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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 13:31:33 GMT
How many more losses will it take to convince the Circus owners that the clown they put in charge is in fact fucking useless at the job ? And as a reverse, will one solitary win signal a change in fortunes? I doubt it.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Sept 2, 2019 13:34:11 GMT
What frustrates me more than anything is the complete silence from the club.
Grow some bollocks and make a statement backing your man.
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Post by LankyPotter on Sept 2, 2019 13:38:29 GMT
It's coming. Spinksy wasn't taking a punt, and was speaking with the confidence of someone who knew full well which way the wind was blowing. He's obviously been told nothing is going to happen this international break Yep, especially coupled with the club posting this Zero chance they'd tweet that and sack him before his next league game... Perhaps most annoying is them nailing their flag to the cross so early, surely atleast sound out potential interested parties and use the international break to have a think rather than deciding in the first weekend to keep him. I wouldn’t read into anything the media team put out they are fucking clueless at their own jobs so it doesn’t mean a thing.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 2, 2019 13:41:00 GMT
GET RID NOW!
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Post by robrigo on Sept 2, 2019 13:41:59 GMT
Yay! Let’s just carry on as we are- straight to the division below.
This club is like my hairy arse at times! A blind dog can see this isn’t working! It’s the same old shit but a different day.
(Probably go on a ten match unbeaten run and surge up the table now).
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 2, 2019 13:57:57 GMT
Can anyone check our stats for games played directly after a break (whether International or FA cup), I wouldn't have thought they make for easy reading?
I'd look up the stats mesen but like our players, management and owners I really couldn't be arsed to put in the hard yard to make anything positive happen.
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Post by musik on Sept 2, 2019 14:02:15 GMT
(Probably go on a ten match unbeaten run and surge up the table now). I'm 75% sure we'll beat Bristol City. I'm also pretty convinced we'll survive the next cup round vs Crawley. Question is: Brentford and Nottingham. If these both are losses he have to go anyway.
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Post by serpico on Sept 2, 2019 14:05:38 GMT
Pretty scary to think that perhaps he wasn’t the main instigator behind lutons success and it had more to do with the people behind the scenes scouting players for him, it seems like he might have just got lucky at Luton to be surrounded by people who knew what they were doing.
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Post by serpico on Sept 2, 2019 14:08:04 GMT
(Probably go on a ten match unbeaten run and surge up the table now). I'm 75% sure we'll beat Bristol City. I'm also pretty convinced we'll survive the next cup round vs Crawley. Question is: Brentford and Nottingham. If these both are losses he have to go anyway. Bristol are doing quite well, above both forest and Brentford in the table
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 2, 2019 14:09:01 GMT
(Probably go on a ten match unbeaten run and surge up the table now). I'm 75% sure we'll beat Bristol City. I'm also pretty convinced we'll survive the next cup round vs Crawley. Question is: Brentford and Nottingham. If these both are losses he have to go anyway. I admire your confidence!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 2, 2019 14:10:34 GMT
I don't think it is our style to just sack the manager unless there is someone else lined up. I'm sure we are putting out feelers, maybe a positive response from a moyes or hughton would prompt them to take action? Really really hope so. I can't believe Jones will still be in charge for the next game. Surely not Looking forward to this fiver, do you want to transfer it now?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 2, 2019 14:10:35 GMT
I don't think it is our style to just sack the manager unless there is someone else lined up. I'm sure we are putting out feelers, maybe a positive response from a moyes or hughton would prompt them to take action? Really really hope so. I can't believe Jones will still be in charge for the next game. Surely not Yet they’re still allowing Jones to set the agenda with Verlinden going on loan? No it’s head in the sand time unless they’re totally certifiable. There is no doubt the owners will be putting the feelers out. I still believe that, and also that if there is a positive response from the one or two they want, Jones would be sacked. They aren't going to just sack him without having someone lined up.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 2, 2019 14:12:07 GMT
I don't think it is our style to just sack the manager unless there is someone else lined up. I'm sure we are putting out feelers, maybe a positive response from a moyes or hughton would prompt them to take action? Really really hope so. I can't believe Jones will still be in charge for the next game. Surely not Looking forward to this fiver, do you want to transfer it now? Not just yet! I've no doubt he'll be sacked, I still think it could be before the next game.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 2, 2019 14:12:08 GMT
(Probably go on a ten match unbeaten run and surge up the table now). I'm 75% sure we'll beat Bristol City. I'm also pretty convinced we'll survive the next cup round vs Crawley. Question is: Brentford and Nottingham. If these both are losses he have to go anyway. Bristol City ripped us to shreds couple of years ago in Cup game. They have improved since then so I’m expecting them to beat us after the break.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Sept 2, 2019 14:14:23 GMT
Can Benik play against us?
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 2, 2019 14:16:33 GMT
Pretty scary to think that perhaps he wasn’t the main instigator behind lutons success and it had more to do with the people behind the scenes scouting players for him, it seems like he might have just got lucky at Luton to be surrounded by people who knew what they were doing. I suppose that is possible. Yes... quite scary. Ray Harford was his main man wasn't he? Was Paul Hart with him at Luton? If he wasn't then it's very scary.
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Post by FrankButcher on Sept 2, 2019 14:19:14 GMT
Pretty scary to think that perhaps he wasn’t the main instigator behind lutons success and it had more to do with the people behind the scenes scouting players for him, it seems like he might have just got lucky at Luton to be surrounded by people who knew what they were doing. I suppose that is possible. Yes... quite scary. Ray Harford was his main man wasn't he? Was Paul Hart with him at Luton? If he wasn't then it's very scary. Paul Hart left for Notts County didn't he to become their Director of football??
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 2, 2019 14:22:02 GMT
Looking forward to this fiver, do you want to transfer it now? Not just yet! I've no doubt he'll be sacked, I still think it could be before the next game. I don't know why you're so surprised. This is exactly what got us into this mess in the first place. The summer of 2017 Hughes should have gone so they had chance to get in a quality top level replacement but they bottled it. The club is run by bottle merchants.
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Post by stevoyork on Sept 2, 2019 14:24:16 GMT
Jones is proroguing
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2019 14:25:58 GMT
Pretty scary to think that perhaps he wasn’t the main instigator behind lutons success and it had more to do with the people behind the scenes scouting players for him, it seems like he might have just got lucky at Luton to be surrounded by people who knew what they were doing. I suppose that is possible. Yes... quite scary. Ray Harford was his main man wasn't he? Was Paul Hart with him at Luton? If he wasn't then it's very scary. Mick Harford and Steve Rutter. Wasn't another guy at Derby thought to be the brains behind Rowett and he never came either? I remember there being some discussion about the issues with him not coming at the time?
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Post by minnierover on Sept 2, 2019 14:33:42 GMT
Harford was a big driving force behind Jones at Luton. He headed player recruiting and found the gems. Jones is a little boy lost without him. Apparently Luton said Harford had to stay if they were to let Jones go and we agreed. They obviously knew what they were doing and we should have insisted on Harford or pulled out of the whole thing. It’s clear Jones can’t recruit players or motivate players like Harford can. Our board were weak and ill informed, Luton had us over. Don’t think anyone at Luton is too surprised at our plight and Jones’ ineptitude.
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Post by stokiekm on Sept 2, 2019 14:33:46 GMT
Nope, perhaps they have strapped themselves in for the “project” for good or bad. This is such a shitty situation as we are spiralling downwards and difficult to know what the best of a horrible set of choices to make- trust in Jones through thick and thin to sort this and build some continuity or get back on the sacking merry go round and risk actually setting us back further in the long term (reputation as a sacking club, even more deadwood as a new manager brings in his own players where possible). Bad bad times Spot on. Sacking the manager isn't the obvious solution many on here seem to think. The thing we need is some stability - but if Jones doesn't deliver pretty quickly that option goes out the window - and any incoming manager has to contend with exactly the same set of problems with the same set of player and no preseason to bed in his approach. That is not a recipe for success. The irony is that the one manager to at least stop the rot was Rowett - and he was hounded out by the fans for not being likeable enough. In a sense we've got what we've deserved. too bloody right. Many on here deserve nothing but the worst from our club
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Post by SCFC92 on Sept 2, 2019 14:44:09 GMT
Harford was a big driving force behind Jones at Luton. He headed player recruiting and found the gems. Jones is a little boy lost without him. Apparently Luton said Harford had to stay if they were to let Jones go and we agreed. They obviously knew what they were doing and we should have insisted on Harford or pulled out of the whole thing. It’s clear Jones can’t recruit players or motivate players like Harford can. Our board were weak and ill informed, Luton had us over. Don’t think anyone at Luton is too surprised at our plight and Jones’ ineptitude. I just love how everyone has now pounced on the opportunity to twist truths to belittle the achievements of Jones at his previous club. He managed them to promotion, Hartford took over and changed nothing in January when Jones left and they got promoted. Had Jones stayed he would be a championship manager now for Luton. Stop twisting the past. The cogs of a successful team stem from the Management, you can recruit as many gems as you'd like, it's the manager that decides on the training plans and the style of play which bought Luton their success. The issue with us is we have Jones, and everyone behind him, transfer team et al are SHITE and we have a nack for losing.
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Post by Dresden_scfc on Sept 2, 2019 14:50:56 GMT
It's coming. Spinksy wasn't taking a punt, and was speaking with the confidence of someone who knew full well which way the wind was blowing. He's obviously been told nothing is going to happen this international break Yep, especially coupled with the club posting this Zero chance they'd tweet that and sack him before his next league game... Perhaps most annoying is them nailing their flag to the cross so early, surely atleast sound out potential interested parties and use the international break to have a think rather than deciding in the first weekend to keep him. We may turn it around (if they fuck Jones off)
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Sept 2, 2019 14:57:52 GMT
How many more losses will it take to convince the Circus owners that the clown they put in charge is in fact fucking useless at the job ?
I seem to remember them saying a few months ago that their mistakes in the past were from not acting quickly enough.
Admittedly, deciding that the quick action to take this time is to basically indirectly back him by releasing the tweet however is fucking bizarre....but one step at a time eh, this is our board after all. Can't expect miracles.
It's a fucking chaotic, omnishambles at our club at the moment isn't it?
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Post by nott1 on Sept 2, 2019 14:59:03 GMT
I'm 75% sure we'll beat Bristol City. I'm also pretty convinced we'll survive the next cup round vs Crawley. Question is: Brentford and Nottingham. If these both are losses he have to go anyway. I admire your delusion! Corrected for you!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 2, 2019 15:01:47 GMT
He may win both the Bristol and Crawley game and then lose the next 3.
All its doing is prolonging the inevitable, possibly losing out on Hughton and cementing yet another year in the championship or risking relegation.
He should go now, no discussion.
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Post by minnierover on Sept 2, 2019 15:13:10 GMT
Harford was a big driving force behind Jones at Luton. He headed player recruiting and found the gems. Jones is a little boy lost without him. Apparently Luton said Harford had to stay if they were to let Jones go and we agreed. They obviously knew what they were doing and we should have insisted on Harford or pulled out of the whole thing. It’s clear Jones can’t recruit players or motivate players like Harford can. Our board were weak and ill informed, Luton had us over. Don’t think anyone at Luton is too surprised at our plight and Jones’ ineptitude. I just love how everyone has now pounced on the opportunity to twist truths to belittle the achievements of Jones at his previous club. He managed them to promotion, Hartford took over and changed nothing in January when Jones left and they got promoted. Had Jones stayed he would be a championship manager now for Luton. Stop twisting the past. The cogs of a successful team stem from the Management, you can recruit as many gems as you'd like, it's the manager that decides on the training plans and the style of play which bought Luton their success. The issue with us is we have Jones, and everyone behind him, transfer team et al are SHITE and we have a nack for losing. Yes Jones was the manager but Harford found the players and had a big input. He was highly valued hence they wouldn’t let him leave as part of the deal. Do you not think Jones had any input in Ward, Hogan, Batth, Cousins, Smith, Lindsay etc..? Who are all very average players by the way. He wanted those players. It’s why he’ll be out of work soon. You can’t hide from the fact that Harford was a big part of helping Jones to be successful at Luton. The fact is we didn’t do our due diligence and hence his influence was over looked.
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Post by elystokie on Sept 2, 2019 15:13:50 GMT
Can Benik play against us? Don't think so. Unfortunately.
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Post by mamasgloves on Sept 2, 2019 15:20:39 GMT
Harford was a big driving force behind Jones at Luton. He headed player recruiting and found the gems. Jones is a little boy lost without him. Apparently Luton said Harford had to stay if they were to let Jones go and we agreed. They obviously knew what they were doing and we should have insisted on Harford or pulled out of the whole thing. It’s clear Jones can’t recruit players or motivate players like Harford can. Our board were weak and ill informed, Luton had us over. Don’t think anyone at Luton is too surprised at our plight and Jones’ ineptitude. I just love how everyone has now pounced on the opportunity to twist truths to belittle the achievements of Jones at his previous club. He managed them to promotion, Hartford took over and changed nothing in January when Jones left and they got promoted. Had Jones stayed he would be a championship manager now for Luton. Stop twisting the past. The cogs of a successful team stem from the Management, you can recruit as many gems as you'd like, it's the manager that decides on the training plans and the style of play which bought Luton their success. The issue with us is we have Jones, and everyone behind him, transfer team et al are SHITE and we have a nack for losing. Hang on. When its a success it's down to the good management of Jones (with his training plans and style of play) and when it isn't it's everyone behind him?
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