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Post by chuffed on Sept 1, 2019 10:55:13 GMT
Atrocious start, but still think we must stick with Jones and hope things turn around.sure, it all looks awful, but Jones deserves more time, and although it's not working now forJones at Stoke, he would be managing a team in the championship if he'd stayed at promoted Luton, so I don't buy this idea he's out if his depth. I realise things can't continue forever, but surely he's got go stay until Christmas to have a chance to turn things around .
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 1, 2019 11:09:54 GMT
Does he give you the impression he knows what he’s doing?
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Post by jwhpotter on Sept 1, 2019 11:11:23 GMT
Really want to agree but I just can’t anymore- he’s had enough time now, a full pre season with his players. We are rock bottom of the league and have conceded more goals than any other team. The only thing the club has the power to change is the manager. I can’t see how it’s going to change in the next game or the one after etc... we will continue to be wank and ultimately get relegated. Has to change now
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Post by spoton on Sept 1, 2019 11:15:43 GMT
Atrocious start, but still think we must stick with Jones and hope things turn around.sure, it all looks awful, but Jones deserves more time, and although it's not working now forJones at Stoke, he would be managing a team in the championship if he'd stayed at promoted Luton, so I don't buy this idea he's out if his depth. I realise things can't continue forever, but surely he's got go stay until Christmas to have a chance to turn things around . This must be a wind up |
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Post by whakka on Sept 1, 2019 11:18:09 GMT
For me I'd be happy stick with him if he picks a team and sticks with it for a period of games
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Post by Davef on Sept 1, 2019 11:18:13 GMT
Atrocious start, but still think we must stick with Jones and hope things turn around.sure, it all looks awful, but Jones deserves more time, and although it's not working now forJones at Stoke, he would be managing a team in the championship if he'd stayed at promoted Luton, so I don't buy this idea he's out if his depth. I realise things can't continue forever, but surely he's got go stay until Christmas to have a chance to turn things around . Perhaps you could give us some reasons why we must stick him, why he deserves more time and why he should stay until Christmas? |
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Post by Fred Merger on Sept 1, 2019 11:22:21 GMT
What's the point of letting the rot set in any further? He's like a drowning man thrashing about in deep water with no hope of anyone chucking him a lifeline.He needs putting out of his misery now and so do we!
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Sept 1, 2019 11:22:47 GMT
Atrocious start, but still think we must stick with Jones and hope things turn around.sure, it all looks awful, but Jones deserves more time, and although it's not working now forJones at Stoke, he would be managing a team in the championship if he'd stayed at promoted Luton, so I don't buy this idea he's out if his depth. I realise things can't continue forever, but surely he's got go stay until Christmas to have a chance to turn things around . Shocking post. |
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Post by dreamtheater on Sept 1, 2019 11:23:31 GMT
Isnt it amazing how, sniffing the aroma of some of the more modern adhesives can make some people feel so elevated and optimistic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 11:24:17 GMT
Baffling that anyone could see any hope in sticking with a man who has had 8 months, 11 players and managed to make us worse and become what I think is now statistically our worse manager ever (or close to).
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 1, 2019 11:25:27 GMT
Put the crack pipe down.
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Post by potter25 on Sept 1, 2019 11:25:56 GMT
If he had brought in young hungry quick attack minded players playing fast free flowing football and we were just been unlucky I’d agree
None of his signings or the way we are playing match this
Nice guy but out of his depth
Needs a safe pair of hands now
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Sept 1, 2019 11:27:54 GMT
Atrocious start, but still think we must stick with Jones and hope things turn around.sure, it all looks awful, but Jones deserves more time, and although it's not working now forJones at Stoke, he would be managing a team in the championship if he'd stayed at promoted Luton, so I don't buy this idea he's out if his depth. I realise things can't continue forever, but surely he's got go stay until Christmas to have a chance to turn things around . Perhaps you could give us some reasons why we must stick him, why he deserves more time and why he should stay until Christmas? Appears it's literally based on nothing but "hope" and the fact he can't be out of his depth because Luton are now in the Championship (he seems to have decided that if he'd stayed at Luton then he 100% wouldn't now be out of his depth with them in the Championship....again based on absolutely nothing) I'd prefer to base it on rays of hope, sparks we've seen here or there of potential, a clear view that we have a plan and/or some kind of direction etc. but all that seems to be completely lacking at the moment. Bizarre OP all round really |
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 1, 2019 11:28:34 GMT
Atrocious start, but still think we must stick with Jones and hope things turn around.sure, it all looks awful, but Jones deserves more time, and although it's not working now forJones at Stoke, he would be managing a team in the championship if he'd stayed at promoted Luton, so I don't buy this idea he's out if his depth. I realise things can't continue forever, but surely he's got go stay until Christmas to have a chance to turn things around . Massive difference from Luton job to Stoke job. Nothing he did at Luton - however good it was there - was evidence that he could take on the job required here. He built one tactic, one strategy at Luton and - against weaker opposition - it worked. Great. But when it doesn't work here, it really shows how inexperienced he is. In the 2 windows, he lurched to either players he'd heard of in the Champs, or those that had played well - presumably - against Luton. Once Justin wasn't available, and in fact there were no attacking wing backs available who could effectively implement Luton at a champs level, he still ploughed on because he couldn't adapt. In every game he's played this year, the dominant feature has been how the opposing manager has negated and foiled him as the game went on and his adaptations made us weaker. So even where we do well for a time, like the first half at Charlton, his team becomes thwarted and out maneouvered by the end. And in not one case has he managed to get an out of form player and get them playing well again - because he can't adapt to what they uniquely might need. In a nutshell, he has had countless opportunities to manage sub-challenges within the bigger oone, but even in every one of those situations, he hasn't make good decisions. He hasn't got the experience, intelligence or skillset, simple as that. May be he will in 5, 10 years time if he gets another crack and he can reflect on his mistakes here. But here and now, the combination of his inexperience and our acute and deep set problems are a horrible combination. |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 1, 2019 11:29:41 GMT
Isnt it amazing how, sniffing the aroma of some of the more modern adhesives can make some people feel so elevated and optimistic. This has to be monkey dust level post. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 11:31:44 GMT
I was 100% with him until yesterday. I'm still nowhere near 100% against him but yesterday was a shocker.
I said weeks ago that the worst thing he could do was to change from the diamond and yesterday he went completely from it. Even the 3412 he's been playing is reasonably close to it.
It's very difficult to command respect when you ask your players to go away and work on their fitness to come back sharp in readiness for a specific system, only to ditch it within weeks because of a few bad results.
I think he'll be a far better manager for this experience, if it ends in the next few days, as I expect it to.
I don't share such hope for our owners in replacing him.
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Post by fca47 on Sept 1, 2019 11:36:29 GMT
He needs to quickly decide on his team , and stick with it. To develop we need some continuity.His comment after the game though was we need to make changes. FFS.
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Post by seabridgestokie on Sept 1, 2019 11:37:30 GMT
Nah he’s a dead man walking
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Post by stokiekm on Sept 1, 2019 11:40:22 GMT
Atrocious start, but still think we must stick with Jones and hope things turn around.sure, it all looks awful, but Jones deserves more time, and although it's not working now forJones at Stoke, he would be managing a team in the championship if he'd stayed at promoted Luton, so I don't buy this idea he's out if his depth. I realise things can't continue forever, but surely he's got go stay until Christmas to have a chance to turn things around . Perhaps you could give us some reasons why we must stick him, why he deserves more time and why he should stay until Christmas? here's two reasons. The options we'd then have are awful and we don't get new manager bounce |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 11:41:47 GMT
I was 100% behind him when he was appointed but as the games have gone on and the results have continued to be abysmal my support has slowly eroded. The recent 3-1 defeats at Charlton and Preston were the real watershed moment for me and yesterday just finally convinced me that he can't turn us round and needs to go NOW before we find ourselves in a position that we can't extricate ourselves from.
Nice guy, talks a good game, but for whatever reason (out of his depth, tactics, lost the dressing room etc etc) it just isn't working.
We need an experienced, safe pair of hands who can stop the rot, help us survive this season and move us forward.
Have I got confidence that John and Teflon can come up with the right replacement manager...….not a snowball's chance in hell really......but we have to at least try as
keeping the current manager is only going to end one way with relegation to League 1.
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Post by thehoof on Sept 1, 2019 11:43:58 GMT
We are relegated now- if he’s a good League 1 Manager he might get us out of there for 2021.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 1, 2019 11:44:39 GMT
Perhaps you could give us some reasons why we must stick him, why he deserves more time and why he should stay until Christmas? here's two reasons. The options we'd then have are awful and we don't get new manager bounce Because we don't sign the right manager we don't get a new manager bounce, we get a new manager splat. |
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Post by Jimm on Sept 1, 2019 11:44:46 GMT
Since he came in we've gone backwards. He's out of his depth and has to go
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Post by werrington on Sept 1, 2019 11:45:32 GMT
Does he give you the impression he knows what he’s doing? Yeah mate, only 6 changes yesterday so he’s getting there 😊 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 11:45:37 GMT
I’ve got to admit he’s losing my support after yesterday
Although the thought of the Coates family picking a good replacement fills me with dread
Stick or twist? ....gawd knows 😩
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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 1, 2019 11:45:43 GMT
If he went now he would go down as one of our worst managers. Ever
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Post by Fred Merger on Sept 1, 2019 11:45:52 GMT
I think most supporters will agree that his sacking needs to be announced in the morning. With the next 2 weeks to work on a replacement being brought in. He's not a bad guy but he's horribly out of his depth and it doesn't serve any purpose to keep him in our employment any longer. He will learn from his mistakes and possibly drop back into the lower leagues and try to rebuild his reputation. I wish him all the best in the future and have no bad feeling against him, but it hasn't worked out and we need to re appoint and move forward!
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 1, 2019 11:48:39 GMT
If he went now he would go down as one of our worst managers. Ever On current form probably the worst manager we have ever had, he has been an unmitigated disaster from day one. |
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Post by milky on Sept 1, 2019 11:52:12 GMT
I was a fan and genuinely thought he could build a team to be proud of.
Its not happening though and he needs to be relieved of his duties early next week , for his own benefit as much as ours.
Then we can sit back and watch the car crash that will be the search for a new manager.
Happy Days !
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Post by wrexhamstokie90 on Sept 1, 2019 11:52:13 GMT
Are you Nathan Jones??
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