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Post by FranktheRabbit on Sept 27, 2019 9:56:59 GMT
Don't you mean, when? The fightback starts here, tonight! [br That’s the spirit!!
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Sept 27, 2019 10:01:55 GMT
Christ how’s it come to this Original pirate material Yer listening to the streets Lock down your aerial What an album that is!
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Post by thevoid on Sept 27, 2019 10:17:10 GMT
Proves nothing, apart from Sod's Law.
Unless you're San Marino, everyone wins the occasional game.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 27, 2019 10:19:21 GMT
If we win t'morra night, the only thing it'll prove.... Is that Forest still think the game is on Sat'day and forget to turn up!!! We would still manage to lose Best we could hope for, is a draw!!!
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Post by leicspotter on Sept 27, 2019 10:28:40 GMT
Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
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Post by pb1863 on Sept 27, 2019 10:34:50 GMT
All that matters is we get the 3 points
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Post by scfcwebby on Sept 27, 2019 10:39:45 GMT
Original pirate material Yer listening to the streets Lock down your aerial What an album that is! Prefer a grand dont come for free, mesen
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 27, 2019 10:41:15 GMT
Who gives a shit what it proves. So long as we win, who cares.
I just want to see us win a game and more than that, I want my little lad to see us win a game because he's forgotten what it feels like and that makes supporting Stoke even harder for exiled youngsters.
Win and it is 4 points from 6 with another home game to come midweek. 7 from 9 and the fightback is beginning.
Tuesday was desperately disappointing but it was a nothing game that really didn't matter a jot.
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Post by redstriper on Sept 27, 2019 10:50:35 GMT
How many good results would we need in order for people to think we'd turned a corner ?
i reckon 3 wins in a row, or 5 games unbeaten with at least 2 wins would do it.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 27, 2019 10:54:03 GMT
There is a sense of hope and faith on this thread. Football is a strange game and confidence is everything.
IF, and it's obviously a big if, we can win tonight, then go on to beat Huddersfield next week, who knows what might happen? Nathan must have something to have achieved what he did at Luton.
It looks as though the players, coaching staff and manager have all been knocked by a bit of bad luck, some poor play and terrible results. A couple of wins might change everything.
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 27, 2019 11:08:08 GMT
Really if we win today then we have to follow it up with, no questions asked, a win against Huddersfield. I'd be setting him the remit of win both or it's off you go. IF, and currently a big if, he wins the next two and teams above us like Luton, Derby, Barnsley don't pick up results then it gets more promising. Get a win against Swansea as well and all of sudden you start to let the 'turned a corner' thoughts creep in.
Sadly I also don't feel like we can base too much on the match against Hudders because they're a very poor team, and I'd love us to go toe-to-toe with Swansea and get a good victory.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Sept 27, 2019 11:16:58 GMT
How many good results would we need in order for people to think we'd turned a corner ? i reckon 3 wins in a row, or 5 games unbeaten with at least 2 wins would do it. Once we have another 30 points on the board I'll start to believe that corners have been turned. until then we are still in the shit.
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 27, 2019 11:35:00 GMT
When we give them a five goal thumping tonight, it will demonstrate that the rocky start is over and the renaissance is just beginning.
Especially when we then annihilate Huddersfield on Tuesday.
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Post by Davef on Sept 27, 2019 11:41:17 GMT
When we give them a five goal thumping tonight, it will demonstrate that the rocky start is over and the renaissance is just beginning. Especially when we then annihilate Huddersfield on Tuesday. I'll ask you again, what are you basing this prediction on?
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 27, 2019 11:41:56 GMT
Really if we win today then we have to follow it up with, no questions asked, a win against Huddersfield. I'd be setting him the remit of win both or it's off you go. IF, and currently a big if, he wins the next two and teams above us like Luton, Derby, Barnsley don't pick up results then it gets more promising. Get a win against Swansea as well and all of sudden you start to let the 'turned a corner' thoughts creep in. Sadly I also don't feel like we can base too much on the match against Hudders because they're a very poor team, and I'd love us to go toe-to-toe with Swansea and get a good victory. I agree with that. It is like he's on a sudden death, game by game basis right now. I've said on a previous thread that ideally he needs 7 points out of 9 over the next three games, but he has to win these two home games. That would actually be 8 points out of 12. Based on our current form, that is a massive turnaround and a tall order. It's not beyond the realms of possibility though. The trouble with, and beauty of, the Championship is that anybody can beat anybody. Win tonight and he lives to fight another day.
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 27, 2019 11:48:19 GMT
When we give them a five goal thumping tonight, it will demonstrate that the rocky start is over and the renaissance is just beginning. Especially when we then annihilate Huddersfield on Tuesday. I'll be sticking a quid on 4-1 to Forest then
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Post by nott1 on Sept 27, 2019 11:50:05 GMT
Really if we win today then we have to follow it up with, no questions asked, a win against Huddersfield. I'd be setting him the remit of win both or it's off you go. IF, and currently a big if, he wins the next two and teams above us like Luton, Derby, Barnsley don't pick up results then it gets more promising. Get a win against Swansea as well and all of sudden you start to let the 'turned a corner' thoughts creep in. Sadly I also don't feel like we can base too much on the match against Hudders because they're a very poor team, and I'd love us to go toe-to-toe with Swansea and get a good victory. I agree with that. It is like he's on a sudden death, game by game basis right now. I've said on a previous thread that ideally he needs 7 points out of 9 over the next three games, but he has to win these two home games. That would actually be 8 points out of 12. Based on our current form, that is a massive turnaround and a tall order. It's not beyond the realms of possibility though. The trouble with, and beauty of, the Championship is that anybody can beat anybody. Win tonight and he lives to fight another day. Doubt it!
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 27, 2019 12:11:59 GMT
When we give them a five goal thumping tonight, it will demonstrate that the rocky start is over and the renaissance is just beginning. Especially when we then annihilate Huddersfield on Tuesday. I'll ask you again, what are you basing this prediction on? I've created an advanced, deep-learning-based AI model that analyses all of the OPTA data and predicts results with impeccable accuracy. Or perhaps Jupiter is appropriately aligned with Mars in a way that is a sure sign of a massive home win. Or maybe it's the football supporter's sheer faith that something will suddenly click tonight and result in a score no more or less preposterous than literally any other score prediction that anybody might make based on just a handful of the near infinite number of factors that might affect the outcome. Honestly, does it really matter? It's a nice change from all of the doom and gloom and I'm actually looking forward to tonight's game. Surely score prediction don't usually need a 1000 word justification?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 27, 2019 12:14:42 GMT
It doesn't prove anything in the same way losing one game doesn't prove anything. If we beat Forest, then put together some wins then it provides evidence that he is capable of turning it around. If we lose tonight and make it 9 games without a win it proves it's not working and his time should probably be up.
I think because of where we are we're all looking for snippets of meaning or significance in the slightest things, I've lost track of how many "turning points" we've had in the last 3 years. The only way to look at things in terms of looking forward is one game at a time. Which is why if we do win tonight no one should come out saying it's a defining moment etc, it's only a defining moment if we go on to win more games on the back of it.
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 27, 2019 12:26:35 GMT
...that football games are unpredictable, it’s one of the few sports where lesser teams can often beat better teams.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 27, 2019 12:30:02 GMT
It proves he was right to make loads of changes midweek because the league is a lot more important right now.
A win here following a point on the road is a decent start in turning our league results and position around. The new managerial appointment can be put on hold for 6 month.
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Post by terryconroyslegs on Sept 27, 2019 12:31:48 GMT
Correct win lose or draw he still has to go. If we win there is no chance in hell he will go and why should he? Why would you sack a manager on the back of a win? I think he needs 4 pts from 2 games to survive but i'm not convinced a draw with Forest will save him. It's NJ's Cup Final!
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 27, 2019 12:33:42 GMT
...that football games are unpredictable, it’s one of the few sports where lesser teams can often beat better teams. Lesser teams don't beat the better teams if the lesser teams are not playing for the manager, they get destroyed
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Post by milky on Sept 27, 2019 16:52:33 GMT
It could prove a hell of a lot .
Win tonight ( unlikely I know ) and with a home game Tuesday against the one team who have been as shit as us and suddenly we are looking at the very real prospect of taking 7 points out of the last 9 and who knows where that might lead ?
Defeat tonight though or even a shitty draw and there is not one reason I can think of why Jones should see out the weekend.
I really think its win or bust for him tonight. Or should be.
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Post by bornscfcdiescfc on Sept 27, 2019 17:33:11 GMT
When we give them a five goal thumping tonight, it will demonstrate that the rocky start is over and the renaissance is just beginning. Especially when we then annihilate Huddersfield on Tuesday. I'll ask you again, what are you basing this prediction on? Monkey Dust !
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