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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 18:25:48 GMT
My agenda is not about the manager - its about change in the boardroom JC / TS are the people I want shifting (before I see the ship turn) Who doesn't?
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Sept 26, 2019 18:29:20 GMT
I'm indifferent, and I have been for weeks - I just don't care if we lose any more. It's expected, I don't get upset about it or annoyed like I used too.
Just what Stoke do innit?
I can imagine us winning on Friday and that'll buy NJ another month.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 26, 2019 18:48:00 GMT
3 points in our relegation season would have kept us up. Oh dear indeed. I'm referring to your nonsense on Rowett. I'm on record saying Hughes should not have been sacked when he was. Horrendous decision. Rowett did ok. He stopped the rot and made us an effective mid table Championship side - who wouldn't take that at the moment. Rowett's problem was that he wasn't likeable (as if that matters), he gave the fans as good as he got (probably unwise - but if you can't take it don't dish it) and unrealistic expectations (no we aren't a Premiership club anymore). There were loads of posters uttering the immortal "anybody would be better than Rowett" and no-one was saying "apart from Nathan Jones". I agree we should probably have stuck with Hughes. But I also think we probably should have stuck with Rowett. Jones's days may well be numbered - my real issue is the unquestioning belief that changing the manager will solve our problems. You only have to look at our recent managerial appointment history to realise it simply isn't true. And anyone who points out the bleeding obvious is accused of heresy. In <next saviour/victims name here> we believe.
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Post by mamasgloves on Sept 26, 2019 18:52:10 GMT
So if someone said to you if we lose tomorrow he is gone but if we win he gets until Christmas, you would hope for a win? When his record to date shows that would almost certainly lead to relegation to the 3rd division? You'd cut your nose off to spite your face just so you can fit your definition of a "true supporter"? I support Stoke City Fc not Nathan Jones and if a loss means that my club don't get relegated again then needs must. It's called the bigger picture. If the choice was lose tomorrow and survive, or win tomorrow and get relegated, no one in their right mind would wish for a win. Problem is, a loss tomorrow does NOT guarantee survival does it? It will not even guarantee your wished for objective of a managerial change (along with all the upheavel and starting all over and absolutely no guarantees). What will guarantee survival is picking up enough wins to ensure we have more points than the bottom 3. Therefore, seeing as I do not have a magic crystal ball, (can you let me have the lottery numbers by the way?), I'll go with the only logical approach and go for the 3 points which will hopefully be the first of many! It's down to odds and probability. Right now we're odds on to be relegated, statistical history of this scenario suggests our chances of staying up are 1 in 15. That's the reality. The variable in that is our form, which is woeful. We've won 3 in 30 and show no idea of how to consistently change that. If we were genuinely settled and doing what he said we'd do with the players he promised it might be a different proposition. The two together paint a harrowing picture if the status quo is maintained. So we look at bringing in a catalyst for improvement which is a respected, experienced manager better equipped to manage at this level amid the obvious turmoil in the boardroom. Of the two, statistically the latter option gives us a better chance. The margins are unknown but to stick at this stage in the face of the entirety of the evidence is gross negligence.
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 26, 2019 19:45:41 GMT
If the choice was lose tomorrow and survive, or win tomorrow and get relegated, no one in their right mind would wish for a win. Problem is, a loss tomorrow does NOT guarantee survival does it? It will not even guarantee your wished for objective of a managerial change (along with all the upheavel and starting all over and absolutely no guarantees). What will guarantee survival is picking up enough wins to ensure we have more points than the bottom 3. Therefore, seeing as I do not have a magic crystal ball, (can you let me have the lottery numbers by the way?), I'll go with the only logical approach and go for the 3 points which will hopefully be the first of many! It's down to odds and probability. Right now we're odds on to be relegated, statistical history of this scenario suggests our chances of staying up are 1 in 15. That's the reality. The variable in that is our form, which is woeful. We've won 3 in 30 and show no idea of how to consistently change that. If we were genuinely settled and doing what he said we'd do with the players he promised it might be a different proposition. The two together paint a harrowing picture if the status quo is maintained. So we look at bringing in a catalyst for improvement which is a respected, experienced manager better equipped to manage at this level amid the obvious turmoil in the boardroom. Of the two, statistically the latter option gives us a better chance. The margins are unknown but to stick at this stage in the face of the entirety of the evidence is gross negligence. The discussion was not about "do we stick?" but rather about any fan wishing his/her team loses. Sorry, no matter what, logic says 3 points are more important than some fantasy that we'll get a respected, experienced manager who will be able to get the required points "later".
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Post by thehoof on Sept 26, 2019 19:58:51 GMT
If we won 10 of the next 14 we’d have 32 points at the halfway stage of the season - well below the expectations that Jones himself was setting prior to the season starting. How anyone seriously thinks that Jones will put three wins together when the team is in the most disarray that it has been in the last 15 years, and Jones has managed 3 wins in 30 games quite frankly beggars belief. The point PhilM was making was not "he will win the next 3", but rather " even if he wins the next 3, only an idiot would react to that by firing him". Why are you talking about improbabilities as if they are facts? phill was saying that 3 wins would change the whole situation- if one team currently 5 points above us actually wins a game ( more likely than we are to win given current form) then Stoke at best would be one point above the relegation spots after 11 games- hardly changing the whole situation is it? Under Jones we haven’t won two games in succession in 34 attempts- we have scored 7 goals in 14 away games, but we hypothetically will win at Swansea? I am desperate for Stoke to pick up the points but to achieve it under Jones is about as likely as finding life on Mars.
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Post by robstokie on Sept 26, 2019 22:27:31 GMT
Well, I for one want to see us win every game we play - I'm as strongly Jones out as anyone, and he should have gone after Brum, but I'm a Stoke fan first and foremost. Plus, maybe I'm being paranoid, but 3 points could be the difference at the end of the season.
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