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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 24, 2019 13:20:30 GMT
You don't think a defeat to a League 2 club in our current predicament, irrespective of the team we put out, would be damaging? I think any defeat at the moment would be damaging, but I don't think it'd see him sacked tonight. If they haven't wanted to boot him so far, I don't see why it'd be cup game that would sway them. It'd 100% sway me and I'd have sacked him already but I'm looking at it from the board's POV. I agree, I don't think it'll see him gone but it'll be damaging nevertheless.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 24, 2019 13:22:34 GMT
With a draw it would very much depend on the performance I think. A cowering, hanging on draw where we play deep and create nothing at home would almost be like a defeat. Some semblance of something to build on would scrape him through probably. If we can't get Hughton or Moyes it's hard to shake the feeling we'll end up stuck with Pulis again. Let's hope he pulls something out of the bag then ;-) Personally, I think I might rather have Moyes than Hughton. This squad should be in contention for promotion and I think DM is a better bet if we got promoted at some point. We're 24th in the Championship, not sure we have the luxury of recruiting a manager for our glorious Premier League survival campaign! Also not entirely convinced Moyes (and Pulis for that matter) aren't busted flushes, though of the likely graveyard we'd be looking at, Moyes still seems one of the better candidates.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 24, 2019 13:33:54 GMT
Let's hope he pulls something out of the bag then ;-) Personally, I think I might rather have Moyes than Hughton. This squad should be in contention for promotion and I think DM is a better bet if we got promoted at some point. We're 24th in the Championship, not sure we have the luxury of recruiting a manager for our glorious Premier League survival campaign! Also not entirely convinced Moyes (and Pulis for that matter) aren't busted flushes, though of the likely graveyard we'd be looking at, Moyes still seems one of the better candidates. We're 23rd FFS.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 13:36:26 GMT
You don't think a defeat to a League 2 club in our current predicament, irrespective of the team we put out, would be damaging? I think any defeat at the moment would be damaging, but I don't think it'd see him sacked tonight. If they haven't wanted to boot him so far, I don't see why it'd be cup game that would sway them. It'd 100% sway me and I'd have sacked him already but I'm looking at it from the board's POV. I think the board would be extremely foolish to sack Jones on the basis of a Caraboa defeat, but you have to remember that two of his predecessors lost their job right after (Hughes) or soon after (Rowett) bad cup results, albeit FA cup results.
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 24, 2019 13:36:49 GMT
If he picked a mix of reserves and kiddies tonight and they lost, I cant really see why that would make any difference whatsoever. You don't think a defeat to a League 2 club in our current predicament, irrespective of the team we put out, would be damaging? Damaging, maybe, but in the grand scheme of things it's not a massively important game. It would be strange if everything was fine after the draw at the weekend, but a cup game against a lower league team was the straw that broke the camel's back. I think he would still be in charge if we lost both games this week, performances depending.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 24, 2019 13:50:46 GMT
You don't think a defeat to a League 2 club in our current predicament, irrespective of the team we put out, would be damaging? Damaging, maybe, but in the grand scheme of things it's not a massively important game. It would be strange if everything was fine after the draw at the weekend, but a cup game against a lower league team was the straw that broke the camel's back. I think he would still be in charge if we lost both games this week, performances depending. We’re not talking about whether he’ll still be in charge though are we? We’re talking about whether it’ll make a difference. I doubt it’ll get him sacked, but it all feeds into the increasingly toxic narrative that we can’t buy a win against anyone.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 24, 2019 14:03:51 GMT
A defeat tonight won't see Nathan issued with his P45. How can you honestly come to that conclusion mate? I think others have already explained it mate. It's the league that matters, moreso than ever. I think he's got two league games and 4 points is a minimum he needs in my opinion.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 24, 2019 14:06:15 GMT
How can you honestly come to that conclusion mate? I think others have already explained it mate. It's the league that matters, moreso than ever. I think he's got two league games and 4 points is a minimum he needs in my opinion. I’d be amazed if he survived a defeat to a league 2 club tonight personally but each to their own mate
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 14:46:51 GMT
Can’t see him surviving a loss against Crawley
Even count Peter would rise from his ancient slumber and hit the trigger
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 24, 2019 15:34:23 GMT
He'll go if he loses tonight and Friday.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 24, 2019 15:43:19 GMT
So the answer is we stick with a manager who has won 3 out of nearly 30 league games 10% win rate, has brought in 12 of his own players, spent millions on players, ousted Pieters and Bojan and replaced them with an OAP and a perennial walking sick note, chops and changes his team on a regular basis, chops and changes systems on a regular basis, brings in players who do not fit his preferred system, fails to sign a LB at all, signs a pub player as DM, signs a GK who the disappears, promises an athletic, young, hungry team, fast attacking football a team to be proud of, asks to be judged after assembling his own team then plays only three of his own signings, targets promotion pre season and as we are we are second from bottom of the Championship after 8 games with no League win
I now see why you think we should keep Jones, you are barking.
Pieters and Bojan didn't want to be here so they were rightly let go. We do not have the money to sign good players. He has to "target" promotion, of course he does. The money we've wasted will come home to roost. We will be in League 1 before long and it won't be Jones fault. I can't believe Mr Scholes still has a suit and tie let alone a job at Stoke City Football Club. Look at Sunderland. Who would we get to come in now? Even Chris Kamara would decide it's not worth the embarrassment. Chris fucking Kamara. He paid £9m for Vokes FFS, £3m for Batth and £4m for a fullback we didn't need, the rest of his signings are free or loans (which he stated he wouldn't do), who do you blame for signing the dross Jones brought here ?
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 24, 2019 15:43:54 GMT
He'll go if he loses tonight and Friday. More likely I would think but still think he's got two league games max.
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Post by thehoof on Sept 24, 2019 16:48:31 GMT
I think he'll survive tonight whatever the weather but lose Friday and he's gone. What if they win well tonight and then lose on Friday? The difficulty for Nathan is that the pressure is being cranked up on some tough games. 80 minutes with 10 men against in-form Bristol City, a tricky away game against a Brentford team that hammered Derby in their last home game then a TV game against a Nottingham Forest team unbeaten in the last 5, 6th in the table who have only conceded 6 goals in 8 games. I wouldn't like to have to win that match on Friday night to save my job. He should have won some of the other 30 then.
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Post by Sfance on Sept 24, 2019 16:56:47 GMT
The only reason he’s still here is that Coates & Co haven’t been able to find a replacement. Q. Will you please, pretty please come and manage us? A. Is Scholes still running things? Q. Yes. A. Then No
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Post by strettonstokie on Sept 24, 2019 17:01:57 GMT
A defeat tonight is absolutely damaging!! It will not be the final nail in the coffin but if we do loose tonight then Friday is absolutely a must win game and failure to do that will see him sacked, I still don't see what delaying the inevitable is going to achieve either? Nathan is quite clearly not the man for this job and I don't suppose ever will be
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Post by slother on Sept 24, 2019 17:14:53 GMT
Pieters and Bojan didn't want to be here so they were rightly let go. We do not have the money to sign good players. He has to "target" promotion, of course he does. The money we've wasted will come home to roost. We will be in League 1 before long and it won't be Jones fault. I can't believe Mr Scholes still has a suit and tie let alone a job at Stoke City Football Club. Look at Sunderland. Who would we get to come in now? Even Chris Kamara would decide it's not worth the embarrassment. Chris fucking Kamara. He paid £9m for Vokes FFS, £3m for Batth and £4m for a fullback we didn't need, the rest of his signings are free or loans (which he stated he wouldn't do), who do you blame for signing the dross Jones brought here ? Wage budget. Years of ruinous economics. And if/when he goes, who picks his replacement? The same sorry band of incompetents. All of you shouting at the manager on the bench need to lift your eyes to the box 50 feet above his head.
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Post by christhepotter on Sept 24, 2019 17:17:16 GMT
I don’t get why ppl are saying his job depends on the certain results in the next few games , me I don’t care if he wins them all , he should still be sacked because of his whole record whilst he’s been here , got be one of the worst ever , I’ve been watching stoke 42 years and I know a bad manager when I see one
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 24, 2019 17:25:37 GMT
I don’t get why ppl are saying his job depends on the certain results in the next few games , me I don’t care if he wins them all , he should still be sacked because of his whole record whilst he’s been here , got be one of the worst ever , I’ve been watching stoke 42 years and I know a bad manager when I see one So let's say he wins the next 3 games in a row, you still want him sacked?
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Post by stokeson on Sept 24, 2019 17:29:25 GMT
I don’t get why ppl are saying his job depends on the certain results in the next few games , me I don’t care if he wins them all , he should still be sacked because of his whole record whilst he’s been here , got be one of the worst ever , I’ve been watching stoke 42 years and I know a bad manager when I see one So let's say he wins the next 3 games in a row, you still want him sacked?
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Post by christhepotter on Sept 24, 2019 17:46:35 GMT
I don’t get why ppl are saying his job depends on the certain results in the next few games , me I don’t care if he wins them all , he should still be sacked because of his whole record whilst he’s been here , got be one of the worst ever , I’ve been watching stoke 42 years and I know a bad manager when I see one So let's say he wins the next 3 games in a row, you still want him sacked? Yes it changes nothing , his record from day one is appallingly
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Post by DC1863 on Sept 24, 2019 19:48:34 GMT
I reckon back to back defeats to Forest & Hfield, following from a loss tonight, would lead to Jones being sacked, rightly or wrongly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 20:13:43 GMT
I don’t get why ppl are saying his job depends on the certain results in the next few games , me I don’t care if he wins them all , he should still be sacked because of his whole record whilst he’s been here , got be one of the worst ever , I’ve been watching stoke 42 years and I know a bad manager when I see one So let's say he wins the next 3 games in a row, you still want him sacked? You believe in miracles then.
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Post by questionable on Sept 24, 2019 20:25:55 GMT
He'll go if he loses tonight and Friday. Just tonight, hmmm I’d say first thing in the morning. New manager in for Fridays game, NJ is clueless beyond belief
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 24, 2019 20:43:46 GMT
Sad, really like Jones as a person but it isn't working for him here. Problem is who will replace him, hopefully not Oil is, prefer to keep Jones than him.
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Post by questionable on Sept 24, 2019 20:46:00 GMT
I’m stunned that any Stoke fan still thinks NJ shouldn’t be sacked.
Face facts he’s totally useless
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 24, 2019 20:47:09 GMT
It’s utter and complete madness he’s still here. John Barnes, Carlton Palmer, Paul Jewell .... Nathan Jones.
The reason it worries me he’s still here is that the only reason he would be is if an adequate replacement isn’t found. So either Hughton has turned us down, or the board are prevaricating over on Jones vs Hughton as the better bet.
scenario 1 worries me because if not Hughton, an excellent candidate, then who? (Has been, secon rater or another unqualified pup?)
scenario 2 worries me because it means the dumb plankton in the boardroom are still no nearer making their first non-apocalyptic decision in years.
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Post by Coll40 on Sept 24, 2019 20:54:06 GMT
He's got to go. Simple.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 24, 2019 20:54:44 GMT
That's it, surely?
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Post by potter25 on Sept 24, 2019 20:54:52 GMT
Get him gone Enough is enough
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 24, 2019 20:54:53 GMT
For the love of god resign!
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