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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 27, 2019 8:40:14 GMT
The last 2 games have shown how much Etebo contributes. He and Badou are the only 2 players we have who
1- have any real ability. 2- appear to have any pride in there performance (Though CCV has impressed me recently).
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Oct 27, 2019 9:00:22 GMT
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Post by chuckrocky on Oct 27, 2019 9:00:22 GMT
His driving runs through the middle of the pitch are sometimes the only way we can get the ball into opposition territory.
Our passing yesterday was an absolute joke. It’s never brilliant at the best of times but yesterday just took the biscuit. I haven’t seen the stats but I’d wager Allen, Clucas and Ince completes more passes to Millwall players than their own team mates.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 9:03:35 GMT
He's just a better engine than what we had yesterday. He's an appalling footballer. There is no end product with him.
The mazy dribbles are exciting and get everyone going but they end with nothing. No shots on target, no assists and very few chances if any created.
Badou is the big miss when he's not playing. The rest can take a long walk for me.
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Oct 27, 2019 9:09:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 9:09:07 GMT
He's just a better engine than what we had yesterday. He's an appalling footballer. There is no end product with him. The mazy dribbles are exciting and get everyone going but they end with nothing. No shots on target, no assists and very few chances if any created. Badou is the big miss when he's not playing. The rest can take a long walk for me. If he’s an appalling footballer then what are the 11 we sent out yesterday? He could do better at times, but at least with him you can hope something might happen for the good of the team. I never have that feeling when Ince plays.
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Oct 27, 2019 9:19:49 GMT
Post by cooper67 on Oct 27, 2019 9:19:49 GMT
He's just a better engine than what we had yesterday. He's an appalling footballer. There is no end product with him. The mazy dribbles are exciting and get everyone going but they end with nothing. No shots on target, no assists and very few chances if any created. Badou is the big miss when he's not playing. The rest can take a long walk for me. Badou played yesterday. He was as bad as the rest.
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Oct 27, 2019 9:48:13 GMT
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Post by superalexneil on Oct 27, 2019 9:48:13 GMT
He's just a better engine than what we had yesterday. He's an appalling footballer. There is no end product with him. The mazy dribbles are exciting and get everyone going but they end with nothing. No shots on target, no assists and very few chances if any created. Badou is the big miss when he's not playing. The rest can take a long walk for me. Give me strength. Some pricks on here
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Oct 27, 2019 9:49:37 GMT
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 27, 2019 9:49:37 GMT
He's just a better engine than what we had yesterday. He's an appalling footballer. There is no end product with him. The mazy dribbles are exciting and get everyone going but they end with nothing. No shots on target, no assists and very few chances if any created. Badou is the big miss when he's not playing. The rest can take a long walk for me. Badou played yesterday. He was as bad as the rest. He really want. The Millwall 8 was deputed to stop Badou getting on the ball but even then he was still our most influential player, passed to his own team, drove forward and was bothered enough to chase the player and give away the penalty after the rest of our team gave up
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Oct 27, 2019 9:52:12 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 9:52:12 GMT
He's just a better engine than what we had yesterday. He's an appalling footballer. There is no end product with him. The mazy dribbles are exciting and get everyone going but they end with nothing. No shots on target, no assists and very few chances if any created. Badou is the big miss when he's not playing. The rest can take a long walk for me. If he’s an appalling footballer then what are the 11 we sent out yesterday? He could do better at times, but at least with him you can hope something might happen for the good of the team. I never have that feeling when Ince plays. 'He could do better at times' - bit of an understatement that. 18/19Etebo - 2 goals, 1 assists, 0.9 key passes per game. 1.7 tackles per game, 1.1 interceptions per game. Allen - 6 goals, 4 assists, 1.2 key passes per game. 2.7 tackles per game, 1.4 interceptions per game. Clucas - 4 goals, 2 assists, 1 key pass per game. 1.9 tackles per game, 0.8 interceptions per game. 19/20Etebo - 0 goals, 0 assists, 0.6 key passes per game. 1.6 tackles per game, 0.9 interceptions per game. Allen - 0 goals, 0 assists, 0.4 key passes per game. 2.1 tackles per game, 2.1 interceptions per game. Clucas - 3 goals, 0 assists, 1.5 key passes per game. 2.8 tackles per game, 1.1 interceptions per game.
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Oct 27, 2019 9:55:20 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Oct 27, 2019 9:55:20 GMT
He's just a better engine than what we had yesterday. He's an appalling footballer. There is no end product with him. The mazy dribbles are exciting and get everyone going but they end with nothing. No shots on target, no assists and very few chances if any created. Badou is the big miss when he's not playing. The rest can take a long walk for me. Give me strength. Some pricks on here He's a prick for his opinion? Why's that then?
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Oct 27, 2019 9:57:38 GMT
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Post by christhepotter on Oct 27, 2019 9:57:38 GMT
The last 2 games have shown how much Etebo contributes. He and Badou are the only 2 players we have who 1- have any real ability. 2- appear to have any pride in there performance (Though CCV has impressed me recently). I do think we have some other players with ability we just need a good manager to get it out of them , Duffy Powell Ince Smith all have it just not showing it
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Oct 27, 2019 10:01:47 GMT
Post by serpico on Oct 27, 2019 10:01:47 GMT
He's just a better engine than what we had yesterday. He's an appalling footballer. There is no end product with him. The mazy dribbles are exciting and get everyone going but they end with nothing. No shots on target, no assists and very few chances if any created.Badou is the big miss when he's not playing. The rest can take a long walk for me. That probably has as much to do with what’s in front of him as anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 10:01:54 GMT
Give me strength. Some pricks on here He's a prick for his opinion? Why's that then? Ignore him mate. I've said my piece and backed it up with stats in comparison to other midfielders in the same team under the same managers at the time. I rate Etebo as the best athlete and best dribbler in the squad but as a footballer I just don't rate him one bit. A player who can pass accurately gets in my team over a runner all day long. We've got far too many runners in this team and it's a huge part of our problem.
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Oct 27, 2019 10:09:59 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Oct 27, 2019 10:09:59 GMT
The difference between Ince and him for me is that Etebo wants to get on the ball and affect the game, isn't scared of a tackle or making himself available to receive a pass and generally plays like he gives a shit.
Ince is pretty much the polar opposite.
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Oct 27, 2019 10:54:47 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 27, 2019 10:54:47 GMT
The difference between Ince and him for me is that Etebo wants to get on the ball and affect the game, isn't scared of a tackle or making himself available to receive a pass and generally plays like he gives a shit. Ince is pretty much the polar opposite. Ones a more defensive box to box winger and ones a midfielder. Why are you comparing them?
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Oct 27, 2019 10:55:56 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Oct 27, 2019 10:55:56 GMT
The difference between Ince and him for me is that Etebo wants to get on the ball and affect the game, isn't scared of a tackle or making himself available to receive a pass and generally plays like he gives a shit. Ince is pretty much the polar opposite. Ones a more defensive box to box winger and ones a winger. Why are you comparing them? Because in our most recent game it seems one replaced the other.
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Oct 27, 2019 10:57:32 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 27, 2019 10:57:32 GMT
Ones a more defensive box to box winger and ones a winger. Why are you comparing them? Because in our most recent game it seems one replaced the other. So yesterday, Joe Allen didn’t go deeper where Etebo was? Genuine question I haven’t seen the game.
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Oct 27, 2019 11:05:10 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Oct 27, 2019 11:05:10 GMT
He's a prick for his opinion? Why's that then? Ignore him mate. I've said my piece and backed it up with stats in comparison to other midfielders in the same team under the same managers at the time. I rate Etebo as the best athlete and best dribbler in the squad but as a footballer I just don't rate him one bit. A player who can pass accurately gets in my team over a runner all day long. We've got far too many runners in this team and it's a huge part of our problem. This is spot on- Etebo is one of our best players but he cannot pass the ball- nobody in our side can. We have probably all played with someone similar to Etebo-( obviously at much lower levels)- beats 3 men for fun but loses it to the 4th or runs it out of play. He will move on and we will pocket a nice profit-the side will be worse, but even with Etebo we struggle to look like a side that can score or play anything like an imaginative pass. The rebuild needs to start now- make no mistake we will kick off next season in League 1; to be fair that is the level of most of this lot - although even that is a level too high for some of the slackhearts like Spider-Man.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 27, 2019 11:08:20 GMT
Because in our most recent game it seems one replaced the other. So yesterday, Joe Allen didn’t go deeper where Etebo was? Genuine question I haven’t seen the game. I don't see the relevance, Ince replaced Etebo, I was comparing the two as footballers, if you think that it's unfair or unrealistic to compare a player with the one who replaced him purely on the abilities and/or attitudes of the respective players that is obviously your prerogative. What won't be happening is me wasting any of my Sunday engaging with you in yet another of your famous circular arguments, so adios amigo
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Oct 27, 2019 11:13:40 GMT
Post by blackpoolred on Oct 27, 2019 11:13:40 GMT
The last 2 games have shown how much Etebo contributes. He and Badou are the only 2 players we have who 1- have any real ability. 2- appear to have any pride in there performance (Though CCV has impressed me recently). I think when he is missing it upsets the balance of the team/midfield. When he starts and N'diaye plays it leaves Allen free to play in his most dangerous position going forward and we always look like creating more while having plenty of cover for our back four and also some real drive in midfield. CV had another good game yesterday as did Bruno and I think if they can stay fit and we can play the midfield four of Clucas, Etebo, N'diaye and Allen then there is still a little hope for us. This is Stoke though so expect all of the six players I mentioned to be out with injuries by the end of the November
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Oct 27, 2019 11:19:25 GMT
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Post by onionman on Oct 27, 2019 11:19:25 GMT
He's a prick for his opinion? Why's that then? Ignore him mate. I've said my piece and backed it up with stats in comparison to other midfielders in the same team under the same managers at the time. I rate Etebo as the best athlete and best dribbler in the squad but as a footballer I just don't rate him one bit. A player who can pass accurately gets in my team over a runner all day long. We've got far too many runners in this team and it's a huge part of our problem. The thing is they are all runners but none of them are fast. Runners, runners all around, but not a drop of pace.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 11:21:50 GMT
If he’s an appalling footballer then what are the 11 we sent out yesterday? He could do better at times, but at least with him you can hope something might happen for the good of the team. I never have that feeling when Ince plays. 'He could do better at times' - bit of an understatement that. 18/19Etebo - 2 goals, 1 assists, 0.9 key passes per game. 1.7 tackles per game, 1.1 interceptions per game. Allen - 6 goals, 4 assists, 1.2 key passes per game. 2.7 tackles per game, 1.4 interceptions per game. Clucas - 4 goals, 2 assists, 1 key pass per game. 1.9 tackles per game, 0.8 interceptions per game. 19/20Etebo - 0 goals, 0 assists, 0.6 key passes per game. 1.6 tackles per game, 0.9 interceptions per game. Allen - 0 goals, 0 assists, 0.4 key passes per game. 2.1 tackles per game, 2.1 interceptions per game. Clucas - 3 goals, 0 assists, 1.5 key passes per game. 2.8 tackles per game, 1.1 interceptions per game. Fuck, zero assists from them three says it all really.
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Oct 27, 2019 11:22:44 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 27, 2019 11:22:44 GMT
So yesterday, Joe Allen didn’t go deeper where Etebo was? Genuine question I haven’t seen the game. I don't see the relevance, Ince replaced Etebo, I was comparing the two as footballers, if you think that it's unfair or unrealistic to compare a player with the one who replaced him purely on the abilities and/or attitudes of the respective players that is obviously your prerogative. What won't be happening is me wasting any of my Sunday engaging with you in yet another of your famous circular arguments, so adios amigo Well if Allen played deeper then really Allen replaced him didn’t he. That’s fine, your argument is massively flawed anyway.
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Oct 27, 2019 11:26:50 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 27, 2019 11:26:50 GMT
If he’s an appalling footballer then what are the 11 we sent out yesterday? He could do better at times, but at least with him you can hope something might happen for the good of the team. I never have that feeling when Ince plays. 'He could do better at times' - bit of an understatement that. 18/19Etebo - 2 goals, 1 assists, 0.9 key passes per game. 1.7 tackles per game, 1.1 interceptions per game. Allen - 6 goals, 4 assists, 1.2 key passes per game. 2.7 tackles per game, 1.4 interceptions per game. Clucas - 4 goals, 2 assists, 1 key pass per game. 1.9 tackles per game, 0.8 interceptions per game. 19/20Etebo - 0 goals, 0 assists, 0.6 key passes per game. 1.6 tackles per game, 0.9 interceptions per game. Allen - 0 goals, 0 assists, 0.4 key passes per game. 2.1 tackles per game, 2.1 interceptions per game. Clucas - 3 goals, 0 assists, 1.5 key passes per game. 2.8 tackles per game, 1.1 interceptions per game. Here he is bashing Etebo with his notebook of stats Keep up the cracking work.
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Oct 27, 2019 11:31:44 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 27, 2019 11:31:44 GMT
'He could do better at times' - bit of an understatement that. 18/19Etebo - 2 goals, 1 assists, 0.9 key passes per game. 1.7 tackles per game, 1.1 interceptions per game. Allen - 6 goals, 4 assists, 1.2 key passes per game. 2.7 tackles per game, 1.4 interceptions per game. Clucas - 4 goals, 2 assists, 1 key pass per game. 1.9 tackles per game, 0.8 interceptions per game. 19/20Etebo - 0 goals, 0 assists, 0.6 key passes per game. 1.6 tackles per game, 0.9 interceptions per game. Allen - 0 goals, 0 assists, 0.4 key passes per game. 2.1 tackles per game, 2.1 interceptions per game. Clucas - 3 goals, 0 assists, 1.5 key passes per game. 2.8 tackles per game, 1.1 interceptions per game. Here he is bashing Etebo with his notebook of stats Keep up the cracking work. You don’t need stats to see that Etebo doesn’t do much of anything. His defensive game has come on massively since he signed and that’s been his biggest improvement but he doesn’t really do much with the ball to play as an attacking midfielder and he’s not good enough defensively to be a defensive midfielder. He needs to be more, his dribbling and driving forward are good but don’t usually result in anything.
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Oct 27, 2019 11:36:22 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 27, 2019 11:36:22 GMT
Here he is bashing Etebo with his notebook of stats Keep up the cracking work. You don’t need stats to see that Etebo doesn’t do much of anything. His defensive game has come on massively since he signed and that’s been his biggest improvement but he doesn’t really do much with the ball to play as an attacking midfielder and he’s not good enough defensively to be a defensive midfielder. He needs to be more, his dribbling and driving forward are good but don’t usually result in anything. I'm not arsed. My comment was directed to a particular poster in a 'tongue in cheek' way because he wields out facts about Etebo quite a lot. I'm done defending any stoke city footballer
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Oct 27, 2019 11:38:59 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 27, 2019 11:38:59 GMT
You don’t need stats to see that Etebo doesn’t do much of anything. His defensive game has come on massively since he signed and that’s been his biggest improvement but he doesn’t really do much with the ball to play as an attacking midfielder and he’s not good enough defensively to be a defensive midfielder. He needs to be more, his dribbling and driving forward are good but don’t usually result in anything. I'm not arsed. My comment was directed to a particular poster in a 'tongue in cheek' way because he wields out facts about Etebo quite a lot. I'm done defending any stoke city footballer Etebo is a player who you can’t say wrong of as this thread has showed. The reality is that he’s been playing just below where he should be imo. But he’s still youngish and he’s shown he’s willing to learn because his positioning has gone from not knowing where to stand to actually reading the game quite well. He’s massively overrated though.
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Oct 27, 2019 11:49:40 GMT
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Post by superalexneil on Oct 27, 2019 11:49:40 GMT
Give me strength. Some pricks on here He's a prick for his opinion? Why's that then? Stope fishing chig.
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Oct 27, 2019 12:04:40 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Oct 27, 2019 12:04:40 GMT
He's a prick for his opinion? Why's that then? Stope fishing chig. You're the one being abusive for the sole reason he doesn't rate Etebo as a footballer. I'm asking you why is that? Tell me how that is fishing because I haven't a clue.
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Oct 27, 2019 12:06:27 GMT
Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 27, 2019 12:06:27 GMT
He's just a better engine than what we had yesterday. He's an appalling footballer. There is no end product with him. The mazy dribbles are exciting and get everyone going but they end with nothing. No shots on target, no assists and very few chances if any created. Badou is the big miss when he's not playing. The rest can take a long walk for me. I don't agree he is an appalling footballer, that's harsh. I will agree badou is probably the bigger miss, just. What Etebo offers is drive and power which at the least gets us up the pitch to at least give us some territory. And his effort gets the team working harder and the crowd more vocal, all good. I certainly notice when he is out of the team. But hey its all about opinions.
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Oct 27, 2019 12:15:49 GMT
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Oct 27, 2019 12:15:49 GMT
One of the only shining lights in this appalling squad.
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