returned before a ball had even been kicked. MH had people wanting him out before his first game, PL - some were disgusted at his appointment and calling for his head a few games in. GR? Did we really give him a fair crack? In hindsight, I don't think so. NJ, he has had the most tolerance shown of all of them, probably because we all desperately wanted it to work.. No matter who it is, even TP, I for one will be with them "...every step along the way." I repeat. Every Manager has had a fair crack of the whip. There was good support for all during their respective Honeymoon periods. Rowett and Hughes lost the support due to inept points returns and derogatory comments towards the fans. The suggestion that fans are the problem by not supporting our Managers is laughable. They need to earn it, like everyone else. And I repeat, When people are calling for the manager's head before they have even played a game, how is that giving them a fair chance? How can a manager earn the loyalty if people make up their minds before they get a chance to earn it? By the way, nowhere do I blame the fans. I am just sick and tired of the constant bickering that goes on. Can we give the new man a fair chance? I'm not holding my breath. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 22:37:24 GMT
I repeat. Every Manager has had a fair crack of the whip. There was good support for all during their respective Honeymoon periods. Rowett and Hughes lost the support due to inept points returns and derogatory comments towards the fans. The suggestion that fans are the problem by not supporting our Managers is laughable. They need to earn it, like everyone else. And I repeat, When people are calling for the manager's head before they have even played a game, how is that giving them a fair chance? How can a manager earn the loyalty if people make up their minds before they get a chance to earn it? By the way, nowhere do I blame the fans. I am just sick and tired of the constant bickering that goes on. Can we give the new man a fair chance? I'm not holding my breath. Oh just stop bickering . |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 1, 2019 22:43:54 GMT
Everyone will be behind an appointment like Neill, Moyes or Hughton.
it will be rank appointments the likes of Pulis, Coleman, Pards etc that will divide people.
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Post by thehoof on Nov 1, 2019 23:01:53 GMT
Whoever it is, this has to work
If we go down this year(and I think our squad is full of exactly the wrong type of player for the dog fight we are in,) then as a result of FFP compliance, we will be in Div 2 by 2022.
I don’t care who it is so long as he is a bona fide miracle worker.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 1, 2019 23:28:49 GMT
Well I think this thread will make all the difference personally.
People who previously might have been critical of the manager, whether it's the capped one or someone new, and whatever style of football or results we get, I think they'll look back to this thread and realise how wrong they were in their initial thought and immediately offer generous support and constructive, if cautious advice.
Because that's the way it's always worked on football message boards...
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Post by GoBoks on Nov 1, 2019 23:32:05 GMT
Well I think this thread will make all the difference personally. People who previously might have been critical of the manager, whether it's the capped one or someone new, and whatever style of football or results we get, I think they'll look back to this thread and realise how wrong they were in their initial thought and immediately offer generous support and constructive, if cautious advice. Because that's the way it's always worked on football message boards... Nail, head! |
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Post by march4 on Nov 1, 2019 23:34:41 GMT
There will be no peace at SCFC until TP returns or retires.
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). We cannot expect someone to waltz in and have everyone singing from the same hymn sheet immediately. What's a fair shake? For the most impatient, I'd say at least till the end of the transfer window, for normal people ...probably the rest of the season.
Have a great life.
