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Post by zerps on Sept 7, 2019 11:22:35 GMT
We did the right thing employing a young ambitious manager. It doesn’t look like it’s going to work out. You can sack the manager but the root of the problem will still remain. Unfortunately nobody can put their finger on what it actually is. "We did the right thing employing a young ambitious manager. " Not when he had zero experience of the league (or managing in a league of this standard at least), or of managing a situaton that reflected our challenge at hand we didn't. And also when that manager had relied on other backroom staff to get his success, who weren't joining him. It was a stupid decision. Never say never in football, but we'd have been very very lucky if it had worked. Granted there are deeper problems too. However, having an incompetent manager is not helping. I just believe that despite the backroom nepostism and dysfunction, that there is still a manager that is capable of turning us into a team that are not bottom 3. Rowett won more than he lost even. We then live to fight another day. With Peter taking up the reigns more again, and Cartwright going, we can at least hope that the backroom picture is starting to be addressed. It’s not the manager.
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Post by adi on Sept 7, 2019 12:31:52 GMT
Appointing jones was a terrible mistake, he’s obviously not qualified and he’s now also lumbered us with 11 new players who don’t look up to much, the club need to act swiftly now before any more damage is done, appoint a manager who can guide us out of this mess and reboot next season. When do the parachute payments end? Next season?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 12:33:27 GMT
"We did the right thing employing a young ambitious manager. " Not when he had zero experience of the league (or managing in a league of this standard at least), or of managing a situaton that reflected our challenge at hand we didn't. And also when that manager had relied on other backroom staff to get his success, who weren't joining him. It was a stupid decision. Never say never in football, but we'd have been very very lucky if it had worked. Granted there are deeper problems too. However, having an incompetent manager is not helping. I just believe that despite the backroom nepostism and dysfunction, that there is still a manager that is capable of turning us into a team that are not bottom 3. Rowett won more than he lost even. We then live to fight another day. With Peter taking up the reigns more again, and Cartwright going, we can at least hope that the backroom picture is starting to be addressed. It’s not the manager. Of course it is. He doesn’t have a clue. Signed players that aren’t right for his system. Hasn’t got the foggiest where to turn now his diamond doesn’t work. His in game management is appalling. Whilst there are other problems at the club he is a problem and the most pressing one at the moment.
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Post by march4 on Sept 7, 2019 13:01:14 GMT
"We did the right thing employing a young ambitious manager. " Not when he had zero experience of the league (or managing in a league of this standard at least), or of managing a situaton that reflected our challenge at hand we didn't. And also when that manager had relied on other backroom staff to get his success, who weren't joining him. It was a stupid decision. Never say never in football, but we'd have been very very lucky if it had worked. Granted there are deeper problems too. However, having an incompetent manager is not helping. I just believe that despite the backroom nepostism and dysfunction, that there is still a manager that is capable of turning us into a team that are not bottom 3. Rowett won more than he lost even. We then live to fight another day. With Peter taking up the reigns more again, and Cartwright going, we can at least hope that the backroom picture is starting to be addressed. It’s not the manager. I’m afraid it is, mate. As someone said on another thread, if we’d appointed SJW we would have won more games. That would have been true of Whelan or Crouch as well. I’m not suggesting any of them should be manager for us or any other club. However, it goes to show what calamitous reign Jones has had at SCFC.
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Post by zerps on Sept 7, 2019 13:05:27 GMT
I’m afraid it is, mate. As someone said on another thread, if we’d appointed SJW we would have won more games. That would have been true of Whelan or Crouch as well. I’m not suggesting any of them should be manager for us or any other club. However, it goes to show what calamitous reign Jones has had at SCFC. It started before Jones though mate
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Post by march4 on Sept 7, 2019 13:09:00 GMT
I’m afraid it is, mate. As someone said on another thread, if we’d appointed SJW we would have won more games. That would have been true of Whelan or Crouch as well. I’m not suggesting any of them should be manager for us or any other club. However, it goes to show what calamitous reign Jones has had at SCFC. It started before Jones though mate No denying that, you are quite right. But the appointments of Lambert, Rowett and Jones have been successively more awful. And it was pretty obvious from day 1 that these appointments just weren’t going to work.
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Post by zerps on Sept 7, 2019 13:10:35 GMT
It started before Jones though mate No denying that, you are quite right. But the appointments of Lambert, Rowett and Jones have been successively more awful. And it was pretty obvious from day 1 that these appointments just weren’t going to work. They might aswell let the fans vote for a new manager
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Post by march4 on Sept 7, 2019 13:47:10 GMT
No denying that, you are quite right. But the appointments of Lambert, Rowett and Jones have been successively more awful. And it was pretty obvious from day 1 that these appointments just weren’t going to work. They might aswell let the fans vote for a new manager You mean like Brexit?
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Post by zerps on Sept 7, 2019 13:49:26 GMT
They might aswell let the fans vote for a new manager You mean like Brexit? Yeah then when one manager wins we can keep voting until everyone votes for the same manager
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Post by tpholloway1 on Sept 7, 2019 13:50:59 GMT
No denying that, you are quite right. But the appointments of Lambert, Rowett and Jones have been successively more awful. And it was pretty obvious from day 1 that these appointments just weren’t going to work. They might aswell let the fans vote for a new manager They couldn't do any worse.
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 7, 2019 14:56:39 GMT
"We did the right thing employing a young ambitious manager. " Not when he had zero experience of the league (or managing in a league of this standard at least), or of managing a situaton that reflected our challenge at hand we didn't. And also when that manager had relied on other backroom staff to get his success, who weren't joining him. It was a stupid decision. Never say never in football, but we'd have been very very lucky if it had worked. Granted there are deeper problems too. However, having an incompetent manager is not helping. I just believe that despite the backroom nepostism and dysfunction, that there is still a manager that is capable of turning us into a team that are not bottom 3. Rowett won more than he lost even. We then live to fight another day. With Peter taking up the reigns more again, and Cartwright going, we can at least hope that the backroom picture is starting to be addressed. It’s not the manager. Sorry, we'll have to disagree on that one. I totally agree with your point problems run deeper too though.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 7, 2019 15:34:38 GMT
It started before Jones though mate No denying that, you are quite right. But the appointments of Lambert, Rowett and Jones have been successively more awful. And it was pretty obvious from day 1 that these appointments just weren’t going to work. I know I in the end thought getting rid of Lambert was the right thing to do, but in hindsight I actually think we'd been in a much better position now if he had stayed. At least he steadied the ship and got us harder to beat, and that was in the PL as well.
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Post by stokief on Sept 7, 2019 15:45:39 GMT
No denying that, you are quite right. But the appointments of Lambert, Rowett and Jones have been successively more awful. And it was pretty obvious from day 1 that these appointments just weren’t going to work. I know I in the end thought getting rid of Lambert was the right thing to do, but in hinsight I actually think we'd been in a much better position now if he had stayed. At least he steadied the ship and got us harder to beat, and that was in the PL as well. Yep, we were so convinced that we'd get some young manager in and turn all the cr@p around weren't we? Well, that don't work. One last roll of the dice to try and save absolute capitulation. I wanted Jones to succeed , it's not going to happen. Nobody likes to see such a turnover in management but I'm afraid he seems devoid of how to get results. Unpopular as this is, TP is the man to come back. I'll keep saying it and hope that it happens because for all of Tone's 'baggage' I'm convinced it's meant to be. Think Lambert would've had problems with this squad when we got relegated. Too many bruised egos, poor pets Still haven't got rid of all the deadwood but I think we need a hard nosed, tough-talking, experienced manager now to get the most out of what we have left and I believe there are players here that TP could work very easily with. The likes of Hogan, Gregory etc. and contrary to belief, I think he would play the likes of Edwards and Collins. They seem just his sort of 'character'. Well, time will tell. TP's probably not on the horizon which is a relief to a lot on here but I personally think we're stuffed with any other young buck of 'has-been'.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 7, 2019 15:47:30 GMT
I know I in the end thought getting rid of Lambert was the right thing to do, but in hinsight I actually think we'd been in a much better position now if he had stayed. At least he steadied the ship and got us harder to beat, and that was in the PL as well. Yep, we were so convinced that we'd get some young manager in and turn all the cr@p around weren't we? Well, that don't work. One last roll of the dice to try and save absolute capitulation. I wanted Jones to succeed , it's not going to happen. Nobody likes to see such a turnover in management but I'm afraid he seems devoid of how to get results. Unpopular as this is, TP is the man to come back. I'll keep saying it and hope that it happens because for all of Tone's 'baggage' I'm convinced it's meant to be. Think Lambert would've had problems with this squad when we got relegated. Too many bruised egos, poor pets Still haven't got rid of all the deadwood but I think we need a hard nosed, tough-talking, experienced manager now to get the most out of what we have left and I believe there are players here that TP could work very easily with. The likes of Hogan, Gregory etc. and contrary to belief, I think he would play the likes of Edwards and Collins. They seem just his sort of 'character'. Well, time will tell. TP's probably not on the horizon which is a relief to a lot on here but I personally think we're stuffed with any other young buck of 'has-been'. Edwards is a) a full back and b) a young one. There's more chance of him playing an actual rhino.
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Post by stokief on Sept 7, 2019 15:49:27 GMT
Yep, we were so convinced that we'd get some young manager in and turn all the cr@p around weren't we? Well, that don't work. One last roll of the dice to try and save absolute capitulation. I wanted Jones to succeed , it's not going to happen. Nobody likes to see such a turnover in management but I'm afraid he seems devoid of how to get results. Unpopular as this is, TP is the man to come back. I'll keep saying it and hope that it happens because for all of Tone's 'baggage' I'm convinced it's meant to be. Think Lambert would've had problems with this squad when we got relegated. Too many bruised egos, poor pets Still haven't got rid of all the deadwood but I think we need a hard nosed, tough-talking, experienced manager now to get the most out of what we have left and I believe there are players here that TP could work very easily with. The likes of Hogan, Gregory etc. and contrary to belief, I think he would play the likes of Edwards and Collins. They seem just his sort of 'character'. Well, time will tell. TP's probably not on the horizon which is a relief to a lot on here but I personally think we're stuffed with any other young buck of 'has-been'. Edwards is a) a full back and b) a young one. There's more chance of him playing an actual rhino. We'll see..hopefully!
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Post by The man from Utch on Sept 7, 2019 15:53:04 GMT
I don't think any manager could turn things around the way in the we'd like them to do so at the moment. To me the buck stops with the ownership.
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Post by thehoof on Sept 7, 2019 16:20:26 GMT
I don't think any manager could turn things around the way in the we'd like them to do so at the moment. To me the buck stops with the ownership. Yes- they appointed the clueless Nathan. While our league position is not just down to Jones, he is 95 % to blame. We were 13th when he took over- with the same players plus his additions we have managed 3 wins and are rock bottom. That is following his tactics, team selections and daft substitutions- if it’s down to bad luck then he still needs to be binned- as Napoleon said “ I’d sooner have lucky Generals than good Generals.”
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Post by robrigo on Sept 7, 2019 16:36:43 GMT
Right now, this manager is turning out to be the most calamitous reign in my 39 years of supporting Stoke City. He’s surpassing the likes of Kamara, Ball, Little, Bates etc. His record is a disaster.
It’s a shame because if I’m being honest I was happy with his appointment and thought he would bring success which I hope he does and rams my words back down my throat.
Right now, I’d prefer Lambert over him, and that’s desperation talking.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 7, 2019 17:54:32 GMT
26 league games and only 3 victories, are there any worse managers in history? 1984/85?
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Post by scfcwebby on Sept 7, 2019 18:05:33 GMT
No denying that, you are quite right. But the appointments of Lambert, Rowett and Jones have been successively more awful. And it was pretty obvious from day 1 that these appointments just weren’t going to work. They might aswell let the fans vote for a new manager I think most fans got what they wanted when we got Rowett, there weren't too many disappointed fans from what i can remember
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 8, 2019 20:04:22 GMT
Just wants more time. We haven't bloody got time Nath at this rate!
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 8, 2019 20:06:49 GMT
Just wants more time. We haven't bloody got time Nath at this rate! Only 40 games 😉
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 20:08:05 GMT
Just wants more time. We haven't bloody got time Nath at this rate! NJ: judge me after preseason with my team Six games in: we’ve got one point and you’re a bit shit NJ: give me more time 🙄
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Post by callas12 on Sept 8, 2019 20:30:03 GMT
I recall the last manager who asked for more time & it became one of Mick Mills lasting legacies with us..!
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 8, 2019 20:33:05 GMT
Just wants more time. We haven't bloody got time Nath at this rate! NJ: judge me after preseason with my team Six games in: we’ve got one point and you’re a bit shit NJ: give me more time 🙄 At the time he probably thought even the most harshest of stoke fan wouldn't judge him after 6 games 😊. Christmas maybe, 6 games? Nah
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 20:36:53 GMT
NJ: judge me after preseason with my team Six games in: we’ve got one point and you’re a bit shit NJ: give me more time 🙄 At the time he probably thought even the most harshest of stoke fan wouldn't judge him after 6 games 😊. Christmas maybe, 6 games? Nah He’s had 9 months. He was shit last season then said well he needs a preseason and now he’s had it he wants more time. Going on about more time not wanting a ride in a helicopter just shows how small time he is. It’s embarrassing. Another interview banging on about Luton. He’s not as good as he thinks he is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 20:39:16 GMT
At the time he probably thought even the most harshest of stoke fan wouldn't judge him after 6 games 😊. Christmas maybe, 6 games? Nah He’s had 9 months. He was shit last season then said well he needs a preseason and now he’s had it he wants more time. Going on about more time not wanting a ride in a helicopter just shows how small time he is. It’s embarrassing. Another interview banging on about Luton. He’s not as good as he thinks he is. He's had 6 games with his team, and the last half of last season with a side that almost everyone said was shite. He deserves more time because we the other option is we bring in a dinosaur and stay rooted in the bottom 6 of this league for the whole season. I'd rather we stick by Jones than bring in a TP, Moyes, Hughton. Not that we could get the latter 2.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 20:42:37 GMT
He’s had 9 months. He was shit last season then said well he needs a preseason and now he’s had it he wants more time. Going on about more time not wanting a ride in a helicopter just shows how small time he is. It’s embarrassing. Another interview banging on about Luton. He’s not as good as he thinks he is. He's had 6 games with his team, and the last half of last season with a side that almost everyone said was shite. He deserves more time because we the other option is we bring in a dinosaur and stay rooted in the bottom 6 of this league for the whole season. I'd rather we stick by Jones than bring in a TP, Moyes, Hughton. Not that we could get the latter 2. He’s hardly playing the players he’s bought because they aren’t any better. In fact most are worse. He’s made a complete hash of it and can’t do anything other than this diamond he doesn’t have the players for. They aren’t bad players. Any “dinosaur” manager could get something out them with their experience the problem is NJ has one plan and that’s it. It’s too much too soon for him. We’ve only got worse under NJ and there have been no signs it’s getting better. I can’t believe he’s still got a job if I’m honest but we have a history of leaving things to late.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 8, 2019 20:46:08 GMT
Just wants more time. We haven't bloody got time Nath at this rate! NJ: judge me after preseason with my team Six games in: we’ve got one point and you’re a bit shit NJ: give me more time 🙄 Did he say judge me after 6 games, forgetting last season as that meant nothing apart from he got a look at some of the players do you think 6 games is fair, say we had signed a manager in the summer and the same happened would you still be calling for his head?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 20:48:18 GMT
NJ: judge me after preseason with my team Six games in: we’ve got one point and you’re a bit shit NJ: give me more time 🙄 Did he say judge me after 6 games, forgetting last season as that meant nothing apart from he got a look at some of the players do you think 6 games is fair, say we signed a manager in the summer and the same happened would you still be calling for his head? So he made a hash of last season then said to judge him after preseason. He had a preseason, signed 11 players, made a hash of that and now he’s asking for more time? The man who was getting promoted five short weeks ago. You’ve seen it with your own eyes he doesn’t have a clue. The league table doesn’t lie.
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