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Post by musik on Sept 17, 2019 17:50:19 GMT
Any idea? How much would any new owner/s have to come up with?
Would it solve our current solution?
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Post by Absolution on Sept 17, 2019 17:52:16 GMT
It might solve it. It might not. Most (not all) buyouts seem to start with lots of big promises and end with the new owners turning out to be completely unhinged charlatans.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Sept 17, 2019 17:53:02 GMT
Any idea? How much would any new owner/s have to come up with? Would it solve our current solution? Jim Ratcliffe owner of Ineos would be ideal
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 17, 2019 17:55:02 GMT
Any idea? How much would any new owner/s have to come up with? Would it solve our current solution? A bag of horse shit costs nothing so I’d say £5 😎
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 17:57:10 GMT
3 magic beans
GD
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 17:57:41 GMT
Any idea? How much would any new owner/s have to come up with? Would it solve our current solution? Jim Ratcliffe owner of Ineos would be ideal They’ve bought Nice haven’t they?
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Post by mattyd on Sept 17, 2019 17:59:25 GMT
Jim Ratcliffe owner of Ineos would be ideal They’ve bought Nice haven’t they? That takes the biscuit.
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Post by mattyd on Sept 17, 2019 18:00:05 GMT
Any idea? How much would any new owner/s have to come up with? Would it solve our current solution? Jim Ratcliffe owner of Ineos would be ideal Didn't he try to buy Chelsea.
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Post by musik on Sept 17, 2019 18:00:23 GMT
How many zeros?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 18:02:10 GMT
Jim Ratcliffe owner of Ineos would be ideal Didn't he try to buy Chelsea. Never got past the initial discussion stage. They went for Nice instead.....
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Post by femark on Sept 17, 2019 18:04:20 GMT
£100m?
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Sept 17, 2019 18:10:08 GMT
Given how this club is ran and how much it values it's players, I could probably get onto the board of directors by trading in my 2008 Peugeot 207.
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Post by sneydgreenstokie1 on Sept 17, 2019 18:21:05 GMT
The Coates' loans would need to repaid as part of any deal. Those loans £100m plus I think
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Post by musik on Sept 17, 2019 18:23:43 GMT
A single winner on that Eurojackpot could give £40m on Friday. It's a start ... What about Port Vale? How much? £1.000.000?
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Post by sufolkstokie on Sept 17, 2019 18:25:41 GMT
Value whatever that is plus debt to Coates family so at least £200m
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Post by femark on Sept 17, 2019 18:26:40 GMT
A single winner on that Eurojackpot could give £40m on Friday. It's a start ... What about Port Vale? How much? £1.000.000? Booby prize in a box of Kellogg’s
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 18:41:34 GMT
Fifty eight.
I'm not sure of what, but fifty eight of them.
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Post by questionable on Sept 17, 2019 20:00:36 GMT
Give it a few months and the price will drop drastically
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Post by Gods on Sept 17, 2019 20:10:36 GMT
Value whatever that is plus debt to Coates family so at least £200m Yes I guess it would be free to anyone willing to take on our debt. Which would be no one because there is no way of paying it off. With our current revenue and outgoings it will simply continue to rise. It's our biggest problem now IMHO, far bigger than our awful league form.
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Post by adamsson on Sept 17, 2019 20:15:01 GMT
In terms of return on your investment £1 would be too much. You will lose millions every year.
As Peter Coates has said any one who buys a football club to make money has made a huge mistake.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Sept 17, 2019 20:17:23 GMT
This is like the footballing version of "Monopoly".
We're one of the Blues at best (so about £120?)....Vale can be won by coming second place in a beauty contest
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2019 20:34:00 GMT
This is like the footballing version of "Monopoly". We're one of the Blues at best (so about £120?)....Vale can be won by coming second place in a beauty contest The first time the words "Vale" and "beauty" have ever been in the same sentence. Never even been within three paragraphs of eachother such is the total incompatibility of these two words.
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Post by callas12 on Sept 17, 2019 20:51:28 GMT
After the rapid decline in the last few years/seasons I do question if it is infact the best way to be ran, by wealthy owners who are supporters of the club.
I get the reasons people will likely provide for having local people running the club & yes foreign investors arent going to be as passionate or affiliated but maybe when it comes to business sense they wouldnt take their eye off the ball as has clearly happened at Stoke for a good 3 or more years or so.. worryingly with no end in sight to the current spiralling!
I'm not being disrespectful or forgetting of what the Coates family have done in any way & we have had a good few memorable years under their ownership but I cant help but feel that if the last 3 or so years had occured in the manner it has under different owners then there would of been mass protests by now. The Coates's were at the point where we were at the stepping stones to honours & possibly great things but for whatever reason the conviction to push on just wasnt there & our decline began.
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Post by rawli on Sept 17, 2019 21:22:39 GMT
In terms of return on your investment £1 would be too much. You will lose millions every year. As Peter Coates has said any one who buys a football club to make money has made a huge mistake. In the year we went down 13 PL clubs made a profit.
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Post by salopian on Sept 17, 2019 21:55:10 GMT
After the rapid decline in the last few years/seasons I do question if it is infact the best way to be ran, by wealthy owners who are supporters of the club. I get the reasons people will likely provide for having local people running the club & yes foreign investors arent going to be as passionate or affiliated but maybe when it comes to business sense they wouldnt take their eye off the ball as has clearly happened at Stoke for a good 3 or more years or so.. worryingly with no end in sight to the current spiralling! I'm not being disrespectful or forgetting of what the Coates family have done in any way & we have had a good few memorable years under their ownership but I cant help but feel that if the last 3 or so years had occured in the manner it has under different owners then there would of been mass protests by now. The Coates's were at the point where we were at the stepping stones to honours & possibly great things but for whatever reason the conviction to push on just wasnt there & our decline began. In my opinion for some time totally agree. Took eye off the ball, especially transfers, manager recruitment, demise of quality and push on when key players started to leave. I do feel Foreign owners would of been more aware what was staring them in the face while ours still haven't got to grip with what is wrong and how to halt it never mind to change the tide!
As Peter once said " John knows hell of a lot about football" If that is the case in his opinion then no wonder we are in the shite!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 17, 2019 22:00:20 GMT
It’s worth nothing think of this way even if you paid £1 for it and the owners write off the £150m loans you’ve just bought a business with Less than £10m turnover in terms of sustainable earnings and a wage bill well in excess of that so before funding transfers you’ve double digit millions to find per year .
Given we were earning £110 m a year from tv the alleged bean counter has made a utter fuck if that too .
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Post by Gods on Sept 17, 2019 22:26:13 GMT
It’s worth nothing think of this way even if you paid £1 for it and the owners write off the £150m loans you’ve just bought a business with Less than £10m turnover in terms of sustainable earnings and a wage bill well in excess of that so before funding transfers you’ve double digit millions to find per year . Given we were earning £110 m a year from tv the alleged bean counter has made a utter fuck if that too . You make a good point that paying even £1 for a loss making machine would be pure folly. But I have a question for any experts in football finance and FFP. Could the present owners write off our circa £200 million of debt if they wanted to? I don't see how FFP would allow that. It would fly in the face of the intention of FFP that you can't simply go out and buy a route back to success, or even try unsuccessfully to do that as we have. I know I keep on about this but, try as I might, I can't see how we are anything other than financially fucked going forwards, only propped up, temporarily at least, by the present owners decision to cover out debt by a share issue. It's a ticking time bomb. A similar one buried even the mighty Leeds United for 30 years.
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Post by musik on Sept 17, 2019 22:48:19 GMT
I'm happy for all the answer!
But I'm sad about the situation. We're in deeper shit than I thought. They seem to generate more costs than revenues.
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Post by musik on Sept 17, 2019 22:51:54 GMT
It's a ticking time bomb. A similar one buried even the mighty Leeds United for 30 years. Catastrophe!
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Post by Godo on Sept 17, 2019 22:59:44 GMT
Any idea? How much would any new owner/s have to come up with? Would it solve our current solution? A bag of horse shit costs nothing so I’d say £5 😎 I pay £1 a bag for my horse shit. The money goes into an honesty box. Do you think the owners of Stoke are up for a bit of honesty??
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