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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 11:59:51 GMT
What's Dick Braine of the UKIP's up to these days? We don't see enough of Dick Braine, I want to know what Dick Braine's thoughts are on the up and coming election......
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Post by franklin66 on Nov 1, 2019 12:00:11 GMT
Here's a question for you Dave why is Essex still on here after his disgraceful post last night?
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Post by Northy on Nov 1, 2019 12:01:17 GMT
What's Dick Braine of the UKIP's up to these days? We don't see enough of Dick Braine, I want to know what Dick Braine's thoughts are on the up and coming election...... he stood down didn't he ?
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 1, 2019 12:02:02 GMT
Folks won't know who viv was 😉 Spend , spend, spend Spending is fucking easy for socialists they just don’t know how to fund it. It’s ok saying tax the rich but the rich will fuck off. Taxation has to be at a sensible rate otherwise you get nothing. I wonder how much tax we lost out on when the likes of Connery and the Rolling Stones (and there were hundreds more) who fucked off in the 70s It's places like the city of London that would move away , if the investment banks leave that's billions lost in tax revenue
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 12:03:22 GMT
What's Dick Braine of the UKIP's up to these days? We don't see enough of Dick Braine, I want to know what Dick Braine's thoughts are on the up and coming election...... he stood down didn't he ? Fuck. What a loss to politics. Good luck for the future Dick Braine......
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Post by Northy on Nov 1, 2019 12:08:56 GMT
he stood down didn't he ? Fuck. What a loss to politics. Good luck for the future Dick Braine...... Didn't even last 3 months, politics is a tough old world without having his name to add to the mix
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 12:15:31 GMT
Spending is fucking easy for socialists they just don’t know how to fund it. It’s ok saying tax the rich but the rich will fuck off. Taxation has to be at a sensible rate otherwise you get nothing. I wonder how much tax we lost out on when the likes of Connery and the Rolling Stones (and there were hundreds more) who fucked off in the 70s It's places like the city of London that would move away , if the investment banks leave that's billions lost in tax revenue They're moving away anyway aren't they if you look at their post-Brexit plans (some have already up sticks and gone) Bank Of America - Approx 400 staff to move to Paris/Dublin Barclays - Already moved 175 staff from London to Dublin BNP - Moving 100 staff from London to Paris Citigroup - Moving 63 staff to Frankfurt Credit Suisse - Moving 250 staff to Madrid/Frankfurt Goldman Sachs - Moving its investment banking arm to Frankfurt and Paris, and its asset management arm to Dublin, 400-500 staff. HSBC - May move 1,000 staff to Paris once Brexit is confirmed. JP Morgan - 400 staff on standby to move to Europe once Brexit is confirmed. Morgan Stanley - 400-500 staff to move to Paris/Dublin/Amsterdam RBS - 150 staff to Amsterdam. Societe Generale - 200 staff to Paris UBS - 200 staff to Frankfurt Wells Fargo - 200 staff to Luxemburg
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 12:28:35 GMT
Funny soundbite but surely it's railing against politicians changing party AS elected representatives. In which case it just makes this soundbite retarded wank fodder for donuts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 12:33:18 GMT
A big long list, as above…. Much of that was available to the last Labour government. Why do you think they didn’t do it then, when they had the power? Also, your list doesn't seem to including scrapping Trident. Is that not policy any longer? What is their policy on HS2? They are all great policies id love most of them Where are the hidden policies that labour and Corbin will like but not the general public. Defence etc When will labour tell me how much it will cost me. Will my vat, ni, income tax etc go up Will it cause inflation as businesses put up prices to pay all these extras? It’s very easy to promise the earth This is one of their two biggest issues in this election, they need people to believe they can fund it. The second is stopping people voting against them just because it is Corbyn. I'd imagine their manifesto will state if it is costed or not.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 12:36:57 GMT
Abolish the House of Lords and create elected second chamber Replace first past the post voting system and shift to proportional representation Mandatory by-elections if MPs change political party Non-payment of the £39 billion Brexit bill Slash the foreign aid budgetScrap the High Speed 2 railway network Create a high growth, low tax economy Zero business rates for high street shops ----- That is some manifesto. The three in bold: 1. very debatable whether that is legal 2. Unbearably sad that they believe that is our biggest issue. 3. pandering to big business with a provably awful model. That seems very much the manifesto of a party wanting us to become the USA.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 1, 2019 13:37:19 GMT
It's places like the city of London that would move away , if the investment banks leave that's billions lost in tax revenue They're moving away anyway aren't they if you look at their post-Brexit plans (some have already up sticks and gone) Bank Of America - Approx 400 staff to move to Paris/Dublin Barclays - Already moved 175 staff from London to Dublin BNP - Moving 100 staff from London to Paris Citigroup - Moving 63 staff to Frankfurt Credit Suisse - Moving 250 staff to Madrid/Frankfurt Goldman Sachs - Moving its investment banking arm to Frankfurt and Paris, and its asset management arm to Dublin, 400-500 staff. HSBC - May move 1,000 staff to Paris once Brexit is confirmed. JP Morgan - 400 staff on standby to move to Europe once Brexit is confirmed. Morgan Stanley - 400-500 staff to move to Paris/Dublin/Amsterdam RBS - 150 staff to Amsterdam. Societe Generale - 200 staff to Paris UBS - 200 staff to Frankfurt Wells Fargo - 200 staff to Luxemburg More than 500,000 work in the city. Even if all of the above happen that is 4,000 jobs. It ain’t going to affect London much if at all.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 1, 2019 13:39:59 GMT
They are all great policies id love most of them Where are the hidden policies that labour and Corbin will like but not the general public. Defence etc When will labour tell me how much it will cost me. Will my vat, ni, income tax etc go up Will it cause inflation as businesses put up prices to pay all these extras? It’s very easy to promise the earth This is one of their two biggest issues in this election, they need people to believe they can fund it. The second is stopping people voting against them just because it is Corbyn. I'd imagine their manifesto will state if it is costed or not. I’d be amazed if their manifesto didn’t contain detailed costings no doubt audited by an external organisation. Of course it will be total bollocks, but rest assured it will be there.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 1, 2019 13:45:59 GMT
Abolish the House of Lords and create elected second chamber Replace first past the post voting system and shift to proportional representation Mandatory by-elections if MPs change political party Non-payment of the £39 billion Brexit bill Slash the foreign aid budgetScrap the High Speed 2 railway network Create a high growth, low tax economy Zero business rates for high street shops ----- That is some manifesto. The three in bold: 1. very debatable whether that is legal 2. Unbearably sad that they believe that is our biggest issue. 3. pandering to big business with a provably awful model. That seems very much the manifesto of a party wanting us to become the USA. I’d be happy to see the foreign aid budget slashed if we saw a fair trade policy introduced. Developing countries need trade not aid.
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 1, 2019 14:11:19 GMT
Here's a question for you Dave why is Essex still on here after his disgraceful post last night? More to the question why are you? your bullying tactics will not work everyone can see through them!!
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Post by Northy on Nov 1, 2019 14:57:28 GMT
She left Parliament in 2010, she hasn't jumped ship when a sitting MP
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Post by yeokel on Nov 1, 2019 15:24:45 GMT
This is one of their two biggest issues in this election, they need people to believe they can fund it. The second is stopping people voting against them just because it is Corbyn. I'd imagine their manifesto will state if it is costed or not. I’d be amazed if their manifesto didn’t contain detailed costings no doubt audited by an external organisation. Of course it will be total bollocks, but rest assured it will be there. You have to be careful when comparing “costings”. Recently, Full Facts looked at Conservative and Labour pronouncements regarding recruiting extra police. Labour were “promising” to recruit more. But when the costs were analysed, the Tories had included costs such as recruitment and training in their figures. Labour, on the other hand, had included only salaries, nothing else. No like for like comparison was possible but, on this one, Labour was considerably understating the “costings”. Full Facts - Police Recruiting
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 1, 2019 15:49:57 GMT
I’d be amazed if their manifesto didn’t contain detailed costings no doubt audited by an external organisation. Of course it will be total bollocks, but rest assured it will be there. You have to be careful when comparing “costings”. Recently, Full Facts looked at Conservative and Labour pronouncements regarding recruiting extra police. Labour were “promising” to recruit more. But when the costs were analysed, the Tories had included costs such as recruitment and training in their figures. Labour, on the other hand, had included only salaries, nothing else. No like for like comparison was possible but, on this one, Labour was considerably understating the “costings”. Full Facts - Police RecruitingI think it would be good if parties had to submit their manifestos to an independent authority (maybe the audit office) prior to publication who would fact check their fiscal claims. Because what all parties publish is simply not trustworthy.
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Post by starkiller on Nov 1, 2019 16:15:04 GMT
Johnson's mistake was accepting another poor deal from the EU.
Now millions will be voting Brexit Party.
The Tories are deservedly finished unless they pact with Farage.
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 1, 2019 16:39:02 GMT
I’d be amazed if their manifesto didn’t contain detailed costings no doubt audited by an external organisation. Of course it will be total bollocks, but rest assured it will be there. You have to be careful when comparing “costings”. Recently, Full Facts looked at Conservative and Labour pronouncements regarding recruiting extra police. Labour were “promising” to recruit more. But when the costs were analysed, the Tories had included costs such as recruitment and training in their figures. Labour, on the other hand, had included only salaries, nothing else. No like for like comparison was possible but, on this one, Labour was considerably understating the “costings”. Full Facts - Police RecruitingDiane Abbott said the costs looked fine to her
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 1, 2019 16:43:45 GMT
Johnson's mistake was accepting another poor deal from the EU. Now millions will be voting Brexit Party. The Tories are deservedly finished unless they pact with Farage. And I bet they don't. The Remainers however will stick together for the greater cause. That's why I am against this election: it is a second referendum in all but name. All the Brexit Party does is split the Brexit vote. Labour might get in by default, and that boils my piss after their failed promise to honour the result at the last election. Now they are trying to take credit for giving people a second referendum! Utter fucking wankers.
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Post by countofmontecristo on Nov 1, 2019 17:22:37 GMT
Johnson's mistake was accepting another poor deal from the EU. Now millions will be voting Brexit Party. The Tories are deservedly finished unless they pact with Farage. And I bet they don't. The Remainers however will stick together for the greater cause. That's why I am against this election: it is a second referendum in all but name. All the Brexit Party does is split the Brexit vote. Labour might get in by default, and that boils my piss after their failed promise to honour the result at the last election. Now they are trying to take credit for giving people a second referendum! Utter fucking wankers. The ball is in Boris' court. A hung parliament is a real possibility if he doesn't do a deal with Farage and it will be 100% his fault. A deal with Farage virtually guarantees a Brexiteer dominated parliament that would place Boris in a very strong position to dictate terms to the EU but I'm not sure he has the bollocks for it!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 1, 2019 17:30:10 GMT
And I bet they don't. The Remainers however will stick together for the greater cause. That's why I am against this election: it is a second referendum in all but name. All the Brexit Party does is split the Brexit vote. Labour might get in by default, and that boils my piss after their failed promise to honour the result at the last election. Now they are trying to take credit for giving people a second referendum! Utter fucking wankers. The ball is in Boris' court. A hung parliament is a real possibility if he doesn't do a deal with Farage and it will be 100% his fault. A deal with Farage virtually guarantees a Brexiteer dominated parliament that would place Boris in a very strong position to dictate terms to the EU but I'm not sure he has the bollocks for it! Francois has just slated Farage. It's as if they don't really want Brexit, isn't it? Never understood why Farage et al weren't in the Tory Party anyway.
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Post by yeokel on Nov 1, 2019 17:38:06 GMT
Johnson's mistake was accepting another poor deal from the EU. Now millions will be voting Brexit Party. The Tories are deservedly finished unless they pact with Farage. Farage can't win, but he can possibly make a Tory defeat possible. I would normally cheer at that prospect but with this mess we are in, it fills me with dread. Corbyn as PM is the stuff of nightmares particularly when McDonut is there by his side pulling the strings (and dear old Diane alongside him too). Big tits from the Libs would be nice to look at during PMQs (especially in the summer) but she is no PM, and unsupportable over Brexit. And Boris is a disaster waiting to happen. Not to mention the likes of JRM and Raab alongside him. HELP......
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 1, 2019 17:41:33 GMT
And I bet they don't. The Remainers however will stick together for the greater cause. That's why I am against this election: it is a second referendum in all but name. All the Brexit Party does is split the Brexit vote. Labour might get in by default, and that boils my piss after their failed promise to honour the result at the last election. Now they are trying to take credit for giving people a second referendum! Utter fucking wankers. The ball is in Boris' court. A hung parliament is a real possibility if he doesn't do a deal with Farage and it will be 100% his fault. A deal with Farage virtually guarantees a Brexiteer dominated parliament that would place Boris in a very strong position to dictate terms to the EU but I'm not sure he has the bollocks for it! Farage is toxic to too many voters including folk who voted to leave. The most likely outcome of a high vote for the BP is to lead to a remain coalition in Westminster and a second referendum which would see a binary choice between a Brexit that means we stay in the single market (remember Labour have committed to support freedom of movement of people) or remain. In other words a vote for the Brexit Party is a vote to kill Brexit. Which is quite funny when you think about it.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 1, 2019 17:48:03 GMT
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Post by yeokel on Nov 1, 2019 18:00:14 GMT
The ball is in Boris' court. A hung parliament is a real possibility if he doesn't do a deal with Farage and it will be 100% his fault. A deal with Farage virtually guarantees a Brexiteer dominated parliament that would place Boris in a very strong position to dictate terms to the EU but I'm not sure he has the bollocks for it! Farage is toxic to too many voters including folk who voted to leave. The most likely outcome of a high vote for the BP is to lead to a remain coalition in Westminster and a second referendum which would see a binary choice between a Brexit that means we stay in the single market (remember Labour have committed to support freedom of movement of people) or remain. In other words a vote for the Brexit Party is a vote to kill Brexit.Which is quite funny when you think about it. That really would be the nuclear option for a remainer. I wonder if there are many of them brave enough to do that as a tactical vote?
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Post by salopstick on Nov 1, 2019 18:02:08 GMT
The brexit party will also split the labour vote in northern areas where they wanted brexit, will no longer vote labour but won’t vote tory
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Post by prettything on Nov 1, 2019 18:13:34 GMT
Johnson's mistake was accepting another poor deal from the EU. Now millions will be voting Brexit Party. The Tories are deservedly finished unless they pact with Farage. What deal would you be satisfied with? I think there were a lot people who were led to believe that we would be able to have our cake and eat it when leaving the EU, and are now disappointed this isn’t the case. It would be interesting to know the wishes of leavers on here on what they consider a good deal would look like?
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Post by henry on Nov 1, 2019 18:41:31 GMT
Labour majority 12/1 from 20s. Change may yet be coming, and it fills me with fucking dred. If Boris doesn't work with Nige, then brexit it over. It's taken them nearly 4 years but they are closing in on their goal.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 1, 2019 18:44:09 GMT
Johnson's mistake was accepting another poor deal from the EU. Now millions will be voting Brexit Party. The Tories are deservedly finished unless they pact with Farage. What deal would you be satisfied with? I think there were a lot people who were led to believe that we would be able to have our cake and eat it when leaving the EU, and are now disappointed this isn’t the case. It would be interesting to know the wishes of leavers on here on what they consider a good deal would look like? A "deal" is a separate issue from being in or out of the EU. It is possible not to be in the organisation and not to have a " deal" It is now about democracy.
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