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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 15:58:13 GMT
He can not, and should not survive a minute longer he's a fraud and his failings are on a another level
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 26, 2019 15:58:38 GMT
Jones is an idiot - and players know it. I actually think you’re right, I think he’s got zero respect from them. Small things like hanging little motivational messages on players hangers is probably a cause of player’s sniggering at him. No buy in at all
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 26, 2019 15:59:18 GMT
Deja fun situation here with the Hughes situation 2 yrs ago. Those 2 wins could be just like the Watford win and keep him a job to our detriment.
Not sure the board have learnt anything
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 26, 2019 15:59:22 GMT
If he's a God fearing Christian as he claims he should resign tonight, tell the board to keep the money and walk. Takes the decision out of the incompetent board's hands as a bonus too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 15:59:34 GMT
I think they're waiting for him to resign, or the club to be so deep in trouble that it is easier to cut a reduced compensation deal.
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Post by Billybigbollox on Oct 26, 2019 15:59:55 GMT
That's it, surely to God? Let’s fucking hope so. Any other club would’ve lost patience with the twat long ago.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 26, 2019 16:02:02 GMT
If he had anything about him he’d walk
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 26, 2019 16:03:45 GMT
I honestly don't think its the answer in my opinion. Bigger problems running through the club that need sorting first. Sacking him is just a way of deflecting attention from the management. Isn't the "First Team Manager" a part of the management team? I suppose he is but my point is the idiots upstairs who have overseen all the madness and shit we witness every week. At some point we have to realise they are the common denominator in all this mess.
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Post by stokief on Oct 26, 2019 16:05:23 GMT
I was hoping that we were going to turn it around with him I really was. It seems likely that there aren't many managers of repute who'd be willing to take on the job and it makes no sense to sack Jones and bring in another 'hopeful' youngster with little experience but that's probably all we would get. I know I have the tin hat on as I say this but I really had wanted them to bring Tone back and then we got those wins and I thought maybe just maybe he can do it. Sheffield Wednesday was a weird one with the injuries etc but IF a corner had been turned, even without Etebo, we should've been able to make a real go of it today. Alas, no. Clueless, plodding, lacklustre, dopey first half. Business resumed after a bit of huffing and puffing going nowhere in the second I don't even know if TP would come back and take this on but if we change it has to be for someone who's tough, knows how to deal with different sorts of characters and egos and has expereince full stop.
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Oct 26, 2019 16:05:51 GMT
If only I was as good at predicting wins for my weekend acca as I am at predicting what will be written on here.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 26, 2019 16:07:22 GMT
If he had anything about him he’d walk He's not going to walk away from a pay-out. I wouldn't and I don't suspect any relatively sane person would.
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Post by loosestools on Oct 26, 2019 16:09:36 GMT
If he had anything about him he’d walk He's not going to walk away from a pay-out. I wouldn't and I don't suspect any relatively sane person would. Then he needs to hounded out, by the fans.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 26, 2019 16:11:04 GMT
He's not going to walk away from a pay-out. I wouldn't and I don't suspect any relatively sane person would. Then he needs to hounded out, by the fans. They'd be better spending their time hounding Scholes out and asking JC to step aside. That's how you'll get long term sustainable change.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Oct 26, 2019 16:27:00 GMT
That's it, surely to God? Everything is God's will, let us pray!
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Post by elystokie on Oct 26, 2019 16:39:57 GMT
The gut-wrenching disappointment is the fact that virtually every supporter could see that Ince and McClean should be nowhere near This side after swansea result. These 2 were a big part of the problem. He is hell bent of somehow shoe-horning these two footballing ghosts into the side. That should be the main reason for his sacking. Ince has done FUCK ALL to deserve a shirt all season. He is done. This club is rudderless. 4 1/2 year contracts for a defender who can’t defend then doesn’t get in the side. Depressing calamity of a fucking club. Exactly what I was going to say re Ince and McClean, I bet there's not 1 fan in 20 would select either of them let alone both, incredible that he refuses to see what is costing him his job and what is staring him in the face.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 26, 2019 16:46:50 GMT
Can the Board afford another sacking,manager plus backroom staff compo. New manager plus backroom staff coming in? Methinks we are stuck with the useless tart.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Oct 26, 2019 17:42:35 GMT
His time is up. Based on today’s line-up, he’s lost all confidence in his own system and has no earthly clue what to do next. He’s been given far more time than anyone could reasonably expect, and we just look devoid of any ideas. Make no mistake, we are now in serious fucking trouble and there is no sign he has any clue how to correct things. He’s got to go now, whether we have a replacement or not. He’s been a complete fucking disaster, and I say that as somebody who likes the bloke and really wanted to see him succeed. That's a worrying post. I am similar to you as in I like him and want him to succeed. I am not quite at your stage as I am an eternal optimist but I have to admit its getting hard not to think his time is almost done. What a mess. I’m generally an optimist as well mate, but we are headed for League One if a change isn’t made now. The blame is not all on Jones’ shoulders, but it’s clear that his record is diabolical. Whether you look at results, recruitment, tactics, performance level....he’s failing on every country and it can’t be allowed to continue. What the fuck happens next, I just don’t know. What a fucking mess.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 26, 2019 17:46:22 GMT
That's a worrying post. I am similar to you as in I like him and want him to succeed. I am not quite at your stage as I am an eternal optimist but I have to admit its getting hard not to think his time is almost done. What a mess. I’m generally an optimist as well mate, but we are headed for League One if a change isn’t made now. The blame is not all on Jones’ shoulders, but it’s clear that his record is diabolical. Whether you look at results, recruitment, tactics, performance level....he’s failing on every country and it can’t be allowed to continue. What the fuck happens next, I just don’t know. What a fucking mess. I know pal. Its a horrible horrible time to support Stoke. His record is diabolical but I just can't help thinking the environment the club have allowed to form has a lot to do with it. Truth is none of us really know. I am just clinging to the hope his enthusiasm will work eventually and the impending disaster of FFP won't be so bad. Probably can't afford to sack him anyway.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 26, 2019 17:50:03 GMT
Jones is an idiot - and players know it. I actually think you’re right, I think he’s got zero respect from them. Small things like hanging little motivational messages on players hangers is probably a cause of player’s sniggering at him. No buy in at allCome again?
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Post by shipshape on Oct 26, 2019 17:54:24 GMT
Jones needs to go, but it won't change the narrow minded, ancient way the club is run. We have mega rich owners, who don't have a clue. History is repeating itself. Coates is shite, be it potless or loaded. Give Denise a run at it. Things might just change then. We're a fifth the way through the 21st century, and he still behaves like its the 1980s
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Post by thisfootballclub on Oct 26, 2019 17:55:53 GMT
Jones needs to go, but it won't change the narrow minded, ancient way the club is run. We have mega rich owners, who don't have a clue. History is repeating itself. Coates is shite, be it potless or loaded. Give Denise a run at it. Things might just change then. We're a fifth the way through the 21st century, and he still behaves like its the 1980s She's got more sense than to get lumbered with this mess.
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Post by shipshape on Oct 26, 2019 18:03:11 GMT
Jones needs to go, but it won't change the narrow minded, ancient way the club is run. We have mega rich owners, who don't have a clue. History is repeating itself. Coates is shite, be it potless or loaded. Give Denise a run at it. Things might just change then. We're a fifth the way through the 21st century, and he still behaves like its the 1980s She's got more sense than to get lumbered with this mess. I reckon around about 2000, the Coates had a meeting and a young Denise said "we should look into this Internet thing". Peter probably said "naah duck don't talk such bollocks, a few new pens and ashtrays will do the trick". Small minded back in the day. Small minded now.
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Post by thevoid on Oct 26, 2019 18:07:03 GMT
Jones needs to go, but it won't change the narrow minded, ancient way the club is run. We have mega rich owners, who don't have a clue. History is repeating itself. Coates is shite, be it potless or loaded. Give Denise a run at it. Things might just change then. We're a fifth the way through the 21st century, and he still behaves like its the 1980s She wants nothing to do with it. It's a shame because we're headed for our third spell in the third division under daddy.
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Post by shipshape on Oct 26, 2019 18:12:37 GMT
Jones needs to go, but it won't change the narrow minded, ancient way the club is run. We have mega rich owners, who don't have a clue. History is repeating itself. Coates is shite, be it potless or loaded. Give Denise a run at it. Things might just change then. We're a fifth the way through the 21st century, and he still behaves like its the 1980s She wants nothing to do with it. It's a shame because we're headed for the third spell in the third division under daddy. I've said before that I know someone who is friends with her and she does have an interest. Perhaps she don't want to tread on any shoes. But now is the time to take control. Done it before, can do it again. Even getting her top people into the club would help.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 26, 2019 18:53:35 GMT
I actually think you’re right, I think he’s got zero respect from them. Small things like hanging little motivational messages on players hangers is probably a cause of player’s sniggering at him. No buy in at allCome again? I’m pretty sure there was an article stating/showing that Jones was leaving personalised motivational messages on each players hanger.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Oct 26, 2019 18:58:48 GMT
True but I do think another manager would get better results and performances. Maybe. I don't know. But its becoming unaffordable now in terms of FFP. Lambert failed and Rowett failed and now NJ failing. To me that means we should be looking at the reasons why they are all failing. All routes lead to the door of the CEO and JC if you ask me. I'm pretty sure the manager didnt tell the players to be second to every ball in the first half . We have had this for three years with four managers . Something in the club just isn't right.
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Post by thehoof on Oct 26, 2019 19:05:31 GMT
Anybody with a tenth of a brain knew that Jones wasn’t going to cut the cloth by the time his transfer business finished; after 23 games of his free hit season, Stoke had won 3 averaged less than a point and a goal a game while conceding for fun. His response is to sign a keeper who he deems not good enough for the bench, spend £2.5m on a Centre Half scared of his own shadow,sign a CDM that was replaced by a guy deemed surplus to requirements at Stoke, sign an AM with the durability of a tissue paper plug, a forward who has plenty of heart but is completely goal shy and people still want to stick with him? He might resurrect his career somewhere else, but he is the biggest busted flush to ever have managed at Stoke. The roles of Scholes and John Coates over the last 3 years in this debacle should also be examined by PC- a majority vote of the Directors is sufficient to remove Scholes-Dad should then ask Son to take a back seat. If we can survive in League 1 next year, perhaps the long hard road to being a vaguely competent football team can start then.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 26, 2019 19:08:57 GMT
Maybe. I don't know. But its becoming unaffordable now in terms of FFP. Lambert failed and Rowett failed and now NJ failing. To me that means we should be looking at the reasons why they are all failing. All routes lead to the door of the CEO and JC if you ask me. I'm pretty sure the manager didnt tell the players to be second to every ball in the first half . We have had this for three years with four managers . Something in the club just isn't right. A peek inside the Stoke changing roomDid you know that each Stoke player had a giant photo of himself beside his peg in the changing room?
Or individualised motivational words?
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Oct 26, 2019 19:27:27 GMT
Its been a complete dereliction of duty for nearly 4 years now with no sign of anything changing. For all there millions they are really quite shit at running a football club.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 26, 2019 19:34:41 GMT
Come again? I’m pretty sure there was an article stating/showing that Jones was leaving personalised motivational messages on each players hanger. Jesus, it just gets worse ...
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