|
Post by ursemboys on Oct 26, 2019 21:35:19 GMT
Personally I think its down to the chuckle brothers Coates junior and Scholes that have fucked up not Sir Peter . Sad that he has lost control though. What a sad demise Thats the problem, how does he get back control without upsetting the little lad and he side kick.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 21:40:34 GMT
Scholes is employed by the Coates family the buck stops at the very top & thats were most peoples anger should be aimed. Coates employed Lambert. Coates employed Rowett. Coates employed Jones. Coates employed Ball. Coates employed Kamara. Coates is the only chairman in our history to see us in the third tier. Seems adamant on making it a third. Coates employed Macari Coates employed Pulis Coates took us to the Prem Coates took us to a FA Cup Final Coates took us to Europe... Coates may have got some things wrong but that family got a lot of things right. Protest about the players, protest about the manager, protest about the CEO but to protest against the Coates family is absolutely ludicrous.
|
|
|
Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 26, 2019 21:46:07 GMT
Coates employed Lambert. Coates employed Rowett. Coates employed Jones. Coates employed Ball. Coates employed Kamara. Coates is the only chairman in our history to see us in the third tier. Seems adamant on making it a third. Coates employed Macari Coates employed Pulis Coates took us to the Prem Coates took us to a FA Cup Final Coates took us to Europe... Coates may have got some things wrong but that family got a lot of things right. Protest about the players, protest about the manager, protest about the CEO but to protest against the Coates family is absolutely ludicrous. I agree with all that but John Coates is out if his depth, picking Rowett and Jones is enough proof of that surely.
|
|
|
Post by thevoid on Oct 26, 2019 21:48:35 GMT
I think if he had anything about him, he would stand down or resign actually. With his salary he'd have to be daft to do that. And he's certainly not daft.
|
|
|
Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 26, 2019 21:50:14 GMT
I think if he had anything about him, he would stand down or resign actually. With his salary he'd have to be daft to do that. And he's certainly not daft. Nope. You don't walk away from that kind of salary.
|
|
|
Post by shipshape on Oct 26, 2019 21:52:39 GMT
Coates employed Lambert. Coates employed Rowett. Coates employed Jones. Coates employed Ball. Coates employed Kamara. Coates is the only chairman in our history to see us in the third tier. Seems adamant on making it a third. Coates employed Macari Coates employed Pulis Coates took us to the Prem Coates took us to a FA Cup Final Coates took us to Europe... Coates may have got some things wrong but that family got a lot of things right. Protest about the players, protest about the manager, protest about the CEO but to protest against the Coates family is absolutely ludicrous. Damn right he did. So does that absolve him of what we are seeing right now? I thought we'd turned a corner after the very enjoyable Swansea win. But today has proved otherwise. His ceo, so his managers and his players. He's responsible. Of course I don't want him gone. That would be suicidal. But as we're limbering up away at forest Green Rovers next season, those good times will not make me feel better. They'll piss me off even more.
|
|
|
Post by riproaringagain on Oct 26, 2019 21:53:14 GMT
The decisions made by people running the club have been terrible with any doubt, the investment has been there, outspending everyone 2 years running in championship. Personally I don’t think you can question the Coates family other than one thing, if you put a figurehead CEO MD whatever you want to call it and ultimately performance either financially if business related or results and income for a football club. The buck stops at the man installed to run the club on their behalf, and his results year on year for the last 4 years have been totally unacceptable no question. He somehow still in a job getting a huge wage while the business he runs has dropped 34 places in the ranking, the income has massively reduced crowds have dropped and also the profile of the club has dropped dramatically. Make of it what you will but i couldnt the Glazers Roman Abramovic or other chairmen sitting in their comfy leather seats letting it go on
|
|
|
Post by 19notbeaten72 on Oct 26, 2019 21:55:26 GMT
Scholes is employed by the Coates family the buck stops at the very top & thats were most peoples anger should be aimed. Probably the most ridiculous post of the night, explain who is going to replace the Coates family. Did i say anything about replacing the Coates family. I am questioning the fact that anything Scholes does would have to be sanctioned by either Peter or Jon coates.
|
|
|
Post by rawli on Oct 26, 2019 22:07:05 GMT
But he is shit and needs to go. But yes I get your point Coates needs to sack him and now. I don't actually know what his responsibilities are. I do agree that a CE of a club that has overseen a fuck up on these proportions should be out on his ear. He should not get the stick for that though. Those who have failed, time and again, to dispense with him should. His responsibilities seem to be taking the credit when things are going well and going AWOL when the going gets tough.
|
|
|
Post by shipshape on Oct 26, 2019 22:11:28 GMT
I don't actually know what his responsibilities are. I do agree that a CE of a club that has overseen a fuck up on these proportions should be out on his ear. He should not get the stick for that though. Those who have failed, time and again, to dispense with him should. His responsibilities seem to be taking the credit when things are going well and going AWOL when the going gets tough. OK. And things have gone massively tits up recently. Blame the man responsible by all means, but shouldn't his boss take more blame for continuing to hire him?
|
|
|
Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 27, 2019 13:22:00 GMT
So not a single reason anyone can offer as to why Scholes is still here. Nothing more to be said really, he's got to go.
|
|
|
Post by followyoudown on Oct 27, 2019 14:43:53 GMT
So not a single reason anyone can offer as to why Scholes is still here. Nothing more to be said really, he's got to go. I haven't read every post but most of the complaints seem to be about the football side (managers and players) massively underperforming which isn't really part of Scholes job apart from to sign the cheques the board tell him too, that's not too say they aren't plenty of reasons you could put forward why he should be sacked but at least make it things he is responsible for.
|
|
|
Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 27, 2019 14:58:00 GMT
So not a single reason anyone can offer as to why Scholes is still here. Nothing more to be said really, he's got to go. I haven't read every post but most of the complaints seem to be about the football side (managers and players) massively underperforming which isn't really part of Scholes job apart from to sign the cheques the board tell him too, that's not too say they aren't plenty of reasons you could put forward why he should be sacked but at least make it things he is responsible for. Toptom007 highlighted it quite well below; you gotta remember the CEO is responsible for not just performance, which is clearly going so well bottom of the table and with 33 points in the 38 games NJ has managed. Along with remarkable performance in the cup competitions allowing the players to be rested for their next loss. Another particular success is the ascendance from the premier league to the wonders of the championship which presents a new challenge that the club have been looking for.
He is in charge of the club shop, thats doing really well at the minute needing to offer 20% discounts the earliest point in the season in recent memory.
He is in charge of ticket sales, thats doing really well the tannoy announcement shows that 20,000 people are buying tickets even if their seems to be empty tickets.
He is in charge of the club site, allong with the streaming service. Which has never crashed, ended early or given epilepsy sizers from its interference.
He is also in charge of the social media teams which are being up-skilled in creative writing coming up with new ways to present the amazing results going on.
He is also in charge of the clubs transfer dealings, seeing players like benik afobe to be bought for millions, sent on loan and score more goals before he was injured than any of our strikers this year. Or the magic signing of McClein who has the versatility to play equally well as a winner and as a left back and left out of the match squad.
Its really difficult for someone so skilled and has so much going on to manage all this recent success, but in the words of Peter, I dont know what the fuss is about!
(this post is sarcastic)
But still no reason as to why he is still here which is the question I originally asked. He must go now. He is the CEO and he has presided over 4 years of utter utter shit. And if all he does is sign cheques he's told to sign, then for 750k a year I'll fooking do it. He is accountable, his salary alone tells you that.
|
|
|
Post by barnscfc1 on Oct 27, 2019 17:03:01 GMT
Hes a board member so wont be dismissed
|
|
|
Post by followyoudown on Oct 27, 2019 19:08:04 GMT
I haven't read every post but most of the complaints seem to be about the football side (managers and players) massively underperforming which isn't really part of Scholes job apart from to sign the cheques the board tell him too, that's not too say they aren't plenty of reasons you could put forward why he should be sacked but at least make it things he is responsible for. Toptom007 highlighted it quite well below; you gotta remember the CEO is responsible for not just performance, which is clearly going so well bottom of the table and with 33 points in the 38 games NJ has managed. Along with remarkable performance in the cup competitions allowing the players to be rested for their next loss. Another particular success is the ascendance from the premier league to the wonders of the championship which presents a new challenge that the club have been looking for.
He is in charge of the club shop, thats doing really well at the minute needing to offer 20% discounts the earliest point in the season in recent memory.
He is in charge of ticket sales, thats doing really well the tannoy announcement shows that 20,000 people are buying tickets even if their seems to be empty tickets.
He is in charge of the club site, allong with the streaming service. Which has never crashed, ended early or given epilepsy sizers from its interference.
He is also in charge of the social media teams which are being up-skilled in creative writing coming up with new ways to present the amazing results going on.
He is also in charge of the clubs transfer dealings, seeing players like benik afobe to be bought for millions, sent on loan and score more goals before he was injured than any of our strikers this year. Or the magic signing of McClein who has the versatility to play equally well as a winner and as a left back and left out of the match squad.
Its really difficult for someone so skilled and has so much going on to manage all this recent success, but in the words of Peter, I dont know what the fuss is about!
(this post is sarcastic)
But still no reason as to why he is still here which is the question I originally asked. He must go now. He is the CEO and he has presided over 4 years of utter utter shit. And if all he does is sign cheques he's told to sign, then for 750k a year I'll fooking do it. He is accountable, his salary alone tells you that. Like I said there are plenty of things you can criticise him for in regards to the streaming / social media / general matchday experience but frankly its as barking mad to be blaming for shit signings and poor managerial appointments as it would be to credit him for any of the success under Pulis and Hughes as he is not the driving force behind any of these. Crowds are down because of the performance of the football side, hence sales are down in the club shop, his role in transfer dealings is try and bring in the players the manager wants and get rid of those he doesn't. think of it in these terms if he was to be sacked for any of the reasons listed and went to an employment tribunal who do you think wins ? The success are failure of the club rests entirely on the on-field performance which he really doesn't have any control over, he can make recommendations to the board but they don't have to listen to him its not like say of you are the CE0 of tesco where you get to make decisions on store opening / closures, promotions etc which directly affect the performance of the company.
|
|
|
Post by hooftastic on Oct 27, 2019 19:37:00 GMT
Toptom007 highlighted it quite well below; you gotta remember the CEO is responsible for not just performance, which is clearly going so well bottom of the table and with 33 points in the 38 games NJ has managed. Along with remarkable performance in the cup competitions allowing the players to be rested for their next loss. Another particular success is the ascendance from the premier league to the wonders of the championship which presents a new challenge that the club have been looking for.
He is in charge of the club shop, thats doing really well at the minute needing to offer 20% discounts the earliest point in the season in recent memory.
He is in charge of ticket sales, thats doing really well the tannoy announcement shows that 20,000 people are buying tickets even if their seems to be empty tickets.
He is in charge of the club site, allong with the streaming service. Which has never crashed, ended early or given epilepsy sizers from its interference.
He is also in charge of the social media teams which are being up-skilled in creative writing coming up with new ways to present the amazing results going on.
He is also in charge of the clubs transfer dealings, seeing players like benik afobe to be bought for millions, sent on loan and score more goals before he was injured than any of our strikers this year. Or the magic signing of McClein who has the versatility to play equally well as a winner and as a left back and left out of the match squad.
Its really difficult for someone so skilled and has so much going on to manage all this recent success, but in the words of Peter, I dont know what the fuss is about!
(this post is sarcastic)
But still no reason as to why he is still here which is the question I originally asked. He must go now. He is the CEO and he has presided over 4 years of utter utter shit. And if all he does is sign cheques he's told to sign, then for 750k a year I'll fooking do it. He is accountable, his salary alone tells you that. Like I said there are plenty of things you can criticise him for in regards to the streaming / social media / general matchday experience but frankly its as barking mad to be blaming for shit signings and poor managerial appointments as it would be to credit him for any of the success under Pulis and Hughes as he is not the driving force behind any of these. Crowds are down because of the performance of the football side, hence sales are down in the club shop, his role in transfer dealings is try and bring in the players the manager wants and get rid of those he doesn't. think of it in these terms if he was to be sacked for any of the reasons listed and went to an employment tribunal who do you think wins ? The success are failure of the club rests entirely on the on-field performance which he really doesn't have any control over, he can make recommendations to the board but they don't have to listen to him its not like say of you are the CE0 of tesco where you get to make decisions on store opening / closures, promotions etc which directly affect the performance of the company. So you're saying we should give him credit for managerial appointments made 6+ years ago? If I was in a performance review and brought up something I'd done even 12 months ago I'm pretty sure it would be treated as rather historic.
|
|
|
Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 27, 2019 19:39:09 GMT
Toptom007 highlighted it quite well below; you gotta remember the CEO is responsible for not just performance, which is clearly going so well bottom of the table and with 33 points in the 38 games NJ has managed. Along with remarkable performance in the cup competitions allowing the players to be rested for their next loss. Another particular success is the ascendance from the premier league to the wonders of the championship which presents a new challenge that the club have been looking for.
He is in charge of the club shop, thats doing really well at the minute needing to offer 20% discounts the earliest point in the season in recent memory.
He is in charge of ticket sales, thats doing really well the tannoy announcement shows that 20,000 people are buying tickets even if their seems to be empty tickets.
He is in charge of the club site, allong with the streaming service. Which has never crashed, ended early or given epilepsy sizers from its interference.
He is also in charge of the social media teams which are being up-skilled in creative writing coming up with new ways to present the amazing results going on.
He is also in charge of the clubs transfer dealings, seeing players like benik afobe to be bought for millions, sent on loan and score more goals before he was injured than any of our strikers this year. Or the magic signing of McClein who has the versatility to play equally well as a winner and as a left back and left out of the match squad.
Its really difficult for someone so skilled and has so much going on to manage all this recent success, but in the words of Peter, I dont know what the fuss is about!
(this post is sarcastic)
But still no reason as to why he is still here which is the question I originally asked. He must go now. He is the CEO and he has presided over 4 years of utter utter shit. And if all he does is sign cheques he's told to sign, then for 750k a year I'll fooking do it. He is accountable, his salary alone tells you that. Like I said there are plenty of things you can criticise him for in regards to the streaming / social media / general matchday experience but frankly its as barking mad to be blaming for shit signings and poor managerial appointments as it would be to credit him for any of the success under Pulis and Hughes as he is not the driving force behind any of these. Crowds are down because of the performance of the football side, hence sales are down in the club shop, his role in transfer dealings is try and bring in the players the manager wants and get rid of those he doesn't. think of it in these terms if he was to be sacked for any of the reasons listed and went to an employment tribunal who do you think wins ? The success are failure of the club rests entirely on the on-field performance which he really doesn't have any control over, he can make recommendations to the board but they don't have to listen to him its not like say of you are the CE0 of tesco where you get to make decisions on store opening / closures, promotions etc which directly affect the performance of the company. Fair enough. If that's all correct he seems to be earning a lot of money for being a bean counter in that case, which maybe shows why we are in the shit if they pay someone 750k a year to do more or less fuck all.
|
|
|
Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 27, 2019 20:35:12 GMT
Serious question. I mean how bad do things have to get before he is told to get lost? In response to the title of the post.......It would appear the family does.
|
|
|
Post by johnnysoul60 on Oct 27, 2019 20:46:30 GMT
It's hard now , something is wrong in the culture of the club , same for last three managers. Cant blame him for it but sometimes change needs to take place to shake things up .
|
|
|
Post by shipshape on Oct 27, 2019 21:00:51 GMT
Serious question. I mean how bad do things have to get before he is told to get lost? In response to the title of the post.......It would appear the family does. Bang fucking on. And they are the ones that matter. I've seen abuse for Scholes for years on here. Maybe it's merited. Bizarrely the powers that be, the owners, the recruiters, the retainers of these incompetents, seem to escape criticism.
|
|
|
Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 27, 2019 21:21:25 GMT
Serious question. I mean how bad do things have to get before he is told to get lost? In response to the title of the post.......It would appear the family does. Aye it would appear so, for now.
|
|
|
Post by hooftastic on Oct 27, 2019 21:27:30 GMT
Maybe he is actually protecting us from TP, Pards etc.
|
|
|
Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 27, 2019 22:42:27 GMT
Somehow,I can't see Stoke paying him £750,000 a year when we are in Div.1.
|
|
|
Post by followyoudown on Oct 28, 2019 8:18:17 GMT
Like I said there are plenty of things you can criticise him for in regards to the streaming / social media / general matchday experience but frankly its as barking mad to be blaming for shit signings and poor managerial appointments as it would be to credit him for any of the success under Pulis and Hughes as he is not the driving force behind any of these. Crowds are down because of the performance of the football side, hence sales are down in the club shop, his role in transfer dealings is try and bring in the players the manager wants and get rid of those he doesn't. think of it in these terms if he was to be sacked for any of the reasons listed and went to an employment tribunal who do you think wins ? The success are failure of the club rests entirely on the on-field performance which he really doesn't have any control over, he can make recommendations to the board but they don't have to listen to him its not like say of you are the CE0 of tesco where you get to make decisions on store opening / closures, promotions etc which directly affect the performance of the company. So you're saying we should give him credit for managerial appointments made 6+ years ago? If I was in a performance review and brought up something I'd done even 12 months ago I'm pretty sure it would be treated as rather historic. No I am saying he would have minimal input into the choice of manager so he deserves no credit for the success of managers just like their failure is not his fault, plenty of stuff he can be criticised for but it seems only at Stoke do we expect the CEO to double as director of football.
|
|
|
Post by march4 on Oct 28, 2019 9:04:01 GMT
So you're saying we should give him credit for managerial appointments made 6+ years ago? If I was in a performance review and brought up something I'd done even 12 months ago I'm pretty sure it would be treated as rather historic. No I am saying he would have minimal input into the choice of manager so he deserves no credit for the success of managers just like their failure is not his fault, plenty of stuff he can be criticised for but it seems only at Stoke do we expect the CEO to double as director of football. Didn’t he claim that he suggested Hughes as manager? Or has my ancient, feeble brain gone awry again?
|
|
|
Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Oct 28, 2019 9:13:21 GMT
So you're saying we should give him credit for managerial appointments made 6+ years ago? If I was in a performance review and brought up something I'd done even 12 months ago I'm pretty sure it would be treated as rather historic. No I am saying he would have minimal input into the choice of manager so he deserves no credit for the success of managers just like their failure is not his fault, plenty of stuff he can be criticised for but it seems only at Stoke do we expect the CEO to double as director of football. That’s partially the fault of the club for not changing the structure to match contemporary requirements, much how Manchester United have ended up with a banker making key footballing decision. Adapt or die, and we’re currently dying whilst we let this decrepit club structure endure.
|
|
|
Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 28, 2019 9:29:13 GMT
Serious question. I mean how bad do things have to get before he is told to get lost? When I first saw the title of the thread I immediately thought it was an old post reincarnated following our relegation, then I thought it might be last August and finally I realise it’s current. Strange how the answer to the same question remains a mystery to the many.
|
|
|
Post by nottsover60 on Oct 28, 2019 9:51:06 GMT
We can't afford to sack him as he earns more than our managers.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 13:28:02 GMT
We can't afford to sack him as he earns more than our managers. [/quote That’s assuming he was given a 3 or 4 year deal in his role as CEO as a manager or player would. I suspect his employment contract is just like anyone else’s in the workplace. You sign your contract and stay until you leave or are sacked with no pre determined length to it. The biggest problem is that he’s on the board... who would have to sanction any move to oust the CEO. Who’s a clever weasel then.... ?
|
|
|
Post by nottsover60 on Oct 28, 2019 14:05:23 GMT
We can't afford to sack him as he earns more than our managers. [/quote That’s assuming he was given a 3 or 4 year deal in his role as CEO as a manager or player would. I suspect his employment contract is just like anyone else’s in the workplace. You sign your contract and stay until you leave or are sacked with no pre determined length to it. The biggest problem is that he’s on the board... who would have to sanction any move to oust the CEO. Who’s a clever weasel then.... ?
|
|