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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:34:28 GMT
We may yet lose tonight, but it's no coincidence that our performance is better with a changed formation.
All of our holding mids are poor so it makes sense to ditch the position in the diamond in favour of a centre half, go to three at the back and teams won't be able to so easily cut right through the centre of us as they have been doing.
I really hope Nathan learns from this, if we ditch the diamond for a 3-5-2 (or 5-2-1-2 if you like), we could really see things improve.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 27, 2019 19:35:32 GMT
He will no doubt play the diamond at the weekend and make at least 6 changes....
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 27, 2019 19:36:59 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Aug 27, 2019 19:38:26 GMT
I think he has seen the players aren't adapting as quickly as he'd like and this is a formation to help them transition towards the very attacking 41212 formation he likes.
I'm convinced with a bit of confidence the players and Jones could create something, just needs time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:39:06 GMT
We may yet lose tonight, but it's no coincidence that our performance is better with a changed formation. All of our holding mids are poor so it makes sense to ditch the position in the diamond in favour of a centre half, go to three at the back and teams won't be able to so easily cut right through the centre of us as they have been doing. I really hope Nathan learns from this, if we ditch the diamond for a 3-5-2 (or 5-2-1-2 if you like), we could really see things improve. And we are stronger in defence with Bruno back. Ridiculous to fuck him off. Brunooooooo! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:39:38 GMT
I do worry about how wedded to the diamond he seems, but he's clearly tactically astute and I'm praying he is open to things changing, and long term too. Another fear I have is he will play a new formation, get some results and then decide we're confident enough to go back to the fucking diamond, and it'll haunt us his entire tenure. |
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Post by s8to on Aug 27, 2019 19:42:22 GMT
We may yet lose tonight, but it's no coincidence that our performance is better with a changed formation. All of our holding mids are poor so it makes sense to ditch the position in the diamond in favour of a centre half, go to three at the back and teams won't be able to so easily cut right through the centre of us as they have been doing. I really hope Nathan learns from this, if we ditch the diamond for a 3-5-2 (or 5-2-1-2 if you like), we could really see things improve. And we are stronger in defence with Bruno back. Ridiculous to fuck him off. Brunooooooo! I did wonder re Erik the same way.. after all these are Prem players and a cut above the likes of Maclean at LB |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:43:53 GMT
And we are stronger in defence with Bruno back. Ridiculous to fuck him off. Brunooooooo! I did wonder re Erik the same way.. after all these are Prem players and a cut above the likes of Maclean at LB We’d definitely be better with Erik. |
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 27, 2019 19:44:50 GMT
It’s still a Diamond by the way, just with a back 3.
There’s nothing wrong with a diamond with 4 at the back once we get a bit of confidence in front of goal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:44:52 GMT
That was a different 352 wasn't it? Adam was sat deep behind a two. Tonight sounds very much like Ince ahead of a two? It could satisfy his craving for a diamond if his middle of the three centre halves can bring the ball out and step up into midfield in possession, and slot back out of possession. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:47:34 GMT
It’s still a Diamond by the way, just with a back 3. There’s nothing wrong with a diamond with 4 at the back once we get a bit of confidence in front of goal. If you’ve got 3 at the back and 2 wingbacks and 2 upfront that’s 7 so there’s only 3 outfield players in midfield and therefore there is no diamond in midfield |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 27, 2019 19:49:26 GMT
This formation got outplayed at preston in the second half.
We are playing a very youthful leeds side.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:51:13 GMT
We played three at the back on Saturday and got tonked.....didnt we?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:52:40 GMT
This formation got outplayed at preston in the second half. We are playing a very youthful leeds side. I’m not sure it was the same. He said himself he still played a diamond in midfield then. I don’t think he is today on the basis there is only 3 midfielders. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:53:59 GMT
We played three at the back on Saturday and got tonked.....didnt we? But only one up front. The midfield is different. |
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Post by robstokie on Aug 27, 2019 19:54:39 GMT
I think the key is bringing BMI back in as well as Campbell, who looks like he is linking up well with Vokes up top.
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Post by Billy the kid on Aug 27, 2019 19:58:14 GMT
I think the key is bringing BMI back in as well as Campbell, who looks like he is linking up well with Vokes up top. Both changes have changed the while way we are playing, assured defence work and someone as an outlet. This is how we should line up in the league.... let's hope the diamond is put to bed, these players, this squad is capable or so much more. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 27, 2019 20:03:06 GMT
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Post by 'i'mnaked' on Aug 27, 2019 20:03:24 GMT
It's called the Rhombus.
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Post by robstokie on Aug 27, 2019 20:04:29 GMT
I think the key is bringing BMI back in as well as Campbell, who looks like he is linking up well with Vokes up top. Both changes have changed the while way we are playing, assured defence work and someone as an outlet. This is how we should line up in the league.... let's hope the diamond is put to bed, these players, this squad is capable or so much more. It's weird to think though this is the first time we've started with Vokes and Campbell as a front 2. Always thought they'd compliment each other |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 20:05:14 GMT
There are 3 in midfield - it’s not a rhombus. It sounds like we are in three nice lines with the wingbacks on the wings. Everyone nicely where they are supposed to be. Nothing fancy or complicated. |
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Post by Billy the kid on Aug 27, 2019 20:09:06 GMT
Both changes have changed the while way we are playing, assured defence work and someone as an outlet. This is how we should line up in the league.... let's hope the diamond is put to bed, these players, this squad is capable or so much more. It's weird to think though this is the first time we've started with Vokes and Campbell as a front 2. Always thought they'd compliment each other The most hand in glove partnership we have had in years, my father in law is a season ticket at the new meadow and said he is a special player. Sadly our nath doesn't see it, would love to see verlinden to have a few mins too, and bruno gives us everything back that we lost with ryan injury. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 27, 2019 20:17:57 GMT
We played three at the back on Saturday and got tonked.....didnt we? There's no diamond in this. This formation suits us best, need 2 up top otherwise striker gets isolated. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 27, 2019 20:20:33 GMT
And we change and it all fucks up.
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Post by nonameface on Aug 27, 2019 20:31:41 GMT
And we change and it all fucks up. Like many results, Butlands fault. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 20:34:48 GMT
And we change and it all fucks up. What was that about? Not only changing when it was working but changing immediately after we conceded a goal? Surely the needed to regain their composure before unsettling it further. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 20:35:36 GMT
We played three at the back on Saturday and got tonked.....didnt we? We played a three at the back diamond, which to me makes even less sense than the four at the back one. This is very different, that is so bizarrely back heavy and gives you no chance of getting out of your own box, you're substituting the holding midfielder for a striker essentially but then having the midfield two more narrow and deep, leading to them not having to cover a daft amount of ground like headless chickens. |
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Post by citynickscfc on Aug 27, 2019 20:36:55 GMT
We played three at the back on Saturday and got tonked.....didnt we? We played a three at the back diamond, which to me makes even less sense than the four at the back one. This is very different, that is so bizarrely back heavy and gives you no chance of getting out of your own box, you're substituting the holding midfielder for a striker essentially but then having the midfield two more narrow and deep, leading to them not having to cover a daft amount of ground like headless chickens. It's a crap formation. Can't defend anyway, even when we are ok we do everything to mess up |
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Post by marylandstoke on Aug 27, 2019 20:38:07 GMT
There are people on here that know their football intimately. Have knowledge of tactics and players I could only imagine having. Knowing some of their jobs (or at least having intimations of said) they are intelligent and worldly people. Well travelled, etc,etc. If they are debating what a diamond is, or isn’t, who else is confused. Cubic Zirconium anyone??
My point is, my frustration with NJ is, even having lived through Ball, Kamara, Quitterall and such, is for the first time in ages I really don’t think he knows what he is doing. This has, to me, been doubly underlined by weird subs and players he brought in so the bomb squad can play 11 a side against the under 23s.
Even some of the greatest sportsmen are not always know for their intelligence. The great quarterback Terry Bradsure supposedly couldn’t spell cat if you spotted him the consonants. There is a principle known as KISS....keep it simple stupid. Maybe that will be plan H or something?
Again, nowhere ITK and with way too much blood in my alcohol stream. The Guinness just got opened when I found we were 2 up at half time.🕺🏽
Edit
And upon completion find it 2-2 now ffs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 20:43:12 GMT
We played a three at the back diamond, which to me makes even less sense than the four at the back one. This is very different, that is so bizarrely back heavy and gives you no chance of getting out of your own box, you're substituting the holding midfielder for a striker essentially but then having the midfield two more narrow and deep, leading to them not having to cover a daft amount of ground like headless chickens. It's a crap formation. Can't defend anyway, even when we are ok we do everything to mess up Which is? 3-5-2 could well be the answer I think, we haven't enough wingers for 4-2-3-1 as it stands and with our current squad I can't think of anything better. |
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