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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 10:41:54 GMT
It happens in Scandinavia, and could easily happen here. People just need to see beyond our corrupt press, our morally bankrupt politicians on the payroll of lobbyists with their own interests at heart, those corporations making obscene profits and paying peanuts in wages. But lots can't be arsed. Or don't care. Their life is ok, and that's just how the world works isn't it? Whatever people think of Corbyn, the press and his peers often mock him because he doesn't play the game and they're afraid the status quo will be affected. They'd ignore him otherwise wouldn't they? The current government piss all over us and the press tell us it's raining. They convince the average Joe like you or I that it's the poor, or immigrants and not the elite that cause the ills in society, and scarily people fall for it hook line and sinker...... Couldn't agree more, and it's difficult to see a more corrupt situation than that surrounding medical marijuana in this country, it's incredible that a drugs minister should have to 'recuse herself' from discussions on cannabis because her partner is partly responsible for growing and exporting more of it than any other country in the world! At least she's got someone to talk to about it, since Theresa May's husband is also massively involved. And while they're doing this our own people are suffering unnecessarily because it's illegal in this country. The hypocrisy is staggering. I've never been too interested in politics but, probably through being ex service, I suppose I leaned more right than left. Not any more, they can fuck off the disingenuous twats. You see it all the time. Look at the latest CBI report on Labour's nationalisation policy. Forget whether you agree with it or not, the figure is designed to scaremonger, the way the numbers have been cut are completely disingenuous, and one of the key contributors is an advisor to the Water Companies who - shock horror - are set to be affected by it. The whole system stinks. The best thing about the technology of social media and the internet is that you don't have to put up with the shite that is fed to you these days and you can go and easily form your own opinions....... |
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Post by elystokie on Oct 15, 2019 10:53:43 GMT
Couldn't agree more, and it's difficult to see a more corrupt situation than that surrounding medical marijuana in this country, it's incredible that a drugs minister should have to 'recuse herself' from discussions on cannabis because her partner is partly responsible for growing and exporting more of it than any other country in the world! At least she's got someone to talk to about it, since Theresa May's husband is also massively involved. And while they're doing this our own people are suffering unnecessarily because it's illegal in this country. The hypocrisy is staggering. I've never been too interested in politics but, probably through being ex service, I suppose I leaned more right than left. Not any more, they can fuck off the disingenuous twats. You see it all the time. Look at the latest CBI report on Labour's nationalisation policy. Forget whether you agree with it or not, the figure is designed to scaremonger, the way the numbers have been cut are completely disingenuous, and one of the key contributors is an advisor to the Water Companies who - shock horror - are set to be affected by it. The whole system stinks. The best thing about the technology of social media and the internet is that you don't have to put up with the shite that is fed to you these days and you can go and easily form your own opinions....... Yup, if it wasn't for the internet and social media Atkins and May would've been able to happily go about their business and none of us would've been any the wiser. I genuinely don't know how they sleep at night. |
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Post by felonious on Oct 15, 2019 13:24:09 GMT
I've just been up there for a meeting with 4 of it's residents. They seem pretty happy with it's progress the one downer being they're all Everton fans although even that club seems to be getting it's long overdue investment. |
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Post by felonious on Oct 15, 2019 13:27:35 GMT
Liverpool is a fantastic city. And here are some of examples of projects either funded or part funded with EU cash: Albert Docks regeneration Queen Square Liverpool John Lennon Airport South Parkway Bus/Train Station Liverpool Echo Arena Liverpool Cruise Liner Terminal St George's Hall The Bluecoat Liverpool Anglican Cathedral £285 European Social Fund cash over 1,200 small projects across the city. £700m Object One Funding. I'm pretty sure the people that live in the city understand this as well, contributing to a 58.2% remain vote. Well that and the fact that they don't get brainwashed into a load of Sun propaganda about bendy bananas and all that shite........... How much did we pay into the EU to get that propaganda? |
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 15, 2019 16:48:14 GMT
Another reason to be proud of Stoke-on-Trent
Cabin crew and passengers have told how they were left feeling 'very nervous' as a Stoke-on-Trent dad went on a drunken mid-flight rant.
Fellow holiday-makers say they noticed Muhamed Azam visit the toilet an 'unusual number of times' as he shouted about the 'afterlife' and 'Muslim principles'.
The 37-year-old also hurled abuse at the captain, kicked a seat and claimed a glass of orange juice he was given was watered down during the five-hour flight from Manchester Airport to Morocco.
At one point he falsely accused two air hostesses of being racist when they refused his request for a full bottle of orange juice to top up a secret vodka bottle stashed beneath his seat.
Pathetic ,you really need to get another hobby duck, instead of searching out newspaper snippets of the Asian persuasion. You really do need help,I feel a little sorry for you to be honest as your entire life seems to be dominated by your fear. Didn't take a lot of searching out duck it's on the same Sentinel feed as the one you highlighted  |
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Post by songthrush01 on Oct 15, 2019 19:41:22 GMT
you mean our own money!how nice of them to give some of our money back. |
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 16, 2019 5:11:56 GMT
you mean our own money!how nice of them to give some of our money back. I think you will find the EU have given Stoke a lot more back than what the city has put in mate.A lot more. Its costs about 30 p a day |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 5:52:19 GMT
You're another one who needs to get another hobby duck, don't you get bored of running the Potteries down?  Frustrated rather than running down fella but you can spin it however you want.Wake up, the city is a shit hole and something needs to be done,or are you ok with it all. "Wake up, the city is a shit hole and something needs to be done" You mean Never let labour have so many years in control ? |
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 16, 2019 6:12:11 GMT
you mean our own money!how nice of them to give some of our money back. I think you will find the EU have given Stoke a lot more back than what the city has put in mate.A lot more. Its costs about 30 p a day How much has the City put in ? |
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 16, 2019 6:25:49 GMT
I think you will find the EU have given Stoke a lot more back than what the city has put in mate.A lot more. Its costs about 30 p a day How much has the City put in ? Seek out the info and work it out for yourself. Ive already given you a head start 34p a day. |
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 16, 2019 6:28:06 GMT
Frustrated rather than running down fella but you can spin it however you want.Wake up, the city is a shit hole and something needs to be done,or are you ok with it all. "Wake up, the city is a shit hole and something needs to be done" You mean Never let labour have so many years in control ? Has the city got any better since the tories have been in power the last ten years? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 6:34:06 GMT
"Wake up, the city is a shit hole and something needs to be done" You mean Never let labour have so many years in control ? Has the city got any better since the tories have been in power the last ten years? I’m talking control of the city.....councillors |
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 16, 2019 7:01:27 GMT
Coalition and then Tory. Yes, but the deficit is reducing, you can't expect to run a country and pay a debt off in a couple of years can you ? You said debt though. I merely highlighted how much it's increased. The USA has the world's biggest deficit, Brunei has the world's biggest surplus and it's one of the worst places to live on earth. Let's try and build a country that doesn't just use GDP as a yardstick to success but by the health and well being of it's citizens, and by the gap between the rich and poorest in society. That would be a good start...... Debt though isn’t an imaginary, theoretical thing that has no consequences. It costs. £50 billion a year. And that cost keeps going up while you are running a deficit. The Tories intended to eliminate the deficit and start reducing the debt but failed. They did succeed in reducing the deficit meaning debt, although still increasing, was not rising as fast as it could have. Of course the debt would have increased substantially under Labour because their borrowing plans to support their spend policies would have pumped that deficit much higher meaning more interest payment due on the debt. And that huge debt is both a massive long term liability and an enormous risk. It is bad news. The argument about a fairer society is a good one to have - what it should look like and how it can be achieved. But, it isn’t an answer to the question of what to do with national debt. |
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 16, 2019 7:04:57 GMT
Has the city got any better since the tories have been in power the last ten years? I’m talking control of the city.....councillors Whoever is in control of the city they all get the money from central government which has been tory. In the last 15 years Labour have only had control of the city for 4 of them.And the next elections are 2023 by which time the city will have perished beyond recognition. So has it got any better? The answer obviously is a big fat no but Labour still get the blame.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 7:11:40 GMT
I’m talking control of the city.....councillors Whoever is in control of the city they all get the money from central government which has been tory. In the last 15 years Labour have only had control of the city for 4 of them.And the next elections are 2023 by which time the city will have perished beyond recognition. So has it got any better? The answer obviously is a big fat no but Labour still get the blame. Well with that thinking we should go right to the top and blame it on our real leaders....the eu Think you'll find stoke was a shithole when labour were in power for those 13years of spend spend spend |
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 16, 2019 7:16:34 GMT
Whoever is in control of the city they all get the money from central government which has been tory. In the last 15 years Labour have only had control of the city for 4 of them.And the next elections are 2023 by which time the city will have perished beyond recognition. So has it got any better? The answer obviously is a big fat no but Labour still get the blame. Well with that thinking we should go right to the top and blame it on our real leaders....the eu Think you'll find stoke was a shithole when labour were in power for those 13years of spend spend spend It would have been even worse without the numerous deprivation grants the city has had over the years. Basically the whole politics of the country is unbalanced and in need of drastic change.Which direction you think the country should go in to change this is obviously open to conjecture.But one thing I know for sure that tory Britain has NEVER helped out the working class cities of the north.And they dont want to . Labour try but mess it up time and time again but they do try. |
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Post by felonious on Oct 16, 2019 7:16:44 GMT
you mean our own money!how nice of them to give some of our money back. I think you will find the EU have given Stoke a lot more back than what the city has put in mate.A lot more. Its costs about 30 p a day Where does the EU get it's money from? |
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 16, 2019 7:18:22 GMT
I think you will find the EU have given Stoke a lot more back than what the city has put in mate.A lot more. Its costs about 30 p a day Where does the EU get it's money from? Dont you know? As I said they give Stoke more than what Stoke pays in due to its poor area status.Hence the grants.Its simple . |
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Post by foster on Oct 16, 2019 8:22:08 GMT
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Post by felonious on Oct 16, 2019 8:36:07 GMT
I know we put in more than we get I was just hoping that Eggybread understood that. If we wasn't for Thatcher we'd have been stung for even more. The excess gets used to help competitors in other parts of Europe. |
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Post by foster on Oct 16, 2019 8:47:15 GMT
I know we put in more than we get I was just hoping that Eggybread understood that. If we wasn't for Thatcher we'd have been stung for even more. The excess gets used to help competitors in other parts of Europe. It's all swings and roundabouts. As other EU economies get stronger and more self-sufficient, they contribute more and the already stronger countries then contribute less. It's a bit like regeneration projects in the UK except on a much larger scale. It's all weighted based on the previous years GDP, so if the UK economy shrinks they would pay less the following year. If it grows as a result of EU membership then it contributes more. The same rules apply to all members. I think the issue is where people believe these funds will go if they don't go to the EU. Leavers believe that the funds will go the parts of the UK that need investment the most. Remainers think it will be lost due to the extra costs we incur by not being in the EU... and even if it isn't, it will just go into the politicians and fatcats pockets. We've just spent a fortune on Brexit preparations. Where was this money when it was needed for the NHS or SOT or other more worthwhile causes. The fact is that the funds have been there all along but the government never felt it important enough to use them. I would assume the same will apply indefinitely whether we stay in or leave the EU. Politicians don't give a fuck about normal people and are giving out a false sense of hope which will result in only them and the rich benefiting from Brexit. |
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 16, 2019 11:12:54 GMT
How much has the City put in ? Seek out the info and work it out for yourself. Ive already given you a head start 34p a day. Don't be shy you appear to have the concrete figures at hand 30p a day for the whole of Stoke-on-Trent |
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Post by somersetstokie on Oct 16, 2019 11:24:24 GMT
I don't remember who was in power locally at the time, as I didn't have that much interest in politics back then, but I am pretty sure that in the 1970's Stoke City Council were seen as being quite innovative, particularly with regard to environmental issues. Someone back then was responsible for the creation of the Hanley Forest Park, and the landscaping of the coal tips, and I think Stoke was the first City to create urban "Greenways" where the old railway lines used to go. I haven't lived in Stoke for years, but thats what I recall.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 16, 2019 12:54:10 GMT
I don't remember who was in power locally at the time, as I didn't have that much interest in politics back then, but I am pretty sure that in the 1970's Stoke City Council were seen as being quite innovative, particularly with regard to environmental issues. Someone back then was responsible for the creation of the Hanley Forest Park, and the landscaping of the coal tips, and I think Stoke was the first City to create urban "Greenways" where the old railway lines used to go. I haven't lived in Stoke for years, but thats what I recall. Knew I'd seen something that related to this! Thanks to whoever off here pointed us in the direction of this excellent website, I've already spent hours perusing it  www.macearchive.org/films/atv-today-16051972-stoke-trent-bus-tour |
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Post by elystokie on Oct 16, 2019 14:03:01 GMT
I've lived in a few places, none have been as 'deprived' as the area in which I now reside. The last house I lived in before this was a detached house right by a river, in nearly an acre of land and surrounded by (very flat and boring) open countryside. The next door neighbour on one side had spent over 20 years inside, he'd been done for mansaughter then killed someone else whilst incarcerated, needless to say he was somewhat 'institutionalised'. Prior to that we lived in a semi detached house on the outskirts of Portsmouth in what was considered quite a 'posh' area, only a couple of the neighbours spoke to each other, on one side they had a 40 year old son still living at home who's main interest seemed to be perving my then missus at every opportunity, she found it quite unsettling, the other side was a couple that never spoke to us, or anyone else as far as I saw, in the 3 years we lived there. I was going to write something saying how friendly, helpful and genuine the people are in the deprived area in which I now reside but the Sentinel have done it for me. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/bailiffs-benefits-best-community-welcome-3432003.amp |
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Post by Claus_SCFC on Oct 16, 2019 14:29:26 GMT
I've lived in a few places, none have been as 'deprived' as the area in which I now reside. The last house I lived in before this was a detached house right by a river, in nearly an acre of land and surrounded by (very flat and boring) open countryside. The next door neighbour on one side had spent over 20 years inside, he'd been done for mansaughter then killed someone else whilst incarcerated, needless to say he was somewhat 'institutionalised'. Prior to that we lived in a semi detached house on the outskirts of Portsmouth in what was considered quite a 'posh' area, only a couple of the neighbours spoke to each other, on one side they had a 40 year old son still living at home who's main interest seemed to be perving my then missus at every opportunity, she found it quite unsettling, the other side was a couple that never spoke to us, or anyone else as far as I saw, in the 3 years we lived there. I was going to write something saying how friendly, helpful and genuine the people are in the deprived area in which I now reside but the Sentinel have done it for me. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/bailiffs-benefits-best-community-welcome-3432003.ampDid you treat the journalist to a Saturday night at the Holybush Inn, mate?  |
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Post by elystokie on Oct 16, 2019 15:07:26 GMT
I've lived in a few places, none have been as 'deprived' as the area in which I now reside. The last house I lived in before this was a detached house right by a river, in nearly an acre of land and surrounded by (very flat and boring) open countryside. The next door neighbour on one side had spent over 20 years inside, he'd been done for mansaughter then killed someone else whilst incarcerated, needless to say he was somewhat 'institutionalised'. Prior to that we lived in a semi detached house on the outskirts of Portsmouth in what was considered quite a 'posh' area, only a couple of the neighbours spoke to each other, on one side they had a 40 year old son still living at home who's main interest seemed to be perving my then missus at every opportunity, she found it quite unsettling, the other side was a couple that never spoke to us, or anyone else as far as I saw, in the 3 years we lived there. I was going to write something saying how friendly, helpful and genuine the people are in the deprived area in which I now reside but the Sentinel have done it for me. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/bailiffs-benefits-best-community-welcome-3432003.ampDid you treat the journalist to a Saturday night at the Holybush Inn, mate? Haha, that's a completely different article  |
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Post by songthrush01 on Oct 16, 2019 16:11:58 GMT
you mean our own money!how nice of them to give some of our money back. I think you will find the EU have given Stoke a lot more back than what the city has put in mate.A lot more. Its costs about 30 p a day has it really! where your facts and proof for that mate. |
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Post by Boothen on Oct 16, 2019 17:22:42 GMT
I think you will find the EU have given Stoke a lot more back than what the city has put in mate.A lot more. Its costs about 30 p a day Really? Speaking as someone who used to work in the department responsible for all dealings within, and around, the European Social Fund I'd beg to differ. |
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Post by felonious on Oct 16, 2019 17:42:53 GMT
I've lived in a few places, none have been as 'deprived' as the area in which I now reside. The last house I lived in before this was a detached house right by a river, in nearly an acre of land and surrounded by (very flat and boring) open countryside. The next door neighbour on one side had spent over 20 years inside, he'd been done for mansaughter then killed someone else whilst incarcerated, needless to say he was somewhat 'institutionalised'. Prior to that we lived in a semi detached house on the outskirts of Portsmouth in what was considered quite a 'posh' area, only a couple of the neighbours spoke to each other, on one side they had a 40 year old son still living at home who's main interest seemed to be perving my then missus at every opportunity, she found it quite unsettling, the other side was a couple that never spoke to us, or anyone else as far as I saw, in the 3 years we lived there. I was going to write something saying how friendly, helpful and genuine the people are in the deprived area in which I now reside but the Sentinel have done it for me. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/bailiffs-benefits-best-community-welcome-3432003.ampMate the Potters Arf goes up Anchor Road and through Dividy Road/Beverley Drive and onto the Abbey. There's seriously no warmer response that runners get in any race in the area. I'm reporting on what people tell me from outside the area although I've had the same experience. |
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