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Post by ravey123 on Sept 29, 2019 11:21:55 GMT
Federici Smith - Baath - BMI - Clucas Ndiaye - Etebo Ince - Powell - McClean Gregory I mean I don't want to play Ince but who else do we actually have as an option really, maybe could lash Campbell out there and just see what he can do with his pace I suppose. move mciean across to the right and piay cambell left.Mclean played on the right last season and did well Ince - no, no, no
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 11:22:18 GMT
Federici Smith - Baath - BMI - Clucas Ndiaye - Etebo Ince - Powell - McClean Gregory I mean I don't want to play Ince but who else do we actually have as an option really, maybe could lash Campbell out there and just see what he can do with his pace I suppose. Rather put him in left McClean can’t cross for toffee n could potentially see clucas at left back although don’t feel ward did too bad at Leeds in cup McClean can cross for toffee,he just can't cross to a teammate 😁
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 11:25:59 GMT
Davies
Edwards Batth Indi Corrigan
Etebo Sorensen Badou Ngoy
Gregory Campbell
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 11:27:04 GMT
Does anyone actually play 442 anymore, i always find it a bloody awful formation.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 29, 2019 11:51:32 GMT
Does anyone actually play 442 anymore, i always find it a bloody awful formation. Correct - hardly anyone plays it for good reason - it's lumbering and predictable. The England team carried on playing it throughout the 1970s when the rest of the world had moved on - and failed to qualify for the 1974 and 1978 world cup finals as a result. That era brought is the late great Johan Cruyff who revolutionised football with the Netherlands and later as a manager at Barcelona - which is the foundation of modern day elite football - and you can see those advances finally leaching into all levels of professional football in England. Calls for 442 feels like a cry to forget the last 40 years ever happened.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 11:52:11 GMT
So is every alternative, why we got rid of Verlinden I cannot comprehend. To a point yes. Pieters died for this. The thing is I was sort of on board with that because A. I assumed he would be getting in another left back (not Ward) and B. he was going to stick with his diamond and pushing wingbacks thing which he bottled pretty much immediately.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 11:53:29 GMT
So is every alternative, why we got rid of Verlinden I cannot comprehend. To a point yes. Pieters died for this. Quite ironically he also assisted a Burnley goal yesterday from a cross too
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 29, 2019 12:44:50 GMT
It doesn't matter what formation we play,there will be far too many poor players in it to get a result,unless Huddersfield are a lot worse than us.
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Post by bloodtypered on Sept 29, 2019 14:44:51 GMT
The season defining game....a must win for NJ and stoke
I would go with same team as against Nottingham forest...maybe Hogan with Gregory
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 14:57:09 GMT
Stoke will play 4 4 fucking 2 😂
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 15:04:52 GMT
Davies
Smith, Batth, CCV, BMI
Powell, Etebo, Ndiaye, McLean
Gregory, Hogan
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 29, 2019 15:28:35 GMT
.................Butland................ Smith.......Batth.......Indi.......Clucas ...............Allen..Badou.............. Ince...............................Etebo ............Powell....Gregory............ Subs: Davies, Edwards, Carter-Vickers, Woods, McClean, Vokes, Campbell. Allen has been rested for 3 games now and should add a lot of energy. We only have Ward at left back, but I don't want to play him. I'm also tempted to use Vokes as I'm hoping for a lot of crosses with Ince and Etebo out wide, but as Gregory scored on Friday he gets another chance. When I look at this line-up it's almost unbelievable we only have 2 point out of 24 so far!!!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 29, 2019 18:09:16 GMT
Seven goals if you include the one away at Leeds in the cup Butland was a very good keeper He's having the season from hell Obviously he has to be dropped for a long spell Sadly Federici isn't very good Maybe the new Manager will play Davies? Is that...is that a poem Lord? It's his response to a plaintive letter he received from Nathan Jones: Oh, Lord B my trouble so hard, Oh, Lord B my trouble so hard, Don't nobody know my trouble but God? Don't nobody know my trouble but God?
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Post by VolvicStokie on Sept 29, 2019 18:13:31 GMT
I don't think there was much wrong with Fridays lineup
We were fan fucking tastic first half.
I'd take Jack back out and Edwards though to be honest. Those making error after error have to be held responsible in some format.
As much as I think McClean is wank... He's probably going to stay in. But if I was Jones I'd put Joe Allen back in where Clucas was and put Clucas left back.
Badou Etebo HAVE to start.
As does Nick Powell
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Post by mattyd on Sept 29, 2019 18:14:24 GMT
Does anyone actually play 442 anymore, i always find it a bloody awful formation. Goalies especially hate it, as they don't even get a mention.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 29, 2019 18:30:33 GMT
Butland is a liability and McClean is one of the few players who has actually put in a proper shift in every game - and is the only left winger we have on the books. Which given that your side appears to be based on political rather than footballing reasons is pretty apt. And 442. Really? It's a warm beer, Dame Vera Lynn singing the White Cliffs of Dover, back to good old Blighty, jumpers for goalposts formation. Hardly anyone at the top level plays this anymore - and for good reason. It's pedestrian, predictable and easily pulled part by teams playing a more fluid, dynamic formation. And on top of that - like it or not - the players haven't been coached to play that way either under Jones or, quite probably, previous managers. 442 isn't something ingrained in the genes of every British player - professional footballers don't simply morph naturally into a 442 unstoppable juggernaut when given the chance - like a werewolf going all woolfy at the sight of a full moon. If you're feeling nostalgic Tuesday why not just stay in and watch a re-run of Dads Army on the telly? Personally I like these Fancy Dan continental formations. To paraphrase Peter Kay - overlapping wing backs, supplementing a dynamic, offset front 2, with late running midfielders piercing the gaps in a static back four. It's the future. I've tasted it. Sadly when you've got a squad of laboured journeyman British footballers 4-4-2 is the safest option. I would love to see a continental type swagger about our team as they embark on a fluid 5-3-2, 3-5-2 to 4-2-3-1 or any other such clever formation but unfortunately we are chocked full of slow unfit labourers and under the circumstances a solid 4-4-2 is something the thick fuckers might be able to understand and adhere to.
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Sept 29, 2019 18:40:53 GMT
Federici Smith - Baath - BMI - Clucas Ndiaye - Etebo Ince - Powell - McClean Gregory I mean I don't want to play Ince but who else do we actually have as an option really, maybe could lash Campbell out there and just see what he can do with his pace I suppose. My thoughts exactly, shame Clucas has to go left back really, as I think he's one of only few playes that is improving slightly.
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Post by lordb on Sept 29, 2019 18:41:11 GMT
Seven goals if you include the one away at Leeds in the cup Butland was a very good keeper He's having the season from hell Obviously he has to be dropped for a long spell Sadly Federici isn't very good Maybe the new Manager will play Davies? Davies is much worse than Federici. I've not seen him so I don't know. He was the keeper in the League One side of the year last season so he must have something about him. If he's no good then we've got a problem
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Post by stokie1954 on Sept 29, 2019 18:41:26 GMT
When you're manager is a clown and a gibbering wreck and when most of the squad are just lazy feckers or complete shit, formations and tactics mean fuck all!.
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Post by lordb on Sept 29, 2019 18:42:52 GMT
Does anyone actually play 442 anymore, i always find it a bloody awful formation. Correct - hardly anyone plays it for good reason - it's lumbering and predictable. The England team carried on playing it throughout the 1970s when the rest of the world had moved on - and failed to qualify for the 1974 and 1978 world cup finals as a result. That era brought is the late great Johan Cruyff who revolutionised football with the Netherlands and later as a manager at Barcelona - which is the foundation of modern day elite football - and you can see those advances finally leaching into all levels of professional football in England. Calls for 442 feels like a cry to forget the last 40 years ever happened. And yet Leicester won the League playing it. We have to play two up front, that doesn't rules out a fair few formations.
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Post by lordb on Sept 29, 2019 18:44:55 GMT
I don't think there was much wrong with Fridays lineup We were fan fucking tastic first half. I'd take Jack back out and Edwards though to be honest. Those making error after error have to be held responsible in some format. As much as I think McClean is wank... He's probably going to stay in. But if I was Jones I'd put Joe Allen back in where Clucas was and put Clucas left back. Badou Etebo HAVE to start. As does Nick Powell Yes we played wet but we gave goals away That's down to individuals, something we can't resolve till January. What do you need to stay up, fifty points? We need twenty minimum by Jan Going to be tough.
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Post by VolvicStokie on Sept 29, 2019 19:00:23 GMT
Exactly my point. We brought Davies in to replace Jack. Yes he's fell out with Jones but we can't keep putting Jack in. His confidence is shot. His career in the top bracket of keepers is effectively down the shitter, and we simply cannot keep playing well only for him to fuck it up.
Whatever happens. Tuesday is yet another must win. There's a good team in there somewhere, and of course over a season individuals will cost you points with the odd mistake... But we are having several players making the same catastrophic errors every game.
My team for Tuesday is this.. Thinking realistic as well.
Federici (prefer Davies but I don't think he'll get a sniff under Jones now)
Smith Carter-V Bruno Clucas
Etebo Allen Badou
Powell
Gregory Hogan
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Post by lordb on Sept 29, 2019 19:07:50 GMT
Exactly my point. We brought Davies in to replace Jack. Yes he's fell out with Jones but we can't keep putting Jack in. His confidence is shot. His career in the top bracket of keepers is effectively down the shitter, and we simply cannot keep playing well only for him to fuck it up. Whatever happens. Tuesday is yet another must win. There's a good team in there somewhere, and of course over a season individuals will cost you points with the odd mistake... But we are having several players making the same catastrophic errors every game. My team for Tuesday is this.. Thinking realistic as well. Federici (prefer Davies but I don't think he'll get a sniff under Jones now) Smith Carter-V Bruno Clucas Etebo Allen Badou Powell Gregory Hogan I'd play that too. Suspect Badou will be out
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Post by neilb987 on Sept 29, 2019 19:40:19 GMT
I wouln't have Ince, Edwards, Butland or Allen in the starting eleven, and I'd keep the midfield as it was on Friday. Even if I don't rate Clucas very highly he does add balance on the left. Hard to drop McClean, but he's not a left-back and would be my 'plan B' as a winger from the bench.
Thus:
............Federici
Smith. ..CCV ... Bruno ... Ward
...Etebo ...Badou ....Clucas
..........Powell ........
.....Gregory ....Hogan
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Post by bornscfcdiescfc on Sept 29, 2019 20:20:54 GMT
GK Butland LB Indi CB Baath CB Shawcross/ Carter Vickers RB Smith
DM Ndiaye LM McClean RM Ince CM Etebo
F Powell CF Gregory
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Post by melbournepotter on Sept 29, 2019 21:31:19 GMT
.................Butland................ Smith.......Batth.......Indi.......Clucas ...............Allen..Badou.............. Ince...............................Etebo ............Powell....Gregory............ Subs: Davies, Edwards, Carter-Vickers, Woods, McClean, Vokes, Campbell. Allen has been rested for 3 games now and should add a lot of energy. We only have Ward at left back, but I don't want to play him. I'm also tempted to use Vokes as I'm hoping for a lot of crosses with Ince and Etebo out wide, but as Gregory scored on Friday he gets another chance. When I look at this line-up it's almost unbelievable we only have 2 point out of 24 so far!!! in the absence of a number of options (verlinden, shawcross, bauer), that team looks about the best we could hope for. Mclean for me just doesnt do enough damage (if any) when he crosses, he works hard but is suspect in defence and his crosses/passes when in good position are woeful. He seems to be able to finish though, and is certainly mobile/energetic so could he put himself about as a central striker ? Edwards needs to show more strength and resilience both in mind and body at this level. The only other possible change would be the keeper, Federici or Davies to come in. Edited ti include Diouf....where has he gone. i thought he did ok at right wing back a couple of years ago but has dissappeared. surely worth an opportunity here ?
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Post by TheProletarian on Sept 29, 2019 22:49:18 GMT
Relegation 6 pointer here lads. Some would argue we would possibly benefit from losing but let me be the first to say: fUcK oFf tO tHe VaLe.
Starting lineup with Jonesy I was thinking
Butland
McClean - Lindsay - BMI - Smith
Woods
N’daiye - Etebo
Ince
Gregory - Campbell
But no doubt jones will role the dice again and try for the 9 changes.
God I need some sleep.
Good night all
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Post by dally on Sept 29, 2019 23:18:43 GMT
I'll make a prediction from 20000Kms away - Stoke 3 Huddersfield 0 I remember watching the 62-63 season 3 points from the first 6 matches and then pipped Chelsea by one point to top the table and promotion. The master stroke was Tony Waddington signing Eddie Clamp who scared the hell out of the opposition including Chopper Harris of Chelsea but also some of his own players. Win games or make Eddie angry and they chose the win option
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Sept 29, 2019 23:28:55 GMT
He best not play one up top again.
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Post by sheds1862 on Sept 30, 2019 5:46:05 GMT
I'll make a prediction from 20000Kms away - Stoke 3 Huddersfield 0 I remember watching the 62-63 season 3 points from the first 6 matches and then pipped Chelsea by one point to top the table and promotion. The master stroke was Tony Waddington signing Eddie Clamp who scared the hell out of the opposition including Chopper Harris of Chelsea but also some of his own players. Win games or make Eddie angry and they chose the win option Are you sure about Harris ? My old man is a big Chelski fan. Harris barely played around the time you say Clamp scared him as Harris was only 18 and only played 7 games in their promotion.
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