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Post by serpico on Dec 22, 2019 21:11:57 GMT
So these racists that are being empowered by the words of a 17 year old article aren’t aware that Johnson has many people from different ethnic backgrounds working in high profile positions in his cabinet ? How does that empower racists when they see him flanked by these people ? They are empowered by a man who uses xenophobic rhetoric to (directly or indirectly) condone anti-immigrant beliefs. You are right in that I'm not sure Johnson does it with any hatred of immigrants so much as he does it to get votes, knowing that it will galvanise many into that position. ive Not heard Johnson making any disparaging remarks about immigrants at all, maybe I missed them ? ive heard him talk about the levels of immigration, to some that’s enough to mark him as a racist I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 21:19:05 GMT
They are empowered by a man who uses xenophobic rhetoric to (directly or indirectly) condone anti-immigrant beliefs. You are right in that I'm not sure Johnson does it with any hatred of immigrants so much as he does it to get votes, knowing that it will galvanise many into that position. ive Not heard Johnson making any disparaging remarks about immigrants at all, maybe I missed them ? ive heard him talk about the levels of immigration, to some that’s enough to mark him as a racist I suppose. Okay, we're not going to agree. Search 'Boris Johnson Immigrants' on google if you want to see.
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Post by serpico on Dec 22, 2019 21:20:33 GMT
Look, go after Johnson’s polices, fine, but I think the racist claim is unwarranted, just the same as I thought the anti Semitic charge against Corbyn was unwarranted, as far as I can see neither man is racist or prejudice in any way.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 22, 2019 21:21:03 GMT
Certain sections of society are feeling emboldened under this Government and this Prime Minister and that is a cast iron fact.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 22, 2019 21:23:51 GMT
Certain sections of society are feeling emboldened under this Government and this Prime Minister and that is a cast iron fact. I just like the fact he upsets you Losers still moaning about losing
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 22, 2019 21:26:00 GMT
Certain sections of society are feeling emboldened under this Government and this Prime Minister and that is a cast iron fact. I just like the fact he upsets you Losers still moaning about losing Dangerous right wing loons feeling emboldened isn't about me or anyone else. It's fucking frightening.
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Post by serpico on Dec 22, 2019 21:26:28 GMT
Certain sections of society are feeling emboldened under this Government and this Prime Minister and that is a cast iron fact. So what’s emboldening them ? Is it Johnson’s multi ethnic cabinet ? ... if they think Johnson is with them then they’re stupid, this is boris Johnson, not Enoch Powell! He’s hardly going around delivering rivers of blood type speeches, is he ? He’s only considered controversial because we’re living in a world that takes offence to absolutely everything. what he said about the burka is no worse than Emily thornberry saying she wouldn’t allow her kids to be looked after by a veiled women, was she emboldening racists ?
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Post by serpico on Dec 22, 2019 21:42:00 GMT
I just like the fact he upsets you Losers still moaning about losing Dangerous right wing loons feeling emboldened isn't about me or anyone else. It's fucking frightening. This is wheeled out after every defeat, you were saying this in 2016 after brexit but nothing has happened, there’s been no big uprising of white nationalist groups. The same happened in the US, the left trying to grab some kind of moral victory from defeat by claiming the victors have unleashed racism, bollocks.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Dec 22, 2019 21:43:41 GMT
Certain sections of society are feeling emboldened under this Government and this Prime Minister and that is a cast iron fact. So what’s emboldening them ? Is it Johnson’s multi ethnic cabinet ? ... if they think Johnson is with them then they’re stupid, this is boris Johnson, not Enoch Powell! He’s hardly going around delivering rivers of blood type speeches, is he ? He’s only considered controversial because we’re living in a world that takes offence to absolutely everything. what he said about the burka is no worse than Emily thornberry saying she wouldn’t allow her kids to be looked after by a veiled women, was she emboldening racists ? Thornberry added that it was 'certain careers' that they shouldn't be allowed to wear them (nursing, childcare) and also it was important that juries were allowed to see peoples faces during court. I would argue, only just, that is slightly different to comparing someone to a letterbox or a bank robber for newspaper views. However they are similar in their approach, one is accepted and one is used to firm up an arguement depending on your viewpoint. Personally I think they should be banned.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 22, 2019 21:48:05 GMT
Dangerous right wing loons feeling emboldened isn't about me or anyone else. It's fucking frightening. This is wheeled out after every defeat, you were saying this in 2016 after brexit but nothing has happened, there’s been no big uprising of white nationalist groups. The same happened in the US, the left trying to grab some kind of moral victory from defeat by claiming the victors have unleashed racism, bollocks. Hate crimes have doubled since 2013. Scum is emboldened and that's that.
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Post by serpico on Dec 22, 2019 21:51:21 GMT
So what’s emboldening them ? Is it Johnson’s multi ethnic cabinet ? ... if they think Johnson is with them then they’re stupid, this is boris Johnson, not Enoch Powell! He’s hardly going around delivering rivers of blood type speeches, is he ? He’s only considered controversial because we’re living in a world that takes offence to absolutely everything. what he said about the burka is no worse than Emily thornberry saying she wouldn’t allow her kids to be looked after by a veiled women, was she emboldening racists ? Thornberry added that it was 'certain careers' that they shouldn't be allowed to wear them (nursing, childcare) and also it was important that juries were allowed to see peoples faces during court. I would argue, only just, that is slightly different to comparing someone to a letterbox or a bank robber for newspaper views. However they are similar in their approach, one is accepted and one is used to firm up an arguement depending on your viewpoint. Personally I think they should be banned. It was an observation, and in my view a correct one, they do look like letterboxes, And bank robbers do cover their faces, do they not ? And the big kicker is I think Boris was arguing for their right to wear them in that article ? Wasn’t he ? I’d have to go check but I think he was basically arguing in favour of religious expression but thinks they shouldn’t be allowed in certain settings IE a bank.
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 22, 2019 21:51:30 GMT
ive Not heard Johnson making any disparaging remarks about immigrants at all, maybe I missed them ? ive heard him talk about the levels of immigration, to some that’s enough to mark him as a racist I suppose. Okay, we're not going to agree. Search 'Boris Johnson Immigrants' on google if you want to see. Yes and make sure to particularly read the one where he suggests illegal immigrants who have been here for 10 years should be given amnesty and citizenship so they can start paying tax......
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 22, 2019 22:01:51 GMT
This is wheeled out after every defeat, you were saying this in 2016 after brexit but nothing has happened, there’s been no big uprising of white nationalist groups. The same happened in the US, the left trying to grab some kind of moral victory from defeat by claiming the victors have unleashed racism, bollocks. Hate crimes have doubled since 2013. Scum is emboldened and that's that. Reported hate crimes have doubled if the police and the hate crime industry are going to push reporting to the police then of course more people will report hate crimes with the range of hurty feelings to vile racist abuse. Just last week people wanted JK Rowling charged for saying live you life how you want and as what you want but basically biologically if you were born a man you die a man.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 22, 2019 22:08:30 GMT
Hate crimes have doubled since 2013. Scum is emboldened and that's that. Reported hate crimes have doubled if the police and the hate crime industry are going to push reporting to the police then of course more people will report hate crimes with the range of hurty feelings to vile racist abuse. Just last week people wanted JK Rowling charged for saying live you life how you want and as what you want but basically biologically if you were born a man you die a man. Gender Politics make me feel quite old mate, I'm very much live and let live but I stay out of it!
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 22, 2019 22:26:51 GMT
Reported hate crimes have doubled if the police and the hate crime industry are going to push reporting to the police then of course more people will report hate crimes with the range of hurty feelings to vile racist abuse. Just last week people wanted JK Rowling charged for saying live you life how you want and as what you want but basically biologically if you were born a man you die a man. Gender Politics make me feel quite old mate, I'm very much live and let live but I stay out of it! I agree mate but some of the stuff going on in womans sports or the case of the woman sacked for saying similar to Rowling or the NHS calling trans woman / men for cervical smears / testicular cancer tests, the world is going mad... Call yourself what you want dress how you want, piss in whichever toilet you want but facts are facts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 22:28:13 GMT
Hate crimes have doubled since 2013. Scum is emboldened and that's that. Reported hate crimes have doubled if the police and the hate crime industry are going to push reporting to the police then of course more people will report hate crimes with the range of hurty feelings to vile racist abuse. Just last week people wanted JK Rowling charged for saying live you life how you want and as what you want but basically biologically if you were born a man you die a man.That's because she was scientifically wrong, ignorant and inciting prejudice on a societal group that has been incredibly harshly vilified.
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Post by serpico on Dec 22, 2019 22:33:30 GMT
ive Not heard Johnson making any disparaging remarks about immigrants at all, maybe I missed them ? ive heard him talk about the levels of immigration, to some that’s enough to mark him as a racist I suppose. Okay, we're not going to agree. Search 'Boris Johnson Immigrants' on google if you want to see. I think what a lot of lefties are doing is projecting an image of a man they want Johnson to be, they want him to be this giant racist, they need him to be a racist, their entire thing is about being the good anti racist and they need the opposition to be the bad guy, but theres a problem, systemic racism doesn’t really exist anymore, we’re basically living in the least racist country the world has ever seen, so they have to go quote mining in articles from almost 2 decades ago to find something that can be twisted to make it seem like Johnson is racist, you see this everywhere, people actively going looking for anything that can be construed as racist IE people counting the amount of lines a black person has in the latest Hollywood blockbuster. The left have always been anti racist, which is great, but that war has been won, you’re not going to get a less racist country than 2019 uk, of course that doesn’t mean there aren’t pockets of it, but does anyone seriously believe that can ever be fully expunged ? There’s always going to be a few idiots, but essentially the UK is not a racist country, not by a long chalk and Johnson by any measure can not be labelled a racist, because he’s patently isn’t one.
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 22, 2019 22:33:59 GMT
Reported hate crimes have doubled if the police and the hate crime industry are going to push reporting to the police then of course more people will report hate crimes with the range of hurty feelings to vile racist abuse. Just last week people wanted JK Rowling charged for saying live you life how you want and as what you want but basically biologically if you were born a man you die a man.That's because she was scientifically wrong, ignorant and inciting prejudice on a societal group that has been incredibly harshly vilified. She wasn't wrong be whatever gender you want and live as whatever gender you want biologically however you cant change the sex you were born with.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 22:41:16 GMT
That's because she was scientifically wrong, ignorant and inciting prejudice on a societal group that has been incredibly harshly vilified. She wasn't wrong be whatever gender you want and live as whatever gender you want biologically however you cant change the sex you were born with. That is completely scientifically, demonstrably false. Biological sex is neither binary nor static. blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/stop-using-phony-science-to-justify-transphobia/
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 22, 2019 22:46:21 GMT
Ok I'll play along then if its not biological surely there is no need for the whole cis woman / trans woman distinction just call yourself a woman job done.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 22:48:56 GMT
Ok I'll play along then if its not biological surely there is no need for the whole cis woman / trans woman distinction just call yourself a woman job done. I agree and I imagine so do most trans people. But unfortunately, society is slow to accept them and is incredibly intolerant towards sex being seen as non-binary.
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Post by serpico on Dec 22, 2019 22:49:40 GMT
So you’ll be perfectly ok for someone who was born a man, has a massive plonker and balls, claim they’re biologically a women and use women’s changing rooms etc ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 22:51:40 GMT
So you’ll be perfectly ok for someone who was born a man, has a massive plonker and balls, claim they’re biologically a women and use women’s changing rooms etc ? Yes.
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Post by serpico on Dec 22, 2019 22:57:30 GMT
So you’ll be perfectly ok for someone who was born a man, has a massive plonker and balls, claim they’re biologically a women and use women’s changing rooms etc ? Yes. I think you’re in a very small minority with that viewpoint, I imagine most women’s rights groups would disagree with you as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 22:59:17 GMT
I think you’re in a very small minority with that viewpoint, I imagine most women’s rights groups would disagree with you as well. They might well do. They'd be forgetting how many unisex changing rooms exist.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 22, 2019 23:00:12 GMT
So you’ll be perfectly ok for someone who was born a man, has a massive plonker and balls, claim they’re biologically a women and use women’s changing rooms etc ? Yes. The world has gone mad. Dude... Seriously?
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 22, 2019 23:01:02 GMT
I can absolutely guarantee without doubt that 99.9% of people on this board and the rest of the country won't have a fucking clue what that link is proving or disproving. The only thing I noticed in all the scientific presentation was that there were references to male and female.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 23:04:38 GMT
I can absolutely guarantee without doubt that 99.9% of people on this board and the rest of the country won't have a fucking clue what that link is proving or disproving. The only thing I noticed in all the scientific presentation was that there were references to male and female. It shows that sex is based on more chromosomes, and is not a binary, static thing, but a spectrum that shifts and changes.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 22, 2019 23:05:50 GMT
I see the lovey dovey, wealthy London elite, happy clapper, socialist anoraks are out in force. Unbelievable that the prime minister is being blamed for an idiot fan at a football match. The world is going mad. What's worse is people are taking Gary Neville as some kind of credible political voice.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 23:06:10 GMT
The world has gone mad. Dude... Seriously? I assume you've never heard of a unisex changing room?
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