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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Sept 2, 2019 20:18:57 GMT
Are we any stronger since Rowett and Jones bought and sold,loaned?
I won't include players that had to leave Shaq, Choupo etc
-------Haugaard---------
Bauer Cameron Soutar Pieters
Diouf Whelan Adam Verlinden
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------ Crouch
Admittidley not much depth in Keeper, right mid and centre halfs, who've I missed?
Against the current team who would win? Not that we know best current 11 are.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 20:56:01 GMT
I’d look at the ex Prem team still here as well. Who could argue that had we not tried to strengthen that instead of dismantle it we wouldn’t be in a better position. It’s bizarre what’s happened.
Add in Butland, Bruno, Shawcross, Allen and Etebo (still a pre Rowett signing). A couple of key signings was all that was needed. A DM and a striker. Maybe a winger.
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 2, 2019 21:00:16 GMT
I’d look at the ex Prem team still here as well. Who could argue that had we not tried to strengthen that instead of dismantle it we wouldn’t be in a better position. It’s bizarre what’s happened. Add in Butland, Bruno, Shawcross, Allen and Etebo (still a pre Rowett signing). A couple of key signings was all that was needed. A DM and a striker. Maybe a winger. Already been through it and most certainly the players who have been shipped out were better than what we have now, I think that's pretty much universal |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 21:02:18 GMT
I’d look at the ex Prem team still here as well. Who could argue that had we not tried to strengthen that instead of dismantle it we wouldn’t be in a better position. It’s bizarre what’s happened. Add in Butland, Bruno, Shawcross, Allen and Etebo (still a pre Rowett signing). A couple of key signings was all that was needed. A DM and a striker. Maybe a winger. Already been through it and most certainly the players who have been shipped out were better than what we have now, I think that's pretty much universal Rowett just went mental signing players we didn’t need. I genuinely think Lambert would have sorted it. He was after Gayle. He’d worked out what we needed. At the time I wasn’t calling for him out and I felt a bit sorry for him when he left but wasn’t outraged. It was just a bit “meh, that’s a shame”. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. |
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Post by stokefanone on Sept 2, 2019 22:01:43 GMT
Lambert should have been given until January, if results were poor, then change. I did say that at the time.
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Post by RF10 on Sept 2, 2019 22:19:32 GMT
Are we any stronger since Rowett and Jones bought and sold,loaned? I won't include players that had to leave Shaq, Choupo etc -------Haugaard--------- Bauer Cameron Soutar Pieters Diouf Whelan Adam Verlinden --------Bojan ------ Crouch Admittidley not much depth in Keeper, right mid and centre halfs, who've I missed? Against the current team who would win? Not that we know best current 11 are. Why is Whelan in there? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 2, 2019 22:34:44 GMT
Lambert was awful.
Of the ones we’ve let go, Bauer, Souttar, Pieters, Bojan and Verlinden should all be part of this squad over Smith, Lindsay, Ward, Duffy or Powell and McClean.
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 2, 2019 23:00:30 GMT
Lambert was awful. Of the ones we’ve let go, Bauer, Souttar, Pieters, Bojan and Verlinden should all be part of this squad over Smith, Lindsay, Ward, Duffy or Powell and McClean.
But on the other hand, if we'd have kept Bodger and, perhaps, Verlinden we wouldn't have needed either anyway.
The others seem to me to be obvious downgrades, or at very least, not clear and obvious upgrades.
Edit:
Yes he was. Terrible. |
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Post by wherty on Sept 3, 2019 7:26:03 GMT
4 of that team are actually still with us so not released.
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Post by Gods on Sept 3, 2019 7:43:11 GMT
I’d look at the ex Prem team still here as well. Who could argue that had we not tried to strengthen that instead of dismantle it we wouldn’t be in a better position. It’s bizarre what’s happened. Add in Butland, Bruno, Shawcross, Allen and Etebo (still a pre Rowett signing). A couple of key signings was all that was needed. A DM and a striker. Maybe a winger. Yes, I've said that until I'm blue in the face! The new manager should have wiped the slate clean with the remaining players from the Prem team, made 2 or 3 key additions of quality not 12 mediocre players, leveraged the loan system for high class young players from top clubs needing experience, and scattered in a sprinkling of youth from our Academy. Too late now though, we have 12 more players we can't shift and a failing team. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 7:48:31 GMT
I’d look at the ex Prem team still here as well. Who could argue that had we not tried to strengthen that instead of dismantle it we wouldn’t be in a better position. It’s bizarre what’s happened. Add in Butland, Bruno, Shawcross, Allen and Etebo (still a pre Rowett signing). A couple of key signings was all that was needed. A DM and a striker. Maybe a winger. Yes, I've said that until I'm blue in the face! The new manager should have wiped the slate clean with the remaining players from the Prem team, made 2 or 3 key additions of quality not 12 mediocre players, leveraged the loan system for high class young players from top clubs needing experience, and scattered in a sprinkling of youth from our Academy. Too late now though, we have 12 more players we can't shift and a failing team. It’s bizarre how we got it so wrong. We didn’t even make any money we just gave people away. I’m at the end of my tether with it all I think if I’m honest. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 8:44:15 GMT
Lambert was awful. Of the ones we’ve let go, Bauer, Souttar, Pieters, Bojan and Verlinden should all be part of this squad over Smith, Lindsay, Ward, Duffy or Powell and McClean. He was but when you think he seemed to want to keep our prem squad together and add with the likes of Gayle, he seemed to have a better idea than the two muppets since. |
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Post by tosh on Sept 3, 2019 11:45:26 GMT
Lambert was awful. Of the ones we’ve let go, Bauer, Souttar, Pieters, Bojan and Verlinden should all be part of this squad over Smith, Lindsay, Ward, Duffy or Powell and McClean. He was but when you think he seemed to want to keep our prem squad together and add with the likes of Gayle, he seemed to have a better idea than the two muppets since. Agreed. He didn’t tear up any trees here, but he organised the rocky defence with the inherited squad, and I think he was easily the best and most trustworthy of the three. He had achieved promotions previously, had a very credible career, and given Rowett’s budget, it’s not difficult to believe that he would have spent more cautiously and wisely. His current quick turnaround of Ipswich is also looking impressive at the moment. Hindsight is a great thing. Unfortunately we’ve chosen two complete duffers since. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 3, 2019 12:12:00 GMT
Lambert had one job and fucked it up massively.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 12:19:23 GMT
Lambert had one job and fucked it up massively. Explain |
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Post by tosh on Sept 3, 2019 13:01:34 GMT
Lambert had one job and fucked it up massively. He couldn’t sign any players. He failed narrowly thanks in part to unpredictable errors like Butland throwing the ball into the net at Leicester and Adam missing an encroached penalty which should have been retaken and then missing the follow up which should still have led to another penalty. Also stupidly being sent off against Everton when we were on top. The following season Lambert might well have done a much better recovery job with his own team, than Rowett or Jones have done. He’s certainly doing a much better job at the moment turning Ipswich around. Fair enough he’s not Guardiola but I much preferred him to his successors. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 3, 2019 14:39:46 GMT
Lambert had one job and fucked it up massively. He couldn’t sign any players. He failed narrowly thanks in part to unpredictable errors like Butland throwing the ball into the net at Leicester and Adam missing an encroached penalty which should have been retaken and then missing the follow up which should still have led to another penalty. Also stupidly being sent off against Everton when we were on top. The following season Lambert might well have done a much better recovery job with his own team, than Rowett or Jones have done. He’s certainly doing a much better job at the moment turning Ipswich around. Fair enough he’s not Guardiola but I much preferred him to his successors. He had 2 weeks to sign players. That's football. He set us up to not win games when the aim should have been to win 3/4 games. Lambert is one of the worst things to happen to this club. |
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