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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 15, 2019 11:33:33 GMT
Are we actually appealling or is just the o/p opinion that we should? I think way too many have been whooshed here.
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Post by serpico on Sept 15, 2019 11:36:28 GMT
His foot wasn’t that high to begin with though, that screen shot doesn’t tell the whole story, his foot was low going into the tackle, he catches the Bristol players foot and Allen’s leg is carried up in the air so it looks like a high tackle but it’s not. he catches him no doubt about it but a yellow would have been sufficient imo.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 11:40:25 GMT
His foot wasn’t that high to begin with though, that screen shot doesn’t tell the whole story, his foot was low going intohe tackle, he catches the Bristol players foot and Allen’s leg is carried up in the air so it looks like a high tackle but it’s not. he catches him no doubt about it but a yellow would have been sufficient imo. The game would have had to have been abandoned if one of their players had done it to one of ours, and only got a yellow. It was a ridiculous challenge, following the customary mis-control, I'm all for giving 110% but that tackle was lunacy.
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Post by musik on Sept 15, 2019 11:43:25 GMT
It was ridiculous, it was high up the pitch and no goal threat to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 11:44:28 GMT
It was ridiculous, it was high up the pitch and no goal threat to begin with. He's a 'top Pro', though
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Post by serpico on Sept 15, 2019 11:48:43 GMT
His foot wasn’t that high to begin with though, that screen shot doesn’t tell the whole story, his foot was low going intohe tackle, he catches the Bristol players foot and Allen’s leg is carried up in the air so it looks like a high tackle but it’s not. he catches him no doubt about it but a yellow would have been sufficient imo. The game would have had to have been abandoned if one of their players had done it to one of ours, and only got a yellow. It was a ridiculous challenge, following the customary mis-control, I'm all for giving 110% but that tackle was lunacy. The Bristol player made it look way worse than it was, he’s basically clipped him on the foot, hardly worthy of a red card and 3 match ban! It wasn’t a knee high tackle, he’s actually gone in low in if you watch the entire clip, the Bristol player gets to the ball a fraction of a second before Allen and Allen clips his foot.
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Post by serpico on Sept 15, 2019 12:02:37 GMT
It was ridiculous, it was high up the pitch and no goal threat to begin with. no doubt the manager told the players he wanted a high tempo at the start of the game, close the opposition down and get the ball back as quickly as possible.
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Post by wuzza on Sept 15, 2019 14:43:16 GMT
Sticking the boot into a footballer who has done good things at this club and has never given less than 100% but is going through a sticky patch at the moment is quite quite dismal and reflects on nobody but the people doing it. He’s been fucking dogshit since day one. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but that , in my opinion , is simply not true - as his Player of the Year nominations would testify.
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Post by wuzza on Sept 15, 2019 14:45:15 GMT
Sticking the boot into a footballer who has done good things at this club and has never given less than 100% but is going through a sticky patch at the moment is quite quite dismal and reflects on nobody but the people doing it. It seems that the majority are starting to see the poor basic skills he possesses. I and a few others were calling it soon after he arrived. Its far from a sticky patch Basic skills that have seen him perform very creditably at an international level !
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Post by harrysburrow on Sept 15, 2019 14:48:18 GMT
Hopefully it’s escalated to a custodial sentence. 😂😂😂
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 15, 2019 14:55:09 GMT
Hopefully it’s escalated to a custodial sentence. 😂😂😂 [brof Can’t wait when he is the first name on Pulis team sheet and he says “fans know fuck all bunch of retards me and John and Peter are all that Matter and our wonderful relationship . Collins Edwards , verlinden , Campbell all sent on Loan because we need too pros like Joe “
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 15, 2019 15:04:33 GMT
I really hope it isn't rescinded so we can play our best team in the next game, unfortunately that is an 11 without Joe Allen right now! If NJ is still here, I hope not, and we are going to play the same formation as yesterday I would go for this team: ........................Butland.......................... ..........Collins.......Lindsay........Indi.............. Edwards.........................................McClean ...........Etebo.........Badou.........Clucas........... .....................Ince.....Gregory................... I'd really like to play Batth for Lindsay, but feel I can't drop him after his performance yesterday. Edwards didn't have his best game, but I'll give him 3 games to get match fit. The only way is to play games at the right level. I'll always play Collins and Batth instead of Carter-Vickers who isn't good enough in the air as a central defender in my opinion. I don't feel any of our other strikers is a better alternative than Ince, but he must be instructed to play closer to Gregory as the second striker. Ince is one of few players who has an x-factor in my opinion. Go on STOKE!
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 15, 2019 15:05:19 GMT
[brof Can’t wait when he is the first name on Pulis team sheet and he says “fans know fuck all bunch of retards me and John and Peter are all that Matter and our wonderful relationship . Collins Edwards , verlinden , Campbell all sent on Loan because we need too pros like Joe “ Doubt very much Pulis would keep Allen.... Although he likes workers, he also likes DISCIPLINED players, which Joe ain't!!!
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Post by nott1 on Sept 15, 2019 15:35:00 GMT
Big mistake appealing that!
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Post by RAF on Sept 15, 2019 15:40:06 GMT
They will have to use Massingbird Massingbird to get him off this one!
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Post by lordb on Sept 15, 2019 15:40:26 GMT
Big mistake appealing that! It appears to be bullshit
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Post by 1982stokie on Sept 15, 2019 15:42:11 GMT
If it fails will it be increased, if so it would give us a chance at an improved midfield for 3 games
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Sept 15, 2019 15:47:38 GMT
Jose Cholevas Challenge about 7 mins Ars v Watford no different than Allen’s really!
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 16, 2019 2:43:06 GMT
It seems that the majority are starting to see the poor basic skills he possesses. I and a few others were calling it soon after he arrived. Its far from a sticky patch Basic skills that have seen him perform very creditably at an international level ! It's here that I remind you that Saido Berahino plays at an international level but it matters not one jot as he still remains a fucking wank footballer and there are thousands of internationals just like him and Joe Allen is one. I couldn't give a shit if he has represented the fucking Solar System, 8 out of 10 times he will mis control the ball setting back any forward motion we have attempted which in turn affects our creativity and goal scoring chances which as been a massive problem and part of the reason we are rock bottom of the championship.
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Post by wuzza on Sept 16, 2019 3:09:08 GMT
Basic skills that have seen him perform very creditably at an international level ! It's here that I remind you that Saido Berahino plays at an international level but it matters not one jot as he still remains a fucking wank footballer and there are thousands of internationals just like him and Joe Allen is one. I couldn't give a shit if he has represented the fucking Solar System, 8 out of 10 times he will mis control the ball setting back any forward motion we have attempted which in turn affects our creativity and goal scoring chances which as been a massive problem and part of the reason we are rock bottom of the championship. Allen plays international football well and is highly respected at that level and has been singled out many times for his contribution to the Welsh cause so he simply isn’t just one of thousands and he certainly isn’t anything like Berahino. He has frequently been the best player on the park for us in the past 3 seasons (not overly difficult granted) and frankly those seeking to blame him for our downfall are, in my opinion, just clutching at straws. He’s missed a couple of chances he would normally put away this season but I’m afraid we are just heading for scapegoat territory when there is massively more wrong with the way the whole team are set up.
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Post by jeycov on Sept 16, 2019 7:08:47 GMT
It’s all about consistency I think it was a red and we would have been screaming for one if a Stoke player had been tackled like that
Watching other games / highlights over the weekend, there were similar incidents where similar tackles were only deemed yellow cards And that’s with VAR to help
The reaction of the recipient also influenced the decision I don’t like it but maybe Badou should have made more of the nasty challenge he received
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Post by Absolution on Sept 16, 2019 7:12:15 GMT
It’s all about consistency I think it was a red and we would have been screaming for one if a Stoke player had been tackled like that Watching other games / highlights over the weekend, there were similar incidents where similar tackles were only deemed yellow cards And that’s with VAR to help The reaction of the recipient also influenced the decision I don’t like it but maybe Badou should have made more of the nasty challenge he received Badou didn't need any encouragement in that direction from what I saw.
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Post by jeycov on Sept 16, 2019 7:39:42 GMT
It’s all about consistency I think it was a red and we would have been screaming for one if a Stoke player had been tackled like that Watching other games / highlights over the weekend, there were similar incidents where similar tackles were only deemed yellow cards And that’s with VAR to help The reaction of the recipient also influenced the decision I don’t like it but maybe Badou should have made more of the nasty challenge he received Badou didn't need any encouragement in that direction from what I saw. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not sure if the perpetrator was even punished? Certainly several "yellow card" fouls in the game went unpunished imo Re Allen, I accept that there was considerable contact on the Bristol player , but I also feel he made a meal of it
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Post by sheds1862 on Sept 16, 2019 7:40:26 GMT
The first touch caused it, irrelevant of the red card, just what on earth was that first touch all about
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Post by sheds1862 on Sept 16, 2019 7:41:26 GMT
Badou didn't need any encouragement in that direction from what I saw. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not sure if the perpetrator was even punished? Certainly several "yellow card" fouls in the game went unpunished imo Re Allen, I accept that there was considerable contact on the Bristol player , but I also feel he made a meal of it What can't be denied Jey is that we'd of been screaming for a red if it was the other way round.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 16, 2019 7:58:19 GMT
weve assembled a truly terrible team and those abusing a player of his dignity and professionalism are getting the team they deserve I'm still of the opinion that hes trying to do 3 men's jobs in midfield and the end result is that he does nothing good. When he was in the number 10 role his few goals were critical in keeping us in the prem that season. However, since then & he's been dropped deeper it's been an issue amongst a multitude of other situations.
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Post by Absolution on Sept 16, 2019 8:12:33 GMT
Badou didn't need any encouragement in that direction from what I saw. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not sure if the perpetrator was even punished? Certainly several "yellow card" fouls in the game went unpunished imo Re Allen, I accept that there was considerable contact on the Bristol player , but I also feel he made a meal of it The fact that the perpetrator wasn't punished is a different issue to whether or not Badou was trying his hardest to make it happen. He obviously was in my opinion. I agree that the ref could have issued a number of yellow cards to their players, and their player clearly made a 5-course meal of the Allen challenge.
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Post by Squeekster on Sept 16, 2019 8:14:43 GMT
I'm gonna hold my hands up here because I thought the ref made an awful decision sending Allen off and even after showing the replay I wasn't convinced. But that still picture clearly shows his studs quite high on Brownhill. Sorry Joe but that is a red card and appealing will overturn that decision. That's the problem with slow motion replays and still frames, they make things look a lot worse. In my opinion it isn't as bad as some are making out and in that still you can clearly see Allen catches the top of Brownhill's boot but he's rolling round the pitch holding his shin.
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Post by Squeekster on Sept 16, 2019 8:20:16 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not sure if the perpetrator was even punished? Certainly several "yellow card" fouls in the game went unpunished imo Re Allen, I accept that there was considerable contact on the Bristol player , but I also feel he made a meal of it What can't be denied Jey is that we'd of been screaming for a red if it was the other way round. We might have been screaming for it, doesn't mean we'd of got it as many incidents down the years have proven.
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 16, 2019 8:40:44 GMT
If Joe had shown a better first touch (& goodness knows, for a pro paid all that wonga, he really, really should be able to by now) and if he hadn't then lunged in, then he doesn't give the ref a decision to make.
Simple.
He did of course and the one the 'ref' made is, like many, debatable.
It wasn't as bad as the still suggests but neither was it a 'Bobby Moore' (clean as a whistle) & its impact was significantly enhanced by the Brizzle lad rolling around clutching his upper shin - nowhere near the impact).
Nevertheless, and given the prevailing 'clean up' of the game, if we do appeal, I can't see it going well.
As refereeing decision go though, I can't see it's as bad as the one for their second at the back stick.
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