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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 29, 2019 15:09:43 GMT
It's painful to think about the pig's ear we've made of this since relegation (it was bad enough before).
When we were relegated, we came down with a number of high-earning players who it's proved impossible or at least difficult to shift. Mauritz Bauer, Kevin Wimmer, Bruno Martins-Indi, Erik Pieters, Badou N'Diaye, Gianelli Imbula, mame Diouf, Saido Berahino (there may be more i've forgotten). None of these guys were wanted, yet all would have been on decent money and most of them still are.
Thinking about what we've done with them is absolutely painful.
Mauritz Bauer- not the best full-back in the world, but would have been an Ok back-up to Edwards this year while we sorted out other, more-pressing positions. Alright, we've managed to get his wages (or some of them) off the books for a while, but we now have Tommy smith on board as well, who looks no better than either Edwards or Bauer and cost us £4 million.
Erik Pieters- This is the worst decision I've ever seen. Pieters was an OK defensive left-back, competent and steady, and someone who would have been absolutely fine as first-choice LB for a few years at this level. Now starting in the Prem for Burnley every week, for the sake of us pocketing £1 million for him. As a replacement, we have an OAP who Burnley let go. WTF?
Kevin Wimmer- Signed for a preposterous fee, and not good enough for the Premier League, but I'd be amazed if Wimmer wouldn't have been a better option than Baath, Lindsay or CCV. Never mind, we're effectively paying all four of them now.
Bruno Martins-Indi - Another we've been trying to get rid of, yet as soon as he's come back into the team, he's proven that he's actually our best defender.
Badou N'Diaye- I don't blame the club as much for this one, seeing as he was the one chucking his toys out of the pram, but now he's back he's showing his class.
Gianelli Imbula- If N'Diaye's back in he fold, why couldn't we have done more with Imbula? We've been paying most of his wages (you'd imagine) for the last two years. I know his attitude stinks, but he'd have absolutely smashed it at this level. Instead we're now paying Ryan woods and Jordan Cousins, as well as Imbula, to do whatever the opposite of smashing it is.
Mame diouf- a bit of a carthorse I know, but was it good business to spend £12m and £9m on two strikers in Afobe and Vokes who probably aren't even as good as him now, even at the age of 31?
Saido Berahino- he's the one exception to the point I'm about to make as he's quite clearly got a screw loose.
Basically, in most cases these players weren't good enough for the Premier League, but BMI and N'Diaye (and Pieters arguably) have shown that the Championship's a different kettle of fish. They're all on decent money, but with the strategy we've taken, not only are we having to pay THEM, we're now having to pay the completely new team we've signed to replace them, who might all be decent lads and conscientious pros and all the rest of it, but the problem is that they're fucking shit at football.
If we were going to take the view that we wanted the Wimmers of this world out of this squad, then surely it would have been better not to go signing replacements until we'd found buyers? If we couldn't find someone to take them then we should have played them...not signed a load more, even shitter players on top.
Our squad now resembles an overflowing portaloo that one bloke started crapping in to and it's now been shat into by three or four others. Even Dynarod can't deal with the fucking mess that's been left.
Whoever comes in as the next manager, if I was Coatesy, i'd ban all incoming transfers until we've got rid of 90% of this shit we've accumulated. Get the Under 23s in if we have to, but we can't keep adding and adding and adding, it's getting ridiculous.
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Post by jarhead on Sept 29, 2019 15:29:57 GMT
Absolutely spot on.
Couldn’t of put it better myself tbh.
The Mess just keeps on growing. We are a complete shambles.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 15:36:01 GMT
Trousers,
Look at my West Brom thread. There is a link to the transfer business they have done since being relegated. They have managed to ship out their big earners for money whereas we haven't and have resorted to loaning them out. That is the big issue and the big difference between the two clubs - ditto Swansea.
We've hamstrung ourselves with poor business in the first place - overpaying in both fees and wages to create an impossible puzzle that only Einstein could come close to solving.
As for playing them, not a chance if they aren't arsed.
Looking at your list and the list of how much we've spent on those players, i'm at a loss as to how we could spend so much over so long on players that just don't have the raw ingredients to do the job they were bought for.
Bauer - can't defend
Imbula - can't / won't run / defend
Wimmer - can't defend
Berahino - can't get fit
Diouf - can't finish
54M on that little lot + fees and wages. Criminal.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 29, 2019 15:42:33 GMT
It's painful to think about the pig's ear we've made of this since relegation (it was bad enough before). When we were relegated, we came down with a number of high-earning players who it's proved impossible or at least difficult to shift. Mauritz Bauer, Kevin Wimmer, Bruno Martins-Indi, Erik Pieters, Badou N'Diaye, Gianelli Imbula, mame Diouf, Saido Berahino (there may be more i've forgotten). None of these guys were wanted, yet all would have been on decent money and most of them still are. Thinking about what we've done with them is absolutely painful. Mauritz Bauer- not the best full-back in the world, but would have been an Ok back-up to Edwards this year while we sorted out other, more-pressing positions. Alright, we've managed to get his wages (or some of them) off the books for a while, but we now have Tommy smith on board as well, who looks no better than either Edwards or Bauer and cost us £4 million. Erik Pieters- This is the worst decision I've ever seen. Pieters was an OK defensive left-back, competent and steady, and someone who would have been absolutely fine as first-choice LB for a few years at this level. Now starting in the Prem for Burnley every week, for the sake of us pocketing £1 million for him. As a replacement, we have an OAP who Burnley let go. WTF? Kevin Wimmer- Signed for a preposterous fee, and not good enough for the Premier League, but I'd be amazed if Wimmer wouldn't have been a better option than Baath, Lindsay or CCV. Never mind, we're effectively paying all four of them now. Bruno Martins-Indi - Another we've been trying to get rid of, yet as soon as he's come back into the team, he's proven that he's actually our best defender. Badou N'Diaye- I don't blame the club as much for this one, seeing as he was the one chucking his toys out of the pram, but now he's back he's showing his class. Gianelli Imbula- If N'Diaye's back in he fold, why couldn't we have done more with Imbula? We've been paying most of his wages (you'd imagine) for the last two years. I know his attitude stinks, but he'd have absolutely smashed it at this level. Instead we're now paying Ryan woods and Jordan Cousins, as well as Imbula, to do whatever the opposite of smashing it is. Mame diouf- a bit of a carthorse I know, but was it good business to spend £12m and £9m on two strikers in Afobe and Vokes who probably aren't even as good as him now, even at the age of 31? Saido Berahino- he's the one exception to the point I'm about to make as he's quite clearly got a screw loose. Basically, in most cases these players weren't good enough for the Premier League, but BMI and N'Diaye (and Pieters arguably) have shown that the Championship's a different kettle of fish. They're all on decent money, but with the strategy we've taken, not only are we having to pay THEM, we're now having to pay the completely new team we've signed to replace them, who might all be decent lads and conscientious pros and all the rest of it, but the problem is that they're fucking shit at football. If we were going to take the view that we wanted the Wimmers of this world out of this squad, then surely it would have been better not to go signing replacements until we'd found buyers? If we couldn't find someone to take them then we should have played them...not signed a load more, even shitter players on top. Our squad now resembles an overflowing portaloo that one bloke started crapping in to and it's now been shat into by three or four others. Even Dynarod can't deal with the fucking mess that's been left. Whoever comes in as the next manager, if I was Coatesy, i'd ban all incoming transfers until we've got rid of 90% of this shit we've accumulated. Get the Under 23s in if we have to, but we can't keep adding and adding and adding, it's getting ridiculous. The Pieters sale was absolute lunacy even from the mad man in charge hopefully it will cost him his job, replacing him with Ward was possibly even more mentalist. |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 29, 2019 15:46:59 GMT
Great post that, absolutely bang on the money 👏
The Pieters one is particularly galling as he is doing the business at Burnley (set another up yesterday)
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Post by ColonelMustard on Sept 29, 2019 15:47:13 GMT
On being relegated we seemed determined to get a championship level squad.
In our second we seemed desperate to assemble a squad that could get promotion from league one.
We have failed sell or even to loan out players who dont want to play for us. Of which there seem to be plenty.
We have a manager determined to play a system that doesnt match the squad and regardless of the opposition.
We have plumbed new depths of compounding complacency and poor decisions with more complacency and poor decisions.
We were always likely to get relegated at some point and we've had some rotten luck. However, there is no excuse for the grotesquely expensive shambles the next man will inherit.
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Post by cooper67 on Sept 29, 2019 15:47:29 GMT
It's painful to think about the pig's ear we've made of this since relegation (it was bad enough before). When we were relegated, we came down with a number of high-earning players who it's proved impossible or at least difficult to shift. Mauritz Bauer, Kevin Wimmer, Bruno Martins-Indi, Erik Pieters, Badou N'Diaye, Gianelli Imbula, mame Diouf, Saido Berahino (there may be more i've forgotten). None of these guys were wanted, yet all would have been on decent money and most of them still are. Thinking about what we've done with them is absolutely painful. Mauritz Bauer- not the best full-back in the world, but would have been an Ok back-up to Edwards this year while we sorted out other, more-pressing positions. Alright, we've managed to get his wages (or some of them) off the books for a while, but we now have Tommy smith on board as well, who looks no better than either Edwards or Bauer and cost us £4 million. Erik Pieters- This is the worst decision I've ever seen. Pieters was an OK defensive left-back, competent and steady, and someone who would have been absolutely fine as first-choice LB for a few years at this level. Now starting in the Prem for Burnley every week, for the sake of us pocketing £1 million for him. As a replacement, we have an OAP who Burnley let go. WTF? Kevin Wimmer- Signed for a preposterous fee, and not good enough for the Premier League, but I'd be amazed if Wimmer wouldn't have been a better option than Baath, Lindsay or CCV. Never mind, we're effectively paying all four of them now. Bruno Martins-Indi - Another we've been trying to get rid of, yet as soon as he's come back into the team, he's proven that he's actually our best defender. Badou N'Diaye- I don't blame the club as much for this one, seeing as he was the one chucking his toys out of the pram, but now he's back he's showing his class. Gianelli Imbula- If N'Diaye's back in he fold, why couldn't we have done more with Imbula? We've been paying most of his wages (you'd imagine) for the last two years. I know his attitude stinks, but he'd have absolutely smashed it at this level. Instead we're now paying Ryan woods and Jordan Cousins, as well as Imbula, to do whatever the opposite of smashing it is. Mame diouf- a bit of a carthorse I know, but was it good business to spend £12m and £9m on two strikers in Afobe and Vokes who probably aren't even as good as him now, even at the age of 31? Saido Berahino- he's the one exception to the point I'm about to make as he's quite clearly got a screw loose. Basically, in most cases these players weren't good enough for the Premier League, but BMI and N'Diaye (and Pieters arguably) have shown that the Championship's a different kettle of fish. They're all on decent money, but with the strategy we've taken, not only are we having to pay THEM, we're now having to pay the completely new team we've signed to replace them, who might all be decent lads and conscientious pros and all the rest of it, but the problem is that they're fucking shit at football. If we were going to take the view that we wanted the Wimmers of this world out of this squad, then surely it would have been better not to go signing replacements until we'd found buyers? If we couldn't find someone to take them then we should have played them...not signed a load more, even shitter players on top. Our squad now resembles an overflowing portaloo that one bloke started crapping in to and it's now been shat into by three or four others. Even Dynarod can't deal with the fucking mess that's been left. Whoever comes in as the next manager, if I was Coatesy, i'd ban all incoming transfers until we've got rid of 90% of this shit we've accumulated. Get the Under 23s in if we have to, but we can't keep adding and adding and adding, it's getting ridiculous. Well said Neil. |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 29, 2019 15:50:50 GMT
On being relegated we seemed determined to get a championship level squad. In our second we seemed desperate to assemble a squad that could get promotion from league one. We have failed sell or even to loan out players who dont want to play for us. Of which there seem to be plenty. We have a manager determined to play a system that doesnt match the squad and regardless of the opposition. We have plumbed new depths of compounding complacency and poor decisions with more complacency and poor decisions. We were always likely to get relegated at some point and we've had some rotten luck. However, there is no excuse for the grotesquely expensive shambles the next man will inherit. Why would you sign players to replace players who have not left ? why would you sign the pile of shit Jones has signed full stop ? |
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 29, 2019 15:55:00 GMT
I had no idea we sold Pieters for only £1m, to a premier league team.
Burnley (and all other teams) must love dealing with us. We have truly had the piss taken out of us by all and sundry.
CEO out.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 29, 2019 16:00:24 GMT
Good OP.
It does seem that last summer was like a young child was taken to the toy shop and told you can have whatever you want but daddy has had his fingers burnt with buying expensive toys (which are still in the attic/garage) so you can't buy any more of them.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 29, 2019 16:05:41 GMT
I had no idea we sold Pieters for only £1m, to a premier league team. Burnley (and all other teams) must love dealing with us. We have truly had the piss taken out of us by all and sundry. CEO out. £9 million for Sam Vokes FFS You are right, they must love us |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Sept 29, 2019 16:09:48 GMT
TD your post is accurate but has been posted before in many different guises - That is not to say it is not relevant
However the same theme is the same theme - despite the money we are a very badly run club with no one seemingly learning any lessons
They pull the loans - we are knackered
They stay in charge without root and branch change - well we will keep repeating this thread
Swansea and WBA invited/forced upon significant change and …………..
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Post by canaladict on Sept 29, 2019 16:11:18 GMT
On being relegated we seemed determined to get a championship level squad. In our second we seemed desperate to assemble a squad that could get promotion from league one. We have failed sell or even to loan out players who dont want to play for us. Of which there seem to be plenty. We have a manager determined to play a system that doesnt match the squad and regardless of the opposition. We have plumbed new depths of compounding complacency and poor decisions with more complacency and poor decisions. We were always likely to get relegated at some point and we've had some rotten luck. However, there is no excuse for the grotesquely expensive shambles the next man will inherit. Why would you sign players to replace players who have not left ? why would you sign the pile of shit Jones has signed full stop ? Maybe these players wanted a guarantee that they would play or that they just simply wanted to leave. Onwards and Upwards |
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 29, 2019 16:20:54 GMT
One of the main issues (not the only one of course) is that the board pander too much to the manager and let him have free rein with seemingly nobody saying about a transfer 'hey hang on a minute'. I know there are many on here who believe it's all Tony Scholes's fault, and some of the shit contract negotiations are clearly at his door, but Hughes Rowett and Jones have recruited absolute garbage without due diligence or careful consideration as to whether it's the right signing. I don't blame Peter Coates one bit for the player recruitment shambles, he seems like a well meaning grandad always saying yes to his grandson. The hierarchy of this club has been a problem for some time. Scholes, too much power for someone not qualified in football terms, stick to bean counting sunshine/ Peter Coates already mentioned is too keen to say yes, John Fitzgerald knows about as much about running a football club at a high level as I do. Nothing I repeat nothing will change until the board bring in a hugely experienced guy at DOF level to take the club forward. Christ knows with all their wealth the owners could afford just about anyone in Europe to oversee a transformation of the club. Sadly it's a closed shop and we will blunder from one season to another...we are currently light years away from returning to the top level  |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 29, 2019 16:26:58 GMT
With the exception of the Eric Pieters debacle, I’ve banged on and on about this since relegation as the main cause of our demise..
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Post by dreamtheater on Sept 29, 2019 16:31:25 GMT
Yep, you can read all this and say the current manager is culpable during his tenure but again you have to look deeper at the club and for at least two years longer to discover who is really culpable.😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑😑
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 29, 2019 16:58:32 GMT
Why would you sign players to replace players who have not left ? why would you sign the pile of shit Jones has signed full stop ? Maybe these players wanted a guarantee that they would play or that they just simply wanted to leave. Onwards and Upwards But they were still here so why replace them ? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 29, 2019 17:02:10 GMT
I said when we were relegated that the first two things we needed to do were sell Allen and Butland. I never expected us to do much with Wimmer, Imbula etc but these two were on big wages and good reputations still.
My thoughts on both of them are well known. I never thought either of them would be a miss and 18 months down the line they are public enemy #1 and 2 for me still in this squad player wise. But now we won’t get 8 figure fees for either.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 17:05:15 GMT
If you're talking about squad management, then out of last five, Lambert has probably been the best, because he was willing to work with what was left to him; he was offered the chance to buy in the window but he was happy with what was there (for which he could be criticised if the thread title was different).
Hughes for the first couple of years was good too; he did bring in players but they were initially very good; and he was willing to work with the vast majority of players bequeathed to him by Pulis (hush not a word about Huth), and he made some of them better. What happened after those first couple of years is subject of many other threads.
Pulis in many ways was good too, even though there was a huge turnover of players who either never or very rarely played. But he also had a supremely high rate of success stories of players bought for very little who became rock pillars as Stoke became great.
Rowett was never interested in managing SCFC although he was hired; he just wanted to join a biggish club before he took the next step into the PL or the England job for which his name had been mentioned for in the national press. He had no interest in the players who were here, except those with international pedigree, and even less in our Academy prospects. He just wanted to have HIS team. He signed nine players, and had he stayed he would signed another nine, and another nine next time. That's 27, and no one that we knew last summer before he came would be here then.
Jones is quite similar. He too couldn't wait to get rid of then current players, some loyal to the club, so he too could have a team in his image. He just became so obsessed both with the getting ridand hiring at all costs. Quality just never entered his mind for either. He got rid of quality and he did not bring in quality, by and large.
If I can allow myself some gloating it will be a long time, possibly never, before Rowett's name gets mentioned for the national job, and Jones is unlikely to be descrribed as one of the pretty young things too.
Of these five managers, I would say, big egos got in the way of their squad management for four of them, with Lambert as the exception (but he then became the biggest failure up until this point),
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Post by Goonie on Sept 29, 2019 17:07:10 GMT
I could never understand selling Huth, who was so awful he went on to win the league
Bardsley was another one - go pro, bit of a tough nut, our type of DNA
Oh well
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Post by Goonie on Sept 29, 2019 17:08:37 GMT
If you're talking about squad management, then out of last five, Lambert has probably been the best, because he was willing to work with what was left to him; he was offered the chance to buy in the window but he was happy with what was there (for which he could be criticised if the thread title was different). Hughes for the first couple of years was good too; he did bring in players but they were initially very good; and he was willing to work with the vast majority of players bequeathed to him by Pulis (hush not a word about Huth), and he made some of them better. What happened after those first couple of years is subject of many other threads. Pulis in many ways was good too, even though there was a huge turnover of players who either never or very rarely played. But he also had a supremely high rate of success stories of players bought for very little who became rock pillars as Stoke became great. Rowett was never interested in managing SCFC although he was hired; he just wanted to join a biggish club before he took the next step into the PL or the England job for which his name had been mentioned for in the national press. He had no interest in the players who were here, except those with international pedigree, and even less in our Academy prospects. He just wanted to have HIS team. He signed nine players, and had he stayed he would signed another nine, and another nine next time. That's 27, and no one that we knew last summer before he came would be here then. Jones is quite similar. He too couldn't wait to get rid of then current players, some loyal to the club, so he too could have a team in his image. He just became so obsessed both with the getting ridand hiring at all costs. Quality just never entered his mind for either. He got rid of quality and he did not bring in quality, by and large. If I can allow myself some gloating it will be a long time, possibly never, before Rowett's name gets mentioned for the national job, and Jones is unlikely to be descrribed as one of the pretty young things too. Of these five managers, I would say, big egos got in the way of their squad management for four of them, with Lambert as the exception (but he then became the biggest failure up until this point), Rowett for the England job? What paper wa that? The Sunday Sport? |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 29, 2019 17:28:58 GMT
Trousers, Look at my West Brom thread. There is a link to the transfer business they have done since being relegated. They have managed to ship out their big earners for money whereas we haven't and have resorted to loaning them out. That is the big issue and the big difference between the two clubs - ditto Swansea. We've hamstrung ourselves with poor business in the first place - overpaying in both fees and wages to create an impossible puzzle that only Einstein could come close to solving. As for playing them, not a chance if they aren't arsed. Looking at your list and the list of how much we've spent on those players, i'm at a loss as to how we could spend so much over so long on players that just don't have the raw ingredients to do the job they were bought for. Bauer - can't defend Imbula - can't / won't run / defend Wimmer - can't defend Berahino - can't get fit Diouf - can't finish 54M on that little lot + fees and wages. Criminal. Yet scholes avoids all blame and still has a job. Someone at the club should explain just how this can be. |
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Post by wilfherman on Sept 29, 2019 17:30:05 GMT
The fact all the players ran to the Family Stand corner flag to celebrate after our first on Friday was telling. They all blanked NJ, preferring to keep it in house. Compare that with Shaqiri cuddling Lambert when he scored against Palace
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 17:36:21 GMT
If you're talking about squad management, then out of last five, Lambert has probably been the best, because he was willing to work with what was left to him; he was offered the chance to buy in the window but he was happy with what was there (for which he could be criticised if the thread title was different). Hughes for the first couple of years was good too; he did bring in players but they were initially very good; and he was willing to work with the vast majority of players bequeathed to him by Pulis (hush not a word about Huth), and he made some of them better. What happened after those first couple of years is subject of many other threads. Pulis in many ways was good too, even though there was a huge turnover of players who either never or very rarely played. But he also had a supremely high rate of success stories of players bought for very little who became rock pillars as Stoke became great. Rowett was never interested in managing SCFC although he was hired; he just wanted to join a biggish club before he took the next step into the PL or the England job for which his name had been mentioned for in the national press. He had no interest in the players who were here, except those with international pedigree, and even less in our Academy prospects. He just wanted to have HIS team. He signed nine players, and had he stayed he would signed another nine, and another nine next time. That's 27, and no one that we knew last summer before he came would be here then. Jones is quite similar. He too couldn't wait to get rid of then current players, some loyal to the club, so he too could have a team in his image. He just became so obsessed both with the getting ridand hiring at all costs. Quality just never entered his mind for either. He got rid of quality and he did not bring in quality, by and large. If I can allow myself some gloating it will be a long time, possibly never, before Rowett's name gets mentioned for the national job, and Jones is unlikely to be descrribed as one of the pretty young things too. Of these five managers, I would say, big egos got in the way of their squad management for four of them, with Lambert as the exception (but he then became the biggest failure up until this point), Rowett for the England job? What paper wa that? The Sunday Sport? It was either the Guardian or the Independent. Or both. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 29, 2019 17:38:10 GMT
Scholes out.
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Post by leicspotter on Sept 29, 2019 18:32:57 GMT
It's painful to think about the pig's ear we've made of this since relegation (it was bad enough before). When we were relegated, we came down with a number of high-earning players who it's proved impossible or at least difficult to shift. Mauritz Bauer, Kevin Wimmer, Bruno Martins-Indi, Erik Pieters, Badou N'Diaye, Gianelli Imbula, mame Diouf, Saido Berahino (there may be more i've forgotten). None of these guys were wanted, yet all would have been on decent money and most of them still are. Thinking about what we've done with them is absolutely painful. Mauritz Bauer- not the best full-back in the world, but would have been an Ok back-up to Edwards this year while we sorted out other, more-pressing positions. Alright, we've managed to get his wages (or some of them) off the books for a while, but we now have Tommy smith on board as well, who looks no better than either Edwards or Bauer and cost us £4 million. Erik Pieters- This is the worst decision I've ever seen. Pieters was an OK defensive left-back, competent and steady, and someone who would have been absolutely fine as first-choice LB for a few years at this level. Now starting in the Prem for Burnley every week, for the sake of us pocketing £1 million for him. As a replacement, we have an OAP who Burnley let go. WTF? Kevin Wimmer- Signed for a preposterous fee, and not good enough for the Premier League, but I'd be amazed if Wimmer wouldn't have been a better option than Baath, Lindsay or CCV. Never mind, we're effectively paying all four of them now. Bruno Martins-Indi - Another we've been trying to get rid of, yet as soon as he's come back into the team, he's proven that he's actually our best defender. Badou N'Diaye- I don't blame the club as much for this one, seeing as he was the one chucking his toys out of the pram, but now he's back he's showing his class. Gianelli Imbula- If N'Diaye's back in he fold, why couldn't we have done more with Imbula? We've been paying most of his wages (you'd imagine) for the last two years. I know his attitude stinks, but he'd have absolutely smashed it at this level. Instead we're now paying Ryan woods and Jordan Cousins, as well as Imbula, to do whatever the opposite of smashing it is. Mame diouf- a bit of a carthorse I know, but was it good business to spend £12m and £9m on two strikers in Afobe and Vokes who probably aren't even as good as him now, even at the age of 31? Saido Berahino- he's the one exception to the point I'm about to make as he's quite clearly got a screw loose. Basically, in most cases these players weren't good enough for the Premier League, but BMI and N'Diaye (and Pieters arguably) have shown that the Championship's a different kettle of fish. They're all on decent money, but with the strategy we've taken, not only are we having to pay THEM, we're now having to pay the completely new team we've signed to replace them, who might all be decent lads and conscientious pros and all the rest of it, but the problem is that they're fucking shit at football. If we were going to take the view that we wanted the Wimmers of this world out of this squad, then surely it would have been better not to go signing replacements until we'd found buyers? If we couldn't find someone to take them then we should have played them...not signed a load more, even shitter players on top. Our squad now resembles an overflowing portaloo that one bloke started crapping in to and it's now been shat into by three or four others. Even Dynarod can't deal with the fucking mess that's been left. Whoever comes in as the next manager, if I was Coatesy, i'd ban all incoming transfers until we've got rid of 90% of this shit we've accumulated. Get the Under 23s in if we have to, but we can't keep adding and adding and adding, it's getting ridiculous. Surely the question is, who has decided these players have to go? Is it really Jones, or is their collective attitude such that they cannot play, or don't want to play, for us anymore? For my money I would be looking at Scholes and Cartwright. Jones has shown that he is prepared to give Badou a chance, even if it's just a "shop window" for him. Can you really believe that Imbulla would even want to turn out? I agree we need to get rid of players, but we have all seen that this is not an easy thing to do, even Saido proved difficult to shift. I have a sneaking feeling that at least half of our new signings had more to do with FFP than what Jones wanted...how else can anyone explain Cousins?  |
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Post by dreamtheater on Sept 29, 2019 18:40:16 GMT
Scholes out Scholes out Scholes out Scholes out Scholes out Scholes out Scholes out Scholes out Scholes out Scholes out Scholes out Scholes out Scholes out Scholes out Scholes out Scholes out Scholes out Scholes out Scholes out Scholes out Scholes out enough ? 🙍♂️
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 29, 2019 18:43:53 GMT
It's painful to think about the pig's ear we've made of this since relegation (it was bad enough before). When we were relegated, we came down with a number of high-earning players who it's proved impossible or at least difficult to shift. Mauritz Bauer, Kevin Wimmer, Bruno Martins-Indi, Erik Pieters, Badou N'Diaye, Gianelli Imbula, mame Diouf, Saido Berahino (there may be more i've forgotten). None of these guys were wanted, yet all would have been on decent money and most of them still are. Thinking about what we've done with them is absolutely painful. Mauritz Bauer- not the best full-back in the world, but would have been an Ok back-up to Edwards this year while we sorted out other, more-pressing positions. Alright, we've managed to get his wages (or some of them) off the books for a while, but we now have Tommy smith on board as well, who looks no better than either Edwards or Bauer and cost us £4 million. Erik Pieters- This is the worst decision I've ever seen. Pieters was an OK defensive left-back, competent and steady, and someone who would have been absolutely fine as first-choice LB for a few years at this level. Now starting in the Prem for Burnley every week, for the sake of us pocketing £1 million for him. As a replacement, we have an OAP who Burnley let go. WTF? Kevin Wimmer- Signed for a preposterous fee, and not good enough for the Premier League, but I'd be amazed if Wimmer wouldn't have been a better option than Baath, Lindsay or CCV. Never mind, we're effectively paying all four of them now. Bruno Martins-Indi - Another we've been trying to get rid of, yet as soon as he's come back into the team, he's proven that he's actually our best defender. Badou N'Diaye- I don't blame the club as much for this one, seeing as he was the one chucking his toys out of the pram, but now he's back he's showing his class. Gianelli Imbula- If N'Diaye's back in he fold, why couldn't we have done more with Imbula? We've been paying most of his wages (you'd imagine) for the last two years. I know his attitude stinks, but he'd have absolutely smashed it at this level. Instead we're now paying Ryan woods and Jordan Cousins, as well as Imbula, to do whatever the opposite of smashing it is. Mame diouf- a bit of a carthorse I know, but was it good business to spend £12m and £9m on two strikers in Afobe and Vokes who probably aren't even as good as him now, even at the age of 31? Saido Berahino- he's the one exception to the point I'm about to make as he's quite clearly got a screw loose. Basically, in most cases these players weren't good enough for the Premier League, but BMI and N'Diaye (and Pieters arguably) have shown that the Championship's a different kettle of fish. They're all on decent money, but with the strategy we've taken, not only are we having to pay THEM, we're now having to pay the completely new team we've signed to replace them, who might all be decent lads and conscientious pros and all the rest of it, but the problem is that they're fucking shit at football. If we were going to take the view that we wanted the Wimmers of this world out of this squad, then surely it would have been better not to go signing replacements until we'd found buyers? If we couldn't find someone to take them then we should have played them...not signed a load more, even shitter players on top. Our squad now resembles an overflowing portaloo that one bloke started crapping in to and it's now been shat into by three or four others. Even Dynarod can't deal with the fucking mess that's been left. Whoever comes in as the next manager, if I was Coatesy, i'd ban all incoming transfers until we've got rid of 90% of this shit we've accumulated. Get the Under 23s in if we have to, but we can't keep adding and adding and adding, it's getting ridiculous. You missed out Choupo-Moting... And oh do you remember the choruses of “Bring on Leeds” What a deluded bunch of cnuts. I bet they voted BrexitXx |
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Post by shipshape on Sept 29, 2019 18:52:38 GMT
I'd like to think the manager, who has great belief in his own ability, would have tried to get Imbula back on track. Seemed like he was jettisoned without a second thought. No effort to bring him back into the fold. That's what good managers do. Perhaps he really is a lost cause but no effort seems to have been made. He would piss it in this league. And Diouf who frustrated the shit out of me in the top flight should have been given a chance. It's like he was told you can't use these players no matter what
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 19:01:07 GMT
I'd like to think the manager, who has great belief in his own ability, would have tried to get Imbula back on track. Seemed like he was jettisoned without a second thought. No effort to bring him back into the fold. That's what good managers do. Perhaps he really is a lost cause but no effort seems to have been made. He would piss it in this league. And Diouf who frustrated the shit out of me in the top flight should have been given a chance. It's like he was told you can't use these players no matter what I'm very disappointed that scfc and Imbula never became a success; but he never wanted to come here, and when he came anyway, sort of railroaded in, blinded by excessive fees and wages, he still couldn't wait to get away. No amount of great belief could have changed that. I agree about Diouf though. He was never given a proper chance, although he didn't exactly help himself with his demonstrative attitude towards NJ. |
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