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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 2, 2019 20:08:27 GMT
We won't go down, after the international break we will fly up the table and finish top 6.......god willing. Monkey dust level 2 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 20:08:47 GMT
Seriously? Why not drop out of the Sentinel while we are at it. Unbelievable!!! I find it unbelievable you don't understand my post It's clearly a question of everyones opinion. I'm not for one second saying I'm happy for us to go down. I'm saying would it be a total disaster? As in a question.. You know, those things people answer with their thoughts The thing is some questions don’t need to be asked for you to know the answer. Such as is: Is a good idea that I put my hand on this gas hob that is alight? Or shall I try putting my foot in a meat mincer? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 2, 2019 20:10:00 GMT
You on about the home game mate because I don’t remember a lot about the away game apart from celebrating wildly and singing the bass song😄 No mate Adams park Gudjon and Sanchez had to be separated . And those fucking jungle drums every time Wycombe got a corner I remember a lot of things mate but I can’t remember Gudjon and Sanchez having a set to(must be old age😄)I remember standing there in amazement at what I was seeing and did Nicky Mohan score at our end? The car park there also sticks in my mind because isn’t it higher than the pitch? |
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Post by VolvicStokie on Sept 2, 2019 20:10:10 GMT
I find it unbelievable you don't understand my post It's clearly a question of everyones opinion. I'm not for one second saying I'm happy for us to go down. I'm saying would it be a total disaster? As in a question.. You know, those things people answer with their thoughts The thing is some questions don’t need to be asked for you to know the answer. Such as is: Is a good idea that I put my hand on this gas job that is alight? Or shall I try putting my foot in a meat mincer? Got a fair few discussing the possibility of such scenario. Which is a realistic one, unlike yours |
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Post by skelman on Sept 2, 2019 20:11:48 GMT
There’s just no need for it to happen though is there!
Unless someone in power actually wants that to happen for some reason?
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Post by oldpotter1950 on Sept 2, 2019 20:12:12 GMT
bloody hell mate ,are you on something ,going down to league one would be disastrous for stoke. most of the shit players we have would want to go, the crowds would drop dramatically ,the money from the coates would dry up ,if it hasn't already.there would no investment in the club and god knows what calibre of player we would attract. get real mate and wake up and smell the coffee, I am sure as eggs are eggs sunderland fans didn't say " let's drop down to league one and build a team for the future and get back up to the premiership".
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Post by skelman on Sept 2, 2019 20:19:48 GMT
This whole situation has got a horrendous stench about it!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 2, 2019 20:23:14 GMT
This whole situation has got a horrendous stench about it! You are in France though. They don't use deodorant do they? |
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 2, 2019 20:33:37 GMT
Why not? Its not done Bolton any harm.
Why stop there? What about bankrupcy? There are pros as well as cons you know. Easier to get out of the ground, cheaper to follow the club, less worries about results.....
Bring it on.
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 2, 2019 20:34:26 GMT
Why do you have to drop down a league to rebuild? Can't you do it from bottom half champs with the right manager.
We drop down spend a year out of champs get promoted and we are back where we were.....its total bollox
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 2, 2019 20:36:28 GMT
Why do you have to drop down a league to rebuild? Can't you do it from bottom half champs with the right manager. We drop down spend a year out of champs get promoted and we are back where we were.....its total bollox Absolutely. Well said. Alex Ferguson rebuilt a team three times! The further you drop, the harder it is to rebuild, that's all. And the less probable it is you bounce back. People quote Leicester, but not Charlton; Sheff U, but not Blackpool. Entering L1 from being a recent PL club is an existential lottery. |
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Post by skelman on Sept 2, 2019 20:38:35 GMT
This whole situation has got a horrendous stench about it! You are in France though. They don't use deodorant do they? Hairy armpits are a no no here now mate! 🇫🇷 Do we know of any ‘forensic accountants’ who could offer an insight into the demise of this train set over the last 4 - 5 years ? |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 2, 2019 20:40:09 GMT
Yes it would be a total disaster.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 2, 2019 20:45:09 GMT
You are in France though. They don't use deodorant do they? Hairy armpits are a no no here now mate! 🇫🇷 Do we know of any ‘forensic accountants’ who could offer an insight into the demise of this train set over the last 4 - 5 years ? I'll ask around  |
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Post by bertiebigguns on Sept 2, 2019 21:41:04 GMT
We perform well as underdogs, we were underdogs for a long time in the PL and achieved great things.
In the lower leagues for the foreseeable we are a scalp and the team to beat, it’ll be a long time before we achieve underdog status again and unless we are a capable outfit we will encounter very determined opposition week in and week out.
As it stands we do not have the ability or experience at managerial and coaching level to stay afloat in this league, if our ambition in the second season in the Championship is to avoid relegation then the hierarchy has failed.
Third tier football is not an option nor should it be a consideration, from a supporters perspective a further demise in status is something that will resentfully be absorbed by the many and only because of their unconditional commitment to the club.
Nathan Jones you’ve been here too long.
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Post by toptom007 on Sept 3, 2019 9:35:06 GMT
the big difference is, that when Wolves and Leicester where in third tier the money was big in the prem but now its even bigger. Even the championship having huge budgets. This money is not trickling down to third tier, so the money drop off would make a rebuild like Leicester and wolves even more improbable.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 3, 2019 9:46:36 GMT
It depends if we bounced back within a year or two or festered down there.
Sheff Utd were there for years before they got Wilder (their Macari).
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 3, 2019 10:01:48 GMT
I want to buy a Ferrari and currently have a BMW M5. The garage say I need £50,000 plus the BMW to get the Ferarri but I'm going to sell the M5 losing money, admittedly and will buy a Ford ST and will save the money by running a cheaper car. It'll take longer to get the Ferrari but in my muddled thinking I think it will be worth it!  |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 3, 2019 10:08:08 GMT
What's all the fuss about? ZZZZZZZ To answer the OP, yes it would be a disaster and would end any hope of seeing the Prem in the next 10 years imo. |
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Post by mjg13x on Sept 3, 2019 10:39:47 GMT
Yup, would you be confident that our leaders could get us out of that league I would, but with the caveat that relegation is also a way to get out of a league. |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 3, 2019 10:42:28 GMT
or..... OR...... Get this......
Instead of getting relegated, the club could start thinking and acting in a POSITIVE manner, and start to make relevant changes in order to get us heading in the right direction again!!!
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 3, 2019 11:06:04 GMT
It's the only way we'd finally be able to offload the expensive under achievers as there is no possible way that we could maintain a squad containing Joe Allen, Jack Butland, Sam Clucas, Sam Vokes, James McClean, Danny Batth, Tom Ince, Nick Powell. We'd have to finally properly clear the decks and go again. Which on the face of it may not be a bad thing, then you remember that the men entrusted to rebuild are Jonathan Coates & Tony Scholes........  |
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Post by mcw on Sept 3, 2019 11:16:42 GMT
bloody hell mate ,are you on something ,going down to league one would be disastrous for stoke. most of the shit players we have would want to go, the crowds would drop dramatically ,the money from the coates would dry up ,if it hasn't already.there would no investment in the club and god knows what calibre of player we would attract. get real mate and wake up and smell the coffee, I am sure as eggs are eggs sunderland fans didn't say " let's drop down to league one and build a team for the future and get back up to the premiership". The other sad thing is that all the hard work of the premier league era is being undone at a eye watering pace. The lifeblood of a club is it's supporter base and we managed to grow that during that period. We all know that quite a lot of those fans could be classed as "fair weather", but I bet you that their legacy despite dropping us is sons/daughters of age 10-25 bracket of which a number will have turned into what we could describe as "all weather fans". Dropping into the Champ/League 1 will mean there will be none of this and the supporter base will start to shrink back to the mean of probably 15k to 16k who turn up and a lot less that follow from a far. I live near Manchester and have a 6 year old son, he loves Stoke but the allure of following Man Utd/City/Liverpool etc is going to a lot harder to put off with us trawling the lower leagues... |
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Post by Goonie on Sept 3, 2019 11:41:48 GMT
It'd be good to drop to a league where we could win a few games. Which is what I thought when we dropped into the Championship. "It'd be good to drop to a league where we could win a few games." I can't see us dropping to the Vauxhall Conference in one season 😁😎 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 11:44:22 GMT
What's all the fuss about? ZZZZZZZ To answer the OP, yes it would be a disaster and would end any hope of seeing the Prem in the next 10 years imo. Snore it all you like. That’s where this question stemmed from. Inaction followed by suit appointments and dishing out rubbish long term contracts. it’d be a complete fucking catastrophe to go down further and I said at the time it was stupid to relish the championship. As someone above said the only positive is the ace old grounds we get to go to. |
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Post by musik on Sept 3, 2019 12:37:52 GMT
it’d be a complete fucking catastrophe to go down further and I said at the time it was stupid to relish the championship. As someone above said the only positive is the ace old grounds we get to go to. Exactly. I must add: For something to get better it's very seldom you have to reach the lowest position first. Solution: 1) Win all the remaining home games. 2) Get a draw in every one on the road. 3) 81 points. We might even afford to lose one. 😀 I just realized how much that bad start could have cost us ... 🤔 |
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Post by 1982stokie on Sept 3, 2019 13:00:41 GMT
I remember when we were on the verge of relegation from the Premier League and some fans were saying exactly the same thing about dropping into the Championship. "Would it be that bad?" "A chance to rebuild" "At least we will win some games" That hasn't turned out well. Neither will dropping into the third tier! I was going to post the exact same thing. |
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Post by robstokie on Sept 3, 2019 14:07:26 GMT
Yes and no. It increases the risk of complete implosion, and it takes you to places like Wycombe, where you could get turned over by a weight lifting wrestler, but it also slightly increases the chance of waking people up, and it gives you an opportunity to rebuild from the top down. I haven't got a clue as to who at the club would be capable, but the opportunity would be there. Southampton are the best example. They went down and used it to totally revamp their side with youth players, who climbed through the league's with them. I'd rather we woke up now though, and did it from where we are. If I ever saw us getting shithoused by that wrestler at Wycombe, I think I'd go for a long walk on the M40. It was bad enough when they did it years ago with Lawrie Sanchez and Sean Devine. I think the difference between Ourselves and Southampton is that Whilst they have always had a good production line of young talent - what have we really had recently before maybe 2 seasons ago - think Shotton was the only player who really broke through in the prem years before the likes of Tommy and Tyrese in the last prem season. Out of the kids, I'd wager that Collins, Edwards and Tyrese would be off to another championship club bare minimum in the event of relegation (Think Collins will be sold to a prem team, Tyrese deal us up at the end of the season, and, if he's not getting game time and he's shunted behind the likes of Hogan and Gregory, he ain't gonna Stay, and Tommy will end up leaving if he's behind Smith - who in my eyes is far inferior to Edwards) So, any youth would be what we have emerging now - read Jarvis, Dunwoody and Bursik, plus Sorensen and maybe Verlinden with all the wasters, losers and crap that we will be stuck with. Honestly think that side would struggle in league 1. |
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