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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2019 23:41:07 GMT
Let’s be honest not a soul on here has any idea and simply jump on the Scholes bandwagon.
Whatever the situation though, one things for certain and that’s the next manager needs to be the right choice or this club is in a huge mess.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 27, 2019 23:41:56 GMT
Let’s be honest not a soul on here has any idea and simply jump on the Scholes bandwagon. Whatever the situation though, one things for certain and that’s the next manager needs to be the right choice or this club is in a huge mess. You say that as if we’re not already in one.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 27, 2019 23:48:39 GMT
Exactly. It doesn't stack up. It doesn't make much sense but why would Liam tell us porkies? Because he's just repeating what he's been told without thinking it through fully? If they had a system that was working brilliantly but Hughes wanted more power and so the system changed accordingly, to accommodate his wishes but it ultimately failed spectacularly, leading to him getting the sack, then they wouldn't continue with the new (same) failed system would they?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 27, 2019 23:49:34 GMT
Let’s be honest not a soul on here has any idea and simply jump on the Scholes bandwagon. Whatever the situation though, one things for certain and that’s the next manager needs to be the right choice or this club is in a huge mess. Yeah the club is so clearly well run in all areas and we never experience that. HA!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 27, 2019 23:54:32 GMT
It doesn't make much sense but why would Liam tell us porkies? Because he's just repeating what he's been told without thinking it through fully? If they had a system that was working brilliantly but Hughes wanted more power and so the system changed accordingly, to accommodate his wishes but it ultimately failed spectacularly, leading to him getting the sack, then they wouldn't continue with the new (same) failed system would they? You wouldn't have thought so but there's been so many crazy decisions I wouldn't rule out anything. Maybe once they'd changed the process they thought they'd stick with it and give the managers more responsibility. Who knows.
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Post by loosestools on Sept 27, 2019 23:58:54 GMT
Managers are crazy people who would spend Coates' money like confetti. Scholes is an accountant and CEO responsible for not wasting Coates' hard earned cash.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 28, 2019 0:00:48 GMT
It’s FUBAR
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Post by loosestools on Sept 28, 2019 0:02:08 GMT
Go on, explain that acronym to me please.
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Post by eastyorksexile on Sept 28, 2019 0:26:40 GMT
Go on, explain that acronym to me please. Fooked Up Beyond All Repair.......
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 28, 2019 0:38:54 GMT
Hughes was “at least” complicit in every transfer (in/out) during his tenure.
A multi millionaire says I don’t agree with that but keep giving me my wages!!
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Post by RF10 on Sept 28, 2019 0:43:29 GMT
I mentioned this on another thread the other day but the club have trusted managers to bring in their own players regardless of age, position, character and every other attribute. For managers this is fantastic however as proven when things go wrong which they have massively then it is disastrous.
There needs to be a new clear progessive policy within the recruitment. Whether that's signing players below certain age or using a proper scouting system to identify the players to fit the style of play. I'm not encouraging a full head coach role but at present too much control has been given to manager without the correct people to support him e.g. Cartwright and Scholes. Over hundred million has been pissed away on shambles of recruitment.
It's a real shame Jones hasn't worked out as his ideas and what he has talked about is so exciting and could be a policy to stand us in good stead for many years. Yet the bizarre thing he's not even kept it to himself and for that the board have to take huge responsibility in allowing the signings made and our situation as well as Jones.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 28, 2019 0:48:40 GMT
I mentioned this on another thread the other day but the club have trusted managers to bring in their own players regardless of age, position, character and every other attribute. For managers this is fantastic however as proven when things go wrong which they have massively then it is disastrous. There needs to be a new clear progessive policy within the recruitment. Whether that's signing players below certain age or using a proper scouting system to identify the players to fit the style of play. I'm not encouraging a full head coach role but at present too much control has been given to manager without the correct people to support him e.g. Cartwright and Scholes. Over hundred million has been pissed away on shambles of recruitment. It's a real shame Jones hasn't worked out as his ideas and what he has talked about is so exciting and could be a policy to stand us in good stead for many years. Yet the bizarre thing he's not even kept it to himself and for that the board have to take huge responsibility in allowing the signings made and our situation as well as Jones. It also leaves you high and dry with players who don’t suit the style of a new man with a completely different phillosophy. There’s no continuity between managers at the club, and that is a void that must be filled by appointing someone between the manager and the board. The club basically needs to stick to and make a plan that extends beyond the obvious “let’s try and win and stuff”.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 28, 2019 1:25:23 GMT
It doesn't make much sense but why would Liam tell us porkies? Because he's just repeating what he's been told without thinking it through fully? If they had a system that was working brilliantly but Hughes wanted more power and so the system changed accordingly, to accommodate his wishes but it ultimately failed spectacularly, leading to him getting the sack, then they wouldn't continue with the new (same) failed system would they? That’s making a lot of assumptions about how the whole thing could have gone down, especially in terms of the board’s clarity of thinking about it. What Liam said could have been true, in terms of Les convincing the board to give the manager more sway. Multiple people are involved, things change and it becomes the new “process”. Just because things go wrong doesn’t mean the people involved have the insight to realise why, or the strength/vision/humility to admit a mistake and change things back when a new manager comes in.. it could just be the opinion of the person Liam spoke to about what went wrong, distilled into 45 seconds on live radio. Just being charitable about it, could it fit in with how Cartwright’s role seemed to change from “chief scout” when he arrived to “I’m not really involved” in that puff piece Spinks did in the Sentnul?
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Post by ColonelMustard on Sept 28, 2019 4:53:38 GMT
Looking at recruitment from Hughes to Rowett to Jones doesnt it appear like 3 distinctly different strategies?
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Post by whakka on Sept 28, 2019 5:04:22 GMT
Hopefully jones has his man in now with regards transfers whether jones gets the time to see if he can help him is another matter
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 28, 2019 5:48:43 GMT
It doesn't make much sense but why would Liam tell us porkies? Because he's just repeating what he's been told without thinking it through fully? If they had a system that was working brilliantly but Hughes wanted more power and so the system changed accordingly, to accommodate his wishes but it ultimately failed spectacularly, leading to him getting the sack, then they wouldn't continue with the new (same) failed system would they? But we made it so obvious we wanted Rowett he technically held the cards. If he said ‘I’ll get you out this league but I need my own players’ especially as we were expecting the squad to be decimated, why would the board go ‘nah, you’re alright’ at the time pretty much everyone was happy with Rowett
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 5:58:37 GMT
Hopefully jones has his man in now with regards transfers whether jones gets the time to see if he can help him is another matter And that guy fell out with Hughton at Brighton, so I can’t see Hughton coming here now unless we are sacking Chapple as well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 6:50:05 GMT
Coates said he doesn't get involved with signings, they're entirely up to the manager.....whether that means just him or the club I don't know
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Post by rawli on Sept 28, 2019 6:58:50 GMT
I can't see how the Winner, Imbula or Berahino signings went through 'the process'
I'd always assumed they were signings sanctioned by Coates after Hughes kicked off and said he wanted them.
Perhaps the managers who followed said they wanted free rein to recruit who they wanted. It would certainly explain Afobe, Ince and McLean last summer and the crap that was brought in this time.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 28, 2019 7:04:42 GMT
It’s gross incompetence and abhorrent job performance either way in the top Nov your accountable for the way the business is run, the recruitment and and the results .
The performance of executive management is utterly abhorrent by any measure indeed as is I said last night any commercial lender would be calling their loans in not to mention further destroying the P&L with significant interest .so any semblance of goofs financial Practice so often the defence lies in tatters to only the good will of the owners means we aren’t on the vet brink of survival
The role of the chief executive is completely untenable
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 28, 2019 7:33:54 GMT
Because he's just repeating what he's been told without thinking it through fully? If they had a system that was working brilliantly but Hughes wanted more power and so the system changed accordingly, to accommodate his wishes but it ultimately failed spectacularly, leading to him getting the sack, then they wouldn't continue with the new (same) failed system would they? That’s making a lot of assumptions about how the whole thing could have gone down, especially in terms of the board’s clarity of thinking about it. What Liam said could have been true, in terms of Les convincing the board to give the manager more sway. Multiple people are involved, things change and it becomes the new “process”. Just because things go wrong doesn’t mean the people involved have the insight to realise why, or the strength/vision/humility to admit a mistake and change things back when a new manager comes in.. it could just be the opinion of the person Liam spoke to about what went wrong, distilled into 45 seconds on live radio. Just being charitable about it, could it fit in with how Cartwright’s role seemed to change from “chief scout” when he arrived to “I’m not really involved” in that puff piece Spinks did in the Sentnul? Hughes was clearly heavily involved from the get-go.
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Post by wuzza on Sept 28, 2019 7:41:31 GMT
Our transfer policy has been non too subtle and is fairly easy to follow. Following the success of Arnie and glimpses of genius from Bojan and Shaq Hughes got carried away with the idea he could spot and turnaround under performing overseas talent - turns out he couldn’t. Rowett went for top end Championship performers like Ince and Afobe - turns out they aren’t. Jones thought he had an insight into character and work rate - turns out they were just mediocre / poor players. It’s a catalogue of managerial mistakes funded to their cost by an ownership that didn’t have effective checks in place. A strong and informed Director of Football type individual has been sadly missing.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 28, 2019 7:44:09 GMT
Our transfer policy has been non too subtle and is fairly easy to follow. Following the success of Arnie and glimpses of genius from Bojan and Shaq Hughes got carried away with the idea he could spot and turnaround under performing overseas talent - turns out he couldn’t. Rowett went for top end Championship performers like Ince and Afobe - turns out they aren’t. Jones thought he had an insight into character and work rate - turns out they were just mediocre / poor players. It’s a catalogue of managerial mistakes funded to their cost by an ownership that didn’t have effective checks in place. A strong and informed Director of Football type individual has been sadly missing. That’s basically it in a nutshell I think.
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Post by loosestools on Sept 28, 2019 7:45:07 GMT
Our transfer policy has been non too subtle and is fairly easy to follow. Following the success of Arnie and glimpses of genius from Bojan and Shaq Hughes got carried away with the idea he could spot and turnaround under performing overseas talent - turns out he couldn’t. Rowett went for top end Championship performers like Ince and Afobe - turns out they aren’t. Jones thought he had an insight into character and work rate - turns out they were just mediocre / poor players. It’s a catalogue of managerial mistakes funded to their cost by an ownership that didn’t have effective checks in place. A strong and informed Director of Football type individual has been sadly missing. 100% agree with that summation.
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Post by adi on Sept 28, 2019 7:49:21 GMT
I’ve had a few beers and I’m not sure what his point was? When it was successful Hughes wanted more power? When what was more successful? Didn’t Hughes sign Wimmer? Hughes came when his stock was low. Therefore he accepted the process that was in place where the board had a big say in transfers. This was put in place when TP was in charge. Obviously Pulis hated it because he wanted sole power. After seemingly proving himself Hughes wanted more power to dictate transfers which was given. This has carried on. Terry Conroy said exactly the same thing. So what is this bullshit about watching a player 25 times? That must be a lie then? Or did Hughes have his own scouts??
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 28, 2019 7:54:28 GMT
Scholes had a few people phone in and have a dig at him & stating he needed to leave.
We're Radio Stoke towing the party line with this sign off message? Even more sinister - Had they been passed a note by the club whilst on air?
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 28, 2019 8:04:37 GMT
I think he fecked up what he was trying to say - when you listen it could be taken both ways. Somebody should ask him the same question again next week
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Post by stiggerstackle on Sept 28, 2019 8:08:51 GMT
I think he fecked up what he was trying to say - when you listen it could be taken both ways. Somebody should ask him the same question again next week Yeah he clearly rushed it since his enquiry about time and initial comment ‘that’s not enough to get into it’. Was was the sign-off conspiracy theory?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 28, 2019 8:08:57 GMT
I think he fecked up what he was trying to say - when you listen it could be taken both ways. Somebody should ask him the same question again next week 1st question, the he's got a whole hour to talk about it.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 28, 2019 8:12:09 GMT
I think he fecked up what he was trying to say - when you listen it could be taken both ways. Somebody should ask him the same question again next week 1st question, the he's got a whole hour to talk about it. We don’t actually know if he knows anything to be fair do we? Is there any reason to believe he’s close to the inner sanctum?
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