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Post by gingerninja on Aug 28, 2019 7:42:39 GMT
Does this win make Jones safe for the short term or would another defeat Saturday plunge him back into deep trouble?
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Post by lordb on Aug 28, 2019 7:43:29 GMT
of course it would
conversely a win would keep everyone sane for a bit
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 7:47:25 GMT
Never in the woods in the first place.
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Post by fca47 on Aug 28, 2019 7:52:44 GMT
Not out of the woods. Still no continuity in the side, we could easily throw the next game. And stllconceding crap goals.
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Post by sheds1862 on Aug 28, 2019 7:53:53 GMT
The lottery of a penalty win albeit brilliant, does not escape the fact we threw away a two goal lead with 19 minutes left.
Leeds had several teenagers in their side and were depleted a lot, we weren't.
I'm not buying all this the lads were brave and showed character baloney. Let us be realistic, if this was a League game he would be getting pelters .
The new format introduced whenever with no extra time also saved our bacon.
One swallow doesn't make a summer, I'd imagine Leeds aren't that bothered, nor are Norwich or Palace . A cup run is great but i'm more bothered about Birmingham.
Anyone who says 2-2 in the League or Cup after being 2-0 up is brave and shows character is delusional.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 28, 2019 7:56:24 GMT
He's very firmly still in the woods, but he's found a little bit of a clearing in there. Lose that shoot-out, and things would've seemed even worse than before kick-off.
It's given him a chance to build the suggestion of some momentum. The players will hopefully be mentally energised, and the DEFCON level has maybe dropped half a level.
Win on Saturday and things shift significantly.
But a loss, particularly another ragged one against a poor team, and we're right back where we were before yesterday
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 8:02:55 GMT
For me there are still too many more questions than answers.
It was nice to see Bruno back and Campbell playing and him ditch the diamond but it’s baffling as to why this wasn’t sorted preseason and Bruno was bombed out and Campbell has barely played.
We need some continuity - when he changed the system in the second half last night we struggled. He’s already saying he’s going to “use the squad” on Saturday.
I feel like the tombola was kind to us last night and he might have stumbled upon something that works. Not enough for me to suggest he is man with a realistic plan yet. Hopefully he builds on this and we don’t have wholesale changes and revert back to his old systems on Saturday. Fingers crossed 🤞
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 8:07:11 GMT
Breathing space,no more.
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Post by somersetstokie on Aug 28, 2019 8:16:54 GMT
No. I think there'll still be some more training needed yet so expect to see Nath and the boys up at Clayton for a while longer yet.  |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 28, 2019 8:29:28 GMT
Unfortunately for Nath, the record books will chalk last night up as a draw so his overall record is still abysmal. It's a start going to Elland Road with confidence rock bottom and getting anything but it's all about Saturday.
If at 5 o clock we've got 1 point out of 18 it wouldn't be a surprise (and he won't have much room for complaint) if his ass is kicked down the road.
It just doesn't cut it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 8:30:53 GMT
Is he fuck.
Last time I looked, our league form since he arrived was absolutely pathetic, and unless they've changed the rules, a penalty shoot out win against a second string Leeds side doesn't get us off the bottom of the league.
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 28, 2019 8:41:47 GMT
Not out of the woods yet, we conceded 2 goals after being 2 up and took the game to penalties when we shouldn't have done.
Though I was overjoyed when we won as I said in the match thread, because I think there should be a confidence boost there.
However it's all about Saturday now. We must win that match. No use beating Leeds in the League Cup and then crashing and burning against Birmingham.
Come on Stoke and come on Jonesy, kick on from this and push forward, we have to.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Aug 28, 2019 8:41:48 GMT
No way we are still sitting bottom of the table. We did not actually win last night we drew after leading 2-0 if the game had gone to extra time i think we would have been well beaten. So no he is not out of the woods he needs a convincing win on Saturday.
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Post by zerps on Aug 28, 2019 8:42:40 GMT
We’re at the capitulation stage of a bear market right before we turn bullish again
Probably
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 28, 2019 9:00:20 GMT
No and yes.
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Post by adamsson on Aug 28, 2019 9:09:36 GMT
Does he know our best team?
Does he know our best formation?
Do the players understand the formation?
Until he can answer those three questions with a definite and honest yes, he is lost in the deep, dark woods.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 28, 2019 9:30:32 GMT
He’s still in there, and he’s currently wading his way through a certain creek and he’s lost his paddle.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Aug 28, 2019 9:45:11 GMT
He's very firmly still in the woods, but he's found a little bit of a clearing in there. Lose that shoot-out, and things would've seemed even worse than before kick-off. It's given him a chance to build the suggestion of some momentum. The players will hopefully be mentally energised, and the DEFCON level has maybe dropped half a level. Win on Saturday and things shift significantly. But a loss, particularly another ragged one against a poor team, and we're right back where we were before yesterday I just hope this doesn't end up being another Watford away moment where an unconvincing win gives the manager an undeserved stay of execution while we miss out on the chance of appointing better managers in the time we spend dithering afterwards. Ultimately, Birmingham this weekend is the one that matters. Just like how the Wigan win didn't produce a bounce, it's unlikely that this result on it's own will have any major effect. Leeds made wholesale changes and are clearly prioritising promotion. While we desperately needed a win of any kind after our poor start to the season so we fielded a stronger side and were more motivated from the off. How we do on Saturday will show where we really are. Another poor defeat and I'd sack him and use the international break to find his replacement. Hopefully Hughton. |
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Aug 28, 2019 10:00:42 GMT
It changes nothing. His future remains very firmly in the balance. He knows it.
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Post by richardparker on Aug 28, 2019 10:34:13 GMT
Every single manager is susceptible to the trap door ... without any exclusions.
We saw how Hughes went from hero to zero over a long period of time. He had the credit of those 3 top 10 finishes!
If Liverpool fail to win silverware in the next 2 seasons Klopp will be history ( ... here's hoping)!
Nathan Jones knows the score. He knows he has to start winning matches in the league before the pressure will lift.
If he can do his job without fans calling for his head, this will help him in his quest. It's not rocket science!
We don't have an amazing squad of players, so patience is key. The job is already a poisoned chalice with any replacement likely to experience the same fate.
Time to support Stoke City ... we are all Stoke aren't we?
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Post by realstokebloke on Aug 28, 2019 11:24:24 GMT
He's very firmly still in the woods, but he's found a little bit of a clearing in there. Lose that shoot-out, and things would've seemed even worse than before kick-off. It's given him a chance to build the suggestion of some momentum. The players will hopefully be mentally energised, and the DEFCON level has maybe dropped half a level. Win on Saturday and things shift significantly. But a loss, particularly another ragged one against a poor team, and we're right back where we were before yesterday
* Out Of Touch: something my kids say all the time.
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Post by lordb on Aug 28, 2019 11:27:47 GMT
He's very firmly still in the woods, but he's found a little bit of a clearing in there. Lose that shoot-out, and things would've seemed even worse than before kick-off. It's given him a chance to build the suggestion of some momentum. The players will hopefully be mentally energised, and the DEFCON level has maybe dropped half a level. Win on Saturday and things shift significantly. But a loss, particularly another ragged one against a poor team, and we're right back where we were before yesterday good analogy would say we area at DEFCON 2 currently |
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 28, 2019 11:30:36 GMT
He's very firmly still in the woods, but he's found a little bit of a clearing in there. Lose that shoot-out, and things would've seemed even worse than before kick-off. It's given him a chance to build the suggestion of some momentum. The players will hopefully be mentally energised, and the DEFCON level has maybe dropped half a level. Win on Saturday and things shift significantly. But a loss, particularly another ragged one against a poor team, and we're right back where we were before yesterday
* Out Of Touch: something my kids say all the time.
Its levels of risk and preparatory in the case of a nuclear war. Defence readiness condition with 5 to 1 which is the oh shit level. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 11:36:31 GMT
He's very firmly still in the woods, but he's found a little bit of a clearing in there. Lose that shoot-out, and things would've seemed even worse than before kick-off. It's given him a chance to build the suggestion of some momentum. The players will hopefully be mentally energised, and the DEFCON level has maybe dropped half a level. Win on Saturday and things shift significantly. But a loss, particularly another ragged one against a poor team, and we're right back where we were before yesterday good analogy would say we area at DEFCON 2 currently I'd say DEFCON 3 At DEFCON 3, the US armed forces are ready to deploy in 6 hours. The US begins exerting force and more actively hunts Intel and potential terrorists or insurgents. DEFCON 3 is unsettling, but is occasionally reached and subsequently lowered |
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Post by realstokebloke on Aug 28, 2019 11:45:59 GMT
Still in it for me.
Whether he has a compass or, better still, a whizz-bang gps system to navigate his way out of them and back onto the the promotion mainstream successfully is quite ano matter.
For example, many last night speculated that, that he was starting his second string (presumably resting his first for the 'more important' Brum game on Sat'dee).
But did he actually know that? And, indeed, are they now his first team? I wish I knew - and I wish I thought that Nathan knew too.
For me, his copy book on transfers and plugging black hole sized gaps in the team / squad is well and truly blotted.
As are some of his truly befuddling slections and substitutions.
All compounded by his numerous promises of fast / athletic / dynamic / youthful / cutting edge (insert adjective here) style of footie that have simply not come to pass.
So far at least.
And then compare that to a Bielsa or a Wilder who did / have largely worked with what they had and transformed their squads without recourse to an unprecedented amount of C'ship cash.
For me, Jonesy is a lucky boy. Had he taken the reigns when either Lambert or Rowett did (& we could still afford to sack him financially and reputationally) I'm pretty sure we would have done.
The fact that we have burned through two managers in such quick succession in such an almighty horlicks of an attempt to 'sort the process' and get back up to the Prem., means that we simply cannot burn ano.
Quite just yet anyway.
But everyone knows that the league results have to improve massively & asap for him to be remotely clear of the woods.
I wish him well and sincerely hope he does it, I really do but, as per my views on him from day one, he really, really now needs to deliver on the verbals.
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Post by realstokebloke on Aug 28, 2019 11:50:11 GMT
Go on then Grapey, I'll ask (& risk public ridicule for being massively OOT*) what the flip is DEFCON please?
* Out Of Touch: something my kids say all the time.
Its levels of risk and preparatory in the case of a nuclear war. Defence readiness condition with 5 to 1 which is the oh shit level.
So, to be clear, 5 is the lowest and 1 the highest level of preparedness?
Edit: I'm guessing it's the other way 'round looking at the other posts.
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 28, 2019 12:18:02 GMT
Does this win make Jones safe for the short term or would another defeat Saturday plunge him back into deep trouble? We remain bottom of the league so last night, as things stand, changes nothing. I still think he’s going to have to go. If he starts stringing wins together than maybe that changes, but it needs to be wins, and lots of them. Not ‘plucky’ draws or defeats. |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 28, 2019 12:20:36 GMT
If we start to win a few the poor start may be a blessing in disguise, I didn’t think we’d get promoted this year and this might reset some of the fan base expectations (admittedly partially created by Jones himself) and take some of the pressure off.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 28, 2019 12:21:51 GMT
I don't think he'll survive a heavy defeat on Saturday.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 28, 2019 12:32:46 GMT
A draw in a poxy cup after his start? Nah.
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