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Post by Dave the Rave on Oct 19, 2019 18:47:11 GMT
His position never should have been in question.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Oct 19, 2019 19:05:57 GMT
13 points from play off? We'll be up there by christmas... Apparently it's "too soon" to be referring to us as the champions elect but I reckon we'll have wrapped it up by April. 250/1 to win the league. Free money. Fire up the bus.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Oct 19, 2019 19:07:27 GMT
Credit where it’s due - he was given a chance he arguably didn’t deserve after the Huddersfield defeat and he’s repaid the faith shown in him by the directors with the best possible response. He stays for me now as there’s little to be gained in another mediocre / dinosaur appointment.......so keep it up Jonesy.... The options we were linked with were utter pish. Christ Hughton aside, who would have been steady but unspectacular, they were archaic.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 19, 2019 19:11:21 GMT
Well he has to stay for now. What I will never understand (assuming that we push on from here), is why did it take him so fucking long to achieve results? He didn’t have the 4 midfield players he has now available together , challenge for him is what happens if and when he loses one or two given the recruitment performance .
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 19, 2019 19:12:38 GMT
He will stay, and rightly so, but let's not pretend he isn't lucky to still have a job.
McClean being out and N'Daye being in has saved his ass.
Who cares though? We are winning again!
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 19, 2019 19:16:07 GMT
He will stay, and rightly so, but let's not pretend he isn't lucky to still have a job. McClean being out and N'Daye being in has saved his ass. Who cares though? We are winning again! Or saved from his own terrible signings by players that were already here...
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Post by serpico on Oct 19, 2019 19:17:37 GMT
His position never should have been in question. It definitely should have, he’s presided over one of the worst run of results in the clubs history, if that doesn’t bring his position into question then how bad should things get before it does ? ... in reality he should have been sacked weeks ago, jones himself was expecting it and more or less gave a farewell speech on the radio. For whatever reason he’s still here and by some miracle he’s starting to turn us around, long may it continue.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Oct 19, 2019 19:19:37 GMT
13 points from play off? We'll be up there by christmas... Apparently it's "too soon" to be referring to us as the champions elect but I reckon we'll have wrapped it up by April. 250/1 to win the league. Free money. Fire up the bus. I see we can get as much as 22/1 to finish Top 6 Is that good value?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Oct 19, 2019 19:25:57 GMT
Not even an option for him to go now, we will kick on from this Hope you're right he's got a lot of under achieving to repay us for Hope he does it but by jove, I didn't think he had it in him! We have played fairly well a lot of the time. We have had more bad luck than most at the start of this season it isn't like we were getting murdered in games. Liam lawrence nailed it for me today after match he said something about having bad luck at the start of the season and today we got a bit ourselves which is long overdue. No chance is this a relegation team, I believe it's a confidence issue because the shirt is heavy to wear following the nosedive. Two back to back wins against two good teams were exactly what was needed
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 19:27:13 GMT
Apparently it's "too soon" to be referring to us as the champions elect but I reckon we'll have wrapped it up by April. 250/1 to win the league. Free money. Fire up the bus. I see we can get as much as 22/1 to finish Top 6 Is that good value? 33-1 for promotion.
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Post by riproaringagain on Oct 19, 2019 19:34:35 GMT
I see we can get as much as 22/1 to finish Top 6 Is that good value? 33-1 for promotion. After the Huddersfield game I had £20 @ 100/1 for stoke to get promotion by any means 33/1 now
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 19, 2019 20:07:54 GMT
If he keeps picking the team from the Oatcake selection panel he can stay.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 19, 2019 20:51:06 GMT
14 points off play offs now 13! Maths has never been my strong point
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Post by matt1968 on Oct 19, 2019 21:03:50 GMT
How can anyone say badou saved his arse. Nathan is the first stoke manager that has got him to play to his full potential. Sometimes I really think that they want stoke to fail. Eighteen months from now, Nathan will have stoke in the play offs. That man Nathan gives stoke his total commitment.
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Post by wakeypotter on Oct 19, 2019 21:13:19 GMT
Might as well lock this thread now ? He'll only ever be one poor half of football away from the usual suspects resurfacing on here I’m so delighted after last 2 games but come on anybody on here had the right to call for him being sacked and I don’t mind admitting I wanted him gone a while ago his record was terrible. When we beat Swansea I was in sure but after today yes he deserves more time and after watching the video of him at the end really makes you want this guy to succeed. I hope we have a great run and shoot up the table but at the time I wanted him gone I would still say it again.
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Post by Goonie on Oct 19, 2019 21:32:15 GMT
Hope you're right he's got a lot of under achieving to repay us for Hope he does it but by jove, I didn't think he had it in him! We have played fairly well a lot of the time. We have had more bad luck than most at the start of this season it isn't like we were getting murdered in games. Liam lawrence nailed it for me today after match he said something about having bad luck at the start of the season and today we got a bit ourselves which is long overdue. No chance is this a relegation team, I believe it's a confidence issue because the shirt is heavy to wear following the nosedive. Two back to back wins against two good teams were exactly what was needed A good argument well put I'm edging towards the fence - bravo - I didn't believe it possible 🧐🎩🚝
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Post by potterpaul on Oct 20, 2019 5:38:15 GMT
His position never should have been in question. Of course it should, it's been a disaster set of results and performances until he bumbled, fumbled and literary stumbled on his best starting XI thanks mainly to a midfield that is close to emulating the Nzonzi/Whelan era. He's made multitudes of mistakes culminating in one of the worst summer Windows ever with a host of signings we never get to see but and its a massive but, he is on the cusp of redeeming himself with 2 excellent performances, 2 more this week and I will be happy to call him The Phoenix and he would most definitely have risen from the ashes.
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Post by christhepotter on Oct 20, 2019 7:29:41 GMT
The idea of sacking him won't even be a consideration now 8 pts from 36 so sacking should still be consideration
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Post by spongebobflathead on Oct 20, 2019 7:42:25 GMT
The idea of sacking him won't even be a consideration now 8 pts from 36 so sacking should still be consideration This , football mentality personified, 2 wins and we are getting way ahead of ourselves, we are still in the relegation zone he’s still got a lot to prove !!!!!
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Oct 20, 2019 8:07:09 GMT
I like jones as a person and I'm relieved on every level we have pulled two results together.
The best thing he's down is got Badou playing, that has saved his job.
However, if Badou leaves in January I'm worried who Jones would sign. Let's look at his signings from the summer just gone, disastrous and no where near the standards we need.
It is his summer signings that have got him into this trouble.
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Post by awrypotter on Oct 20, 2019 8:20:27 GMT
I like jones as a person and I'm relieved on every level we have pulled two results together. The best thing he's down is got Badou playing, that has saved his job. However, if Badou leaves in January I'm worried who Jones would sign. Let's look at his signings from the summer just gone, disastrous and no where near the standards we need. It is his summer signings that have got him into this trouble. I don't agree. Existing players like Butland, McClean, Ince and Shawcross have caused a lot of the problems for Stoke.
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Post by Goonie on Oct 20, 2019 8:34:11 GMT
I like jones as a person and I'm relieved on every level we have pulled two results together. The best thing he's down is got Badou playing, that has saved his job. However, if Badou leaves in January I'm worried who Jones would sign. Let's look at his signings from the summer just gone, disastrous and no where near the standards we need. It is his summer signings that have got him into this trouble. I don't agree. Existing players like Butland, McClean, Ince and Shawcross have caused a lot of the problems for Stoke. His obsession with believing he can convert McLean has to be up there and failing to buy a single left back and bringing in 2 further rightbacks is also up there - add to that persisting with a formation that demanded one!😫🤯
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 20, 2019 8:36:58 GMT
His position never should have been in question. eh?
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Post by pyrus on Oct 20, 2019 8:41:34 GMT
His position never should have been in question. After winning 2 points out of a possible 30? His position bloody well should have been in question (pre-Swansea). He had a transfer window and a full pre-season. Bearing that in mind, those stats are shocking. If his position was not under consideration, the board would be negligent. We were too patient with Hughes and it got us relegated. At what stage do you intervene if 2 points from 30 is not it? Backing your manager is one thing, but blind faith is another; it is not a good strategy.
As it is, I want to stick with Jones. He has shown he knows how to build a team from the ground up even though it is taking time with Stoke. I am also fed up with manager merry-go-round. I hope he has managed to turn it around at the eleventh hour and we can look back on this era, congratulating ourselves on how good we are at sticking with managers rather than concluding that we didn’t act soon enough when it was all going pear-shaped.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Oct 20, 2019 8:43:54 GMT
He's not out of the woods yet by a long way
That' said, 2 great results and if he can keep this run going and prove me wrong, he'll deserve to keep his job
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Post by stiggerstackle on Oct 20, 2019 8:50:12 GMT
How can anyone say badou saved his arse. Nathan is the first stoke manager that has got him to play to his full potential. Sometimes I really think that they want stoke to fail. Eighteen months from now, Nathan will have stoke in the play offs. That man Nathan gives stoke his total commitment. His commitment has ever been in doubt, his god awful decision making and team selections have been, as well as his ‘say one thing, immediately do another’ approach to communication. I’m as pleased as anybody about this mini-revival and hope it continues, but let’s not pretend the blokes a managerial genius, there’s boatloads of evidence to suggest he’s created his own problems.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 20, 2019 9:15:25 GMT
He has stumbled on a team, Badou wasn’t meant to be here and the alternatives are Woods and Cousins, McClean injured meant he got his best 11 players on the pitch together and with Bruno at left back the defence is more solid because he doesn’t push as far forward. We now have a midfield that enjoys being pressed as Badou, Etebo and, to an extent, Clucas can break the press and we also have the option of going long with two up front. The worrying thing is we struggled to get on the ball yesterday second half and in some games the opposition having that much possession will lead to goals conceded. Breaking down teams that don’t come at us may still be a problem which is why we need all round full backs and a proper number 10
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Post by Dave the Rave on Oct 20, 2019 9:19:53 GMT
Results are just one piece of the puzzle.
It wouldn't have taken a forensic scientist to see that there was so much more going on and that stats back up that we're far better than the results have suggested.
Sure, he's signed a few duds and he clearly underestimated the strength of this league in thinking the likes of Cousins and Lindsay could make the step up. He's adjusting to a level of football he knew little about. Also, let's not underestimate his role in getting Ndiaye not only playing but playing with passion and desire.
I've said all along that this team don't feel like the Prem relegation team. This manager doesn't feel detached like the last few.
We're building something special, but building is the key word.
Nathan Jones is an absolute breath of fresh air at our club, a club that's felt rotten for years and years, where now there is real passion, real drive, real intent.
It's interesting to hear people call him a narcissist when we have Mark Hughes and Gary Rowett to compare him against.
Nathan Jones is one of us - he genuinely cares and that means a lot to me. I can stick by someone like that.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Oct 20, 2019 18:45:26 GMT
Hope you're right he's got a lot of under achieving to repay us for Hope he does it but by jove, I didn't think he had it in him! We have played fairly well a lot of the time. We have had more bad luck than most at the start of this season it isn't like we were getting murdered in games. Liam lawrence nailed it for me today after match he said something about having bad luck at the start of the season and today we got a bit ourselves which is long overdue. No chance is this a relegation team, I believe it's a confidence issue because the shirt is heavy to wear following the nosedive. Two back to back wins against two good teams were exactly what was needed Well said!
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 20, 2019 19:04:13 GMT
What would it take to put him under pressure again?.
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