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Post by crapslinger on Sept 8, 2019 9:29:36 GMT
watford always seem to get good New Manager bounce that lasts for a few weeks or even months......we on the other hand is more like thud Doesnt that say more about the players we have been bringing in though than the manager? Also, we dont have a club style I.d so we dont look for a manager to fit 'our way' that we play. NJ for example, did anyone really think this guy was going to walk into scfc and get our to lot play a fast narrow diamond and hit the ground running? Not going to happen is it? Thats not NJ's fault that the squad didn't suit his style. This is why he deserves a lot more time than normal It is his fault that he has brought in 11 new players that don't "suit" his style though, he asked to be judged when he had his own team well a full preseason with his team and 1 point from 18 says it all.
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Post by robboleek on Sept 8, 2019 10:01:26 GMT
SJW not an option even ?
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Post by thevoid on Sept 8, 2019 10:02:02 GMT
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Post by robboleek on Sept 8, 2019 10:06:54 GMT
I like him, would have a lot of fans on board and some players right from word go, every manager had to start somewhere ( fat frank hardly fucked it up at Derby) you would like to think he had a reasonably good relationship with ‘The Family’ seems a nice guy (some think this alone is enough to give Jones more time) and lets face it cant he do any fucking worse than we are currently seeing ???
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Post by RF10 on Sept 8, 2019 10:08:30 GMT
I think he will make a fantastic manager one day. Walters and Huth as his assistant.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 8, 2019 15:08:15 GMT
Doesnt that say more about the players we have been bringing in though than the manager? Also, we dont have a club style I.d so we dont look for a manager to fit 'our way' that we play. NJ for example, did anyone really think this guy was going to walk into scfc and get our to lot play a fast narrow diamond and hit the ground running? Not going to happen is it? Thats not NJ's fault that the squad didn't suit his style. This is why he deserves a lot more time than normal It is his fault that he has brought in 11 new players that don't "suit" his style though, he asked to be judged when he had his own team well a full preseason with his team and 1 point from 18 says it all. So what you're saying is he has brought 11 new players that dont fit the system? '11'? Yeah o.k 🤥. We are 2 decent players away imo in crucial positions to making that system work. We should have been out of sight a couple of times using it. 11 players that dont fit it? It's not the 11 players, its the couple missing and the timescale to the team adjusting to it, that's the problem
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 8, 2019 15:25:38 GMT
When TP joined stoke, it took him a couple of seasons to see his better football, but it was worth the wait. He rebuilt the squad before we were promoted
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 8, 2019 16:29:00 GMT
It is his fault that he has brought in 11 new players that don't "suit" his style though, he asked to be judged when he had his own team well a full preseason with his team and 1 point from 18 says it all. So what you're saying is he has brought 11 new players that dont fit the system? '11'? Yeah o.k 🤥. We are 2 decent players away imo in crucial positions to making that system work. We should have been out of sight a couple of times using it. 11 players that dont fit it? It's not the 11 players, its the couple missing and the timescale to the team adjusting to it, that's the problem 2 is one a left back and the other a DM the 2 positions we knew we were struggling with 2 seasons ago and still have not been addressed ?, he has had a full pre season to instil the system how would you say that has gone ? which of the eleven players suit his system ? what happened to the a team to be proud of, fast attacking football, players who want to play for the club, leaders ? instead we have Davies(3rdchoice GK) Ward (OAP legs have gone), Lindsay(slow poor distribution), Cousins (well), Smith(no better than what we have), CCV (in experienced will never be our player), Powell(sick note), Batth(solid lower league defender poor distribution), Gregory(works his nads off little quality not a natural goal scorer) Hogan (slow not a natural goal scorer), Vokes (slow not a natural goal scorer), Duffy (un fit looks dis interested). I point from 18
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Post by kustokie on Sept 8, 2019 16:34:01 GMT
It is his fault that he has brought in 11 new players that don't "suit" his style though, he asked to be judged when he had his own team well a full preseason with his team and 1 point from 18 says it all. So what you're saying is he has brought 11 new players that dont fit the system? '11'? Yeah o.k 🤥. We are 2 decent players away imo in crucial positions to making that system work. We should have been out of sight a couple of times using it. 11 players that dont fit it? It's not the 11 players, its the couple missing and the timescale to the team adjusting to it, that's the problem That’s the problem, he fell short in signing players to fit his system and he hadn’t adjusted accordingly until he does have what he wants. And I am not holding my breath for January window because good players are rarely available especially when you’re looking for specific positions to fill.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 8, 2019 17:26:33 GMT
So what you're saying is he has brought 11 new players that dont fit the system? '11'? Yeah o.k 🤥. We are 2 decent players away imo in crucial positions to making that system work. We should have been out of sight a couple of times using it. 11 players that dont fit it? It's not the 11 players, its the couple missing and the timescale to the team adjusting to it, that's the problem 2 is one a left back and the other a DM the 2 positions we knew we were struggling with 2 seasons ago and still have not been addressed ?, he has had a full pre season to instil the system how would you say that has gone ? which of the eleven players suit his system ? what happened to the a team to be proud of, fast attacking football, players who want to play for the club, leaders ? instead we have Davies(3rdchoice GK) Ward (OAP legs have gone), Lindsay(slow poor distribution), Cousins (well), Smith(no better than what we have), CCV (in experienced will never be our player), Powell(sick note), Batth(solid lower league defender poor distribution), Gregory(works his nads off little quality not a natural goal scorer) Hogan (slow not a natural goal scorer), Vokes (slow not a natural goal scorer), Duffy (un fit looks dis interested). I point from 18 We need an anchor DM that can play CB, I suggested as much during the summer ( reece oxford) so we are not exposed from wide. Jones wanted both the luton full backs, Scholes delivered neither of them. You are judging these players on 6 games. Players that are low on confidence
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 8, 2019 17:49:40 GMT
Now we've got a top 4 (Hughton, Pulis, Allardyce, Moyes) that doesn't look likely to change... - Interesting that they are all late 50 odd and older! A craving for experience and wisdom it seems.
Of those 4, would probably put Pulis as the favourite, though sense divided opinion and baggage might stop that happening.
So, the other interesting - and signficantly different - question is "who do we think we will get?". Accounting for a) board sentiments - once bitten twice shy. b) We've had mixed luck at getting our first picks of late, c) We're probably a little less of a catch than 15 mths ago - and the job is less appealing with so much to sort out.
The continental selection - Puel, Karanka, Di Matteo
Old British hands:- Pardew, O'Neill, Adkins, Pearson, McClaran
Something to prove: Sol Campbell, Chris Powell, Darren Moore, Derek McInnes
The leftfield moderniser (aka "WTF is he?"):- Pablo Machin (ex Sevilla), Oscar Garcia (ex Olympiakos), Tedesco (Schalke),
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Post by serpico on Sept 8, 2019 17:53:50 GMT
I would imagine it would come down to Pulis or hughton with Moyes an outside possibility, Coates Snr will likely favor going ultra safe and turn to Pulis.
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Post by lordb on Sept 8, 2019 17:59:44 GMT
I would imagine it would come down to Pulis or hughton with Moyes an outside possibility, Coates Snr will likely favor going ultra safe and turn to Pulis. Surely Hughton is as safe a bet as it gets?
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Post by serpico on Sept 8, 2019 18:03:39 GMT
I would imagine it would come down to Pulis or hughton with Moyes an outside possibility, Coates Snr will likely favor going ultra safe and turn to Pulis. Surely Hughton is as safe a bet as it gets? True, But he knows Pulis and still has a good relationship with him, doesn’t he ? ... I think Pulis is a shoe in for the job if Jones goes. It almost seems destined, doesn’t it ?
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Post by lordb on Sept 8, 2019 18:26:17 GMT
Surely Hughton is as safe a bet as it gets? True, But he knows Pulis and still has a good relationship with him, doesn’t he ? ... I think Pulis is a shoe in for the job if Jones goes. It almost seems destined, doesn’t it ? I'd rather have the better manager
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 8, 2019 19:43:13 GMT
Never thought I'd see the day some stoke fans seeing hughton as something of a coup. He is as bland as the Chinese at the end of my street.
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Post by lordb on Sept 8, 2019 20:59:47 GMT
Never thought I'd see the day some stoke fans seeing hughton as something of a coup. He is as bland as the Chinese at the end of my street. He is it's true, very dull None the less I can't see a better manager who we could get.
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Post by Gunslinger on Sept 8, 2019 21:12:43 GMT
Very interesting to see how this pans out.
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Post by Gods on Sept 8, 2019 22:36:31 GMT
I do hope we go for someone with experience and a little gravitas who can win the respect of the playing staff.
I wouldn't favour another testosterone fuelled lunatic in slim fit sports wear seeking divine intervention and speaking in rhyme.
Whatever they say publicly the players must think Nathan is crackers.
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 9, 2019 0:32:04 GMT
Still surprised there is little mention of Steve Bould on this thread when he was the last linked before Jones was appointed.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 9, 2019 1:19:01 GMT
Still surprised there is little mention of Steve Bould on this thread when he was the last linked before Jones was appointed. He’d represent another rookie appointment, which you’d think we’d steer clear of for now given our dire situation and the family’s traditional cautiousness.
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 9, 2019 1:56:28 GMT
Still surprised there is little mention of Steve Bould on this thread when he was the last linked before Jones was appointed. He’d represent another rookie appointment, which you’d think we’d steer clear of for now given our dire situation and the family’s traditional cautiousness. Yep I suppose you're correct there although I think discarding up and coming managers just because of a couple of failures isn't the brightest decision to make, saying that, it's pretty clear we don't have the brightest owners in control.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 9, 2019 5:00:12 GMT
He’d represent another rookie appointment, which you’d think we’d steer clear of for now given our dire situation and the family’s traditional cautiousness. Yep I suppose you're correct there although I think discarding up and coming managers just because of a couple of failures isn't the brightest decision to make, saying that, it's pretty clear we don't have the brightest owners in control. I agree completely, it’s just a question of timing and circumstances.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 9, 2019 7:57:22 GMT
theathletic.co.uk/1191146/2019/09/09/hughton-already-pining-for-a-return-to-premier-league-life/“I’d like to think I’ve got a good CV,” he says. “I want to get back in at the best level that I can. I’ve managed at a very good level and the best level is, of course, Premier League.That doesn’t necessarily mean it will be Premier League. I would prefer that it is, but (anothe r offer) might be an opportunity that I think is right for me.
“I’m in a good place at the moment. I’m using the time really well, I’ve been in the game a long time and I want to make sure the next job I take is the right one. I’m not blasé. It’s a difficult game and a lot of good managers are out of work. I would never be that disrespectful to our game.
“The plus is I’m not at home twiddling my thumbs. Last week, I did a coaching session for the LMA at St George’s Park. I’m enjoying going to games, seeing teams and players, summer recruits, and I’m really enjoying football in general, not just the Premier League but a very intriguing Championship.”
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 9, 2019 8:34:05 GMT
Now we've got a top 4 (Hughton, Pulis, Allardyce, Moyes) that doesn't look likely to change... - Interesting that they are all late 50 odd and older! A craving for experience and wisdom it seems. Of those 4, would probably put Pulis as the favourite, though sense divided opinion and baggage might stop that happening. So, the other interesting - and signficantly different - question is "who do we think we will get?". Accounting for a) board sentiments - once bitten twice shy. b) We've had mixed luck at getting our first picks of late, c) We're probably a little less of a catch than 15 mths ago - and the job is less appealing with so much to sort out. The continental selection - Puel, Karanka, Di Matteo Old British hands:- Pardew, O'Neill, Adkins, Pearson, McClaran Something to prove: Sol Campbell, Chris Powell, Darren Moore, Derek McInnes The leftfield moderniser (aka "WTF is he?"):- Pablo Machin (ex Sevilla), Oscar Garcia (ex Olympiakos), Tedesco (Schalke), Sadly I think that sums it up. I don't think there could have been a more depressingly boring and unimaginative top 4 had the poll been entitled "Who would you go for as the most depressingly boring and unimaginative manager ever?" Top work. This thread is sponsored by Mogadon. Music by Dinosaur Junior. A Sad Bastard Production from the Association of Registered Goat Slaughters
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 9, 2019 8:41:57 GMT
Now we've got a top 4 (Hughton, Pulis, Allardyce, Moyes) that doesn't look likely to change... - Interesting that they are all late 50 odd and older! A craving for experience and wisdom it seems. Of those 4, would probably put Pulis as the favourite, though sense divided opinion and baggage might stop that happening. So, the other interesting - and signficantly different - question is "who do we think we will get?". Accounting for a) board sentiments - once bitten twice shy. b) We've had mixed luck at getting our first picks of late, c) We're probably a little less of a catch than 15 mths ago - and the job is less appealing with so much to sort out. The continental selection - Puel, Karanka, Di Matteo Old British hands:- Pardew, O'Neill, Adkins, Pearson, McClaran Something to prove: Sol Campbell, Chris Powell, Darren Moore, Derek McInnes The leftfield moderniser (aka "WTF is he?"):- Pablo Machin (ex Sevilla), Oscar Garcia (ex Olympiakos), Tedesco (Schalke), Sadly I think that sums it up. I don't think there could have been a more depressingly boring and unimaginative top 4 had the poll been entitled "Who would you go for as the most depressingly boring and unimaginative manager ever?" Top work. This thread is sponsored by Mogadon. Music by Dinosaur Junior. A Sad Bastard Production from the Association of Registered Goat Slaughters If there is a managerial change in the next month, though, obviously there'll be no gambling with us rooted to the bottom of the Championship table with the worst 9 months of form in the division in the rear view mirror. www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:championship/daterange/fromdate:2018-Dec-25/todate:2019-Sep-09/type:home-and-away/Can you see Peter giving the green light to someone who ISN'T a 'does what it says on the tin' Brit in that scenario? It's just not going to happen, is it? And I think the poll is just a reflection of that reality
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 9, 2019 9:22:11 GMT
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Post by thevoid on Sept 9, 2019 9:27:16 GMT
Why would you turn down Sheff Weds and go to Huddersfield?
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 9, 2019 9:29:58 GMT
That's another one down potentially
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 9, 2019 9:30:56 GMT
Why would you turn down Sheff Weds and go to Huddersfield? ££££££ presumably but I thought Udders were meant to be flat on their arse with cash at the moment.
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