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Post by prettything on Aug 25, 2019 19:49:38 GMT
Let's just say for arguments sake they did bring Pulis back. Come April and we are still in a relegation position after he brings in a few of his own players in January? What then? I know what, every fucking excuse under the sun would be dragged out to defend him from some on here stating not enough time, not all his own players, the pitch was too wide etc etc. I don't think for one minute the club will go crawling back to him anyway. Nathan Jones was always going to be a long term project as he was afforded at Luton and they are now reaping the rewards of his work. All this bullshit about him being a lower league manager is exactly that, bullshit. Pulis was a lower league manager when he came to us and he was given time and a shit ton of money. I'm not sure if it will work out for Jones, but I'm hoping he can turn it around. Again I'm not sure how he is going to do it. We've had a shit 3 years and sacking another manager this early into a season is fucking bonkers. I'm going to wait until end of November before I start getting worried. That doesn't mean I'm happy with the situation at the moment and I am fucking pissed off but there is something really wrong at this club at the moment and it goes far deeper than the manager imho. H What happens if we aren’t in a relegation position in April, under Pulis? We have both seen managers at the end of their tenure before they were dismissed at Stoke.No confidence, changing players for the sake of hoping something may click ... Yesterday felt like that. The Birmingham game is huge for Jones.
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Post by BristolMick on Aug 25, 2019 19:50:07 GMT
Let's just say for arguments sake they did bring Pulis back. Come April and we are still in a relegation position after he brings in a few of his own players in January? What then? I know what, every fucking excuse under the sun would be dragged out to defend him from some on here stating not enough time, not all his own players, the pitch was too wide etc etc. I don't think for one minute the club will go crawling back to him anyway. Nathan Jones was always going to be a long term project as he was afforded at Luton and they are now reaping the rewards of his work. All this bullshit about him being a lower league manager is exactly that, bullshit. Pulis was a lower league manager when he came to us and he was given time and a shit ton of money. I'm not sure if it will work out for Jones, but I'm hoping he can turn it around. Again I'm not sure how he is going to do it. We've had a shit 3 years and sacking another manager this early into a season is fucking bonkers. I'm going to wait until end of November before I start getting worried. That doesn't mean I'm happy with the situation at the moment and I am fucking pissed off but there is something really wrong at this club at the moment and it goes far deeper than the manager imho. H That’s about where I am too H. As gut wrenching as it is to see that performance yesterday and the even worse one at Preston there has been encouraging signs this season. I know this though if Pulis comes back I’m done. I’m out of here and after pretty much 25 years of being an active and regular supporter I will find something else to do with my precious Saturdays. BM
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 25, 2019 19:52:05 GMT
Let's just say for arguments sake they did bring Pulis back. Come April and we are still in a relegation position after he brings in a few of his own players in January? What then? I know what, every fucking excuse under the sun would be dragged out to defend him from some on here stating not enough time, not all his own players, the pitch was too wide etc etc. I don't think for one minute the club will go crawling back to him anyway. Nathan Jones was always going to be a long term project as he was afforded at Luton and they are now reaping the rewards of his work. All this bullshit about him being a lower league manager is exactly that, bullshit. Pulis was a lower league manager when he came to us and he was given time and a shit ton of money. I'm not sure if it will work out for Jones, but I'm hoping he can turn it around. Again I'm not sure how he is going to do it. We've had a shit 3 years and sacking another manager this early into a season is fucking bonkers. I'm going to wait until end of November before I start getting worried. That doesn't mean I'm happy with the situation at the moment and I am fucking pissed off but there is something really wrong at this club at the moment and it goes far deeper than the manager imho. H Well said that man, I’m convinced NJ will get us on the right path again given sufficient time, granted things are not great at the moment but changing manager every five minutes is not the answer. There were signs against Charlton and Derby that things were beginning to click....intermittent kamikaze defending / keeping aside which quite frankly the manager can’t legislate for, the players need to take some of the fucking heat for this. Yes they do. another thing, Say jones goes early and the next man doesn't hit the ground running, what do we do sack him aswell? 3 managers in a season? Really productive that would be, almost relegation by design. Fully deserved to boot
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Post by serpico on Aug 25, 2019 19:58:10 GMT
Pretty sure Jones hit the ground running at Luton ?, he was brought in part way through a season and got them away from the relegation spots and then the next season got them promoted, there was no project that required patience as such, he just did really well from the get go, right man at the right time.
He’s just hit the ground here, we didn’t even get a new manager bounce out of him.
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Post by an348398 on Aug 25, 2019 19:58:19 GMT
Let's just say for arguments sake they did bring Pulis back. Come April and we are still in a relegation position after he brings in a few of his own players in January? What then? I know what, every fucking excuse under the sun would be dragged out to defend him from some on here stating not enough time, not all his own players, the pitch was too wide etc etc. I don't think for one minute the club will go crawling back to him anyway. Nathan Jones was always going to be a long term project as he was afforded at Luton and they are now reaping the rewards of his work. All this bullshit about him being a lower league manager is exactly that, bullshit. Pulis was a lower league manager when he came to us and he was given time and a shit ton of money. I'm not sure if it will work out for Jones, but I'm hoping he can turn it around. Again I'm not sure how he is going to do it. We've had a shit 3 years and sacking another manager this early into a season is fucking bonkers. I'm going to wait until end of November before I start getting worried. That doesn't mean I'm happy with the situation at the moment and I am fucking pissed off but there is something really wrong at this club at the moment and it goes far deeper than the manager imho. H That’s about where I am to H. As gut wrenching as it is to see that performance yesterday and the even worse one at Preston there has been encouraging signs this season. I know this though if Pulis comes back I’m done. I’m out of here and after pretty much 25 years of being an active and regular supporter I will find something else to do with my precious Saturdays. BM If I had a criticism of Jones it’d be his team selection yesterday, whilst there were a few who quite rightly were dropped I didn’t think he needed to change 6, had he avoided wholesale changes I think we may have seen a more competitive game. He needs to keep his cool and stick to his principles instead of bowing to supporter pressure, prior to Preston there were definitely signs of improvement....when was the last time we had 20 odd shots on goal two matches running? i.e. charlton and derby
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 25, 2019 20:01:33 GMT
Let's just say for arguments sake they did bring Pulis back. Come April and we are still in a relegation position after he brings in a few of his own players in January? What then? I know what, every fucking excuse under the sun would be dragged out to defend him from some on here stating not enough time, not all his own players, the pitch was too wide etc etc. I don't think for one minute the club will go crawling back to him anyway. Nathan Jones was always going to be a long term project as he was afforded at Luton and they are now reaping the rewards of his work. All this bullshit about him being a lower league manager is exactly that, bullshit. Pulis was a lower league manager when he came to us and he was given time and a shit ton of money. I'm not sure if it will work out for Jones, but I'm hoping he can turn it around. Again I'm not sure how he is going to do it. We've had a shit 3 years and sacking another manager this early into a season is fucki H I’m well aware of your opinion of TP so don’t let’s go down that route. Personally I like NJ. I think he’s a honest and capable however I’m really struggling to identify why things are happening which are not taking the club forward, meeting his and our expectations. His record to-date is poor and the question marks over his tenure to date are justified. If there is a stick or twist scenario I’m hoping (with grave concern) that the family will have a clear strategy for the “immediate” future. Again IMHO the EPL is the place to be. Your right when you say “there is something really wrong at this club at the moment and it goes far deeper than the manager” The family really need to take the lead and demonstrate their undoubted business skills to reverse the current malaise we find ourselves in. I know now exactly where I would start
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Post by bobstokie on Aug 25, 2019 20:03:57 GMT
I think if nj is given another 25 games most likeley he will win 3 more games as i cant see any improvement being made over his previous 25 so if we are to avoid relegation and the (possible) prospect of playing crewe and or vale next season then nj has to go as soon as possible. most stoke fans bought into his vision and have stuck with him but for me the last 2 games have been a turning point and to put him and us out of our misery the club will have to part company with him.do we then spin the roulette wheel again and hope we strike lucky (the stakes are vey high)and get a manager who has never been in such a situation before and hope he can turn it around or do we turn to someone who most on here (however grudgingly for some )know he could soon stop the freefall and after that who knows?i refer of course to tp i know he is not everyones choice but he is the man for the job.ihave supported stoke scince 1968 when i was 20 and have watched them under all the managers scince then we seem to be sleepwalking to disaster the time for action is now.coymp
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Post by BristolMick on Aug 25, 2019 20:04:34 GMT
That’s about where I am to H. As gut wrenching as it is to see that performance yesterday and the even worse one at Preston there has been encouraging signs this season. I know this though if Pulis comes back I’m done. I’m out of here and after pretty much 25 years of being an active and regular supporter I will find something else to do with my precious Saturdays. BM If I had a criticism of Jones it’d be his team selection yesterday, whilst there were a few who quite rightly were dropped I didn’t think he needed to change 6, had he avoided wholesale changes I think we may have seen a more competitive game. He needs to keep his cool and stick to his principles instead of bowing to supporter pressure, prior to Preston there were definitely signs of improvement....when was the last time we had 20 odd shots on goal two matches running? i.e. charlton and derby I agree but it’s easy to lose focus when you have half the support base wetting themselves and running around like Beaker off *Sesame Street! BM * Edit - Might have been the Muppets
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Post by serpico on Aug 25, 2019 21:10:52 GMT
I don’t think we’ll get relegated but this squad is bang average.
name one player with genuine creativity ? Name one player who can pick a pass and open up a defence ? Name a player with decent pace ? Name a player who will get 10+ goals this season ?
Sorry to seem negative but I’m struggling to see many positives right now, this squad is much of a muchness.
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Post by Davef on Aug 25, 2019 21:18:56 GMT
We can't score more than two goals in a game and we haven't got a clean sheet in us.
It's a recipe for one thing.
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Post by jonso on Aug 25, 2019 21:19:49 GMT
Let's just say for arguments sake they did bring Pulis back. Come April and we are still in a relegation position after he brings in a few of his own players in January? What then? I know what, every fucking excuse under the sun would be dragged out to defend him from some on here stating not enough time, not all his own players, the pitch was too wide etc etc. I don't think for one minute the club will go crawling back to him anyway. Nathan Jones was always going to be a long term project as he was afforded at Luton and they are now reaping the rewards of his work. All this bullshit about him being a lower league manager is exactly that, bullshit. Pulis was a lower league manager when he came to us and he was given time and a shit ton of money. I'm not sure if it will work out for Jones, but I'm hoping he can turn it around. Again I'm not sure how he is going to do it. We've had a shit 3 years and sacking another manager this early into a season is fucking bonkers. I'm going to wait until end of November before I start getting worried. That doesn't mean I'm happy with the situation at the moment and I am fucking pissed off but there is something really wrong at this club at the moment and it goes far deeper than the manager imho. H Well said that man, I’m convinced NJ will get us on the right path again given sufficient time, granted things are not great at the moment but changing manager every five minutes is not the answer. There were signs against Charlton and Derby that things were beginning to click....intermittent kamikaze defending / keeping aside which quite frankly the manager can’t legislate for, the players need to take some of the fucking heat for this. Agreed
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 25, 2019 21:28:24 GMT
Let's just say for arguments sake they did bring Pulis back. Come April and we are still in a relegation position after he brings in a few of his own players in January? What then? I know what, every fucking excuse under the sun would be dragged out to defend him from some on here stating not enough time, not all his own players, the pitch was too wide etc etc. I don't think for one minute the club will go crawling back to him anyway. Nathan Jones was always going to be a long term project as he was afforded at Luton and they are now reaping the rewards of his work. All this bullshit about him being a lower league manager is exactly that, bullshit. Pulis was a lower league manager when he came to us and he was given time and a shit ton of money. I'm not sure if it will work out for Jones, but I'm hoping he can turn it around. Again I'm not sure how he is going to do it. We've had a shit 3 years and sacking another manager this early into a season is fucking bonkers. I'm going to wait until end of November before I start getting worried. That doesn't mean I'm happy with the situation at the moment and I am fucking pissed off but there is something really wrong at this club at the moment and it goes far deeper than the manager imho. H November would be a decent marker to judge, very much like Rowett but with the situation manifesting its self as it has, there is every chance we might not get to give him till then. Just curious RAF, would your November time frame change if we get tonked at Brum? I think if we do get hammered then there is humongous cause for concern. If it did become 1 point from 6 then quietly upstairs they'll be worrying a lot, especially Jonesy.
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Post by RAF on Aug 25, 2019 22:25:55 GMT
Let's just say for arguments sake they did bring Pulis back. Come April and we are still in a relegation position after he brings in a few of his own players in January? What then? I know what, every fucking excuse under the sun would be dragged out to defend him from some on here stating not enough time, not all his own players, the pitch was too wide etc etc. I don't think for one minute the club will go crawling back to him anyway. Nathan Jones was always going to be a long term project as he was afforded at Luton and they are now reaping the rewards of his work. All this bullshit about him being a lower league manager is exactly that, bullshit. Pulis was a lower league manager when he came to us and he was given time and a shit ton of money. I'm not sure if it will work out for Jones, but I'm hoping he can turn it around. Again I'm not sure how he is going to do it. We've had a shit 3 years and sacking another manager this early into a season is fucking bonkers. I'm going to wait until end of November before I start getting worried. That doesn't mean I'm happy with the situation at the moment and I am fucking pissed off but there is something really wrong at this club at the moment and it goes far deeper than the manager imho. H November would be a decent marker to judge, very much like Rowett but with the situation manifesting its self as it has, there is every chance we might not get to give him till then. Just curious RAF, would your November time frame change if we get tonked at Brum? I think if we do get hammered then there is humongous cause for concern. If it did become 1 point from 6 then quietly upstairs they'll be worrying a lot, especially Jonesy. I don't think it will, but I will be ultra fucked off. I think sometimes we have to eat a few shit sandwiches to see improvement, but not a whole shops worth! H
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Post by wilcopotter on Aug 25, 2019 22:56:22 GMT
We are now 12 points behind the top 2. If this12 points was a financial fair play sanction, we’d be thinking that’s promotion gone, and we’ve got ourselves in this position before the end of August. Yes, it’s relagation form alright.
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Post by serpico on Aug 25, 2019 23:01:30 GMT
It’s not as if we’re in financial trouble, We’ve spent millions of pounds since relegation , how the heck is this even happening ?
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 25, 2019 23:02:40 GMT
If Jones sticks to what the players have spent all pre-season training for then it will come good, if he keeps changing approach like he did against Leeds then it will get worse. I don't think we should be looking at relegation yet, we should continue with pressing teams and results will come.
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Post by wilcopotter on Aug 25, 2019 23:13:25 GMT
Let's just say for arguments sake they did bring Pulis back. Come April and we are still in a relegation position after he brings in a few of his own players in January? What then? I know what, every fucking excuse under the sun would be dragged out to defend him from some on here stating not enough time, not all his own players, the pitch was too wide etc etc. I don't think for one minute the club will go crawling back to him anyway. Nathan Jones was always going to be a long term project as he was afforded at Luton and they are now reaping the rewards of his work. All this bullshit about him being a lower league manager is exactly that, bullshit. Pulis was a lower league manager when he came to us and he was given time and a shit ton of money. I'm not sure if it will work out for Jones, but I'm hoping he can turn it around. Again I'm not sure how he is going to do it. We've had a shit 3 years and sacking another manager this early into a season is fucking bonkers. I'm going to wait until end of November before I start getting worried. That doesn't mean I'm happy with the situation at the moment and I am fucking pissed off but there is something really wrong at this club at the moment and it goes far deeper than the manager imho. H Do you think Pete regrets his “Sorry Tone, we’re going to the next level” conversation he had with him? If so, the door may be open to him. Honestly, I’m 50/50 on that. Never forget the Villa win when he turned up at Hal fine. However, the football was boring. Just one thing and this is not a wind up. Why do people say Pulis is divisive?
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Post by RAF on Aug 26, 2019 0:07:09 GMT
Let's just say for arguments sake they did bring Pulis back. Come April and we are still in a relegation position after he brings in a few of his own players in January? What then? I know what, every fucking excuse under the sun would be dragged out to defend him from some on here stating not enough time, not all his own players, the pitch was too wide etc etc. I don't think for one minute the club will go crawling back to him anyway. Nathan Jones was always going to be a long term project as he was afforded at Luton and they are now reaping the rewards of his work. All this bullshit about him being a lower league manager is exactly that, bullshit. Pulis was a lower league manager when he came to us and he was given time and a shit ton of money. I'm not sure if it will work out for Jones, but I'm hoping he can turn it around. Again I'm not sure how he is going to do it. We've had a shit 3 years and sacking another manager this early into a season is fucking bonkers. I'm going to wait until end of November before I start getting worried. That doesn't mean I'm happy with the situation at the moment and I am fucking pissed off but there is something really wrong at this club at the moment and it goes far deeper than the manager imho. H Do you think Pete regrets his “Sorry Tone, we’re going to the next level” conversation he had with him? If so, the door may be open to him. Honestly, I’m 50/50 on that. Never forget the Villa win when he turned up at Hal fine. However, the football was boring. Just one thing and this is not a wind up. Why do people say Pulis is divisive? I don't think so. If he was ever going to bring him back it would have been before he went to Middlesbrough. Stranger things have happened though. As for me being divisive, were you actually on this messageboard when he managed us? H
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Post by mcw on Aug 26, 2019 0:23:36 GMT
If Jones sticks to what the players have spent all pre-season training for then it will come good, if he keeps changing approach like he did against Leeds then it will get worse. I don't think we should be looking at relegation yet, we should continue with pressing teams and results will come. I am not so sure it will. His diamond formation requires bravery, quick thought and players anticipating where to be when attacking and snuffing out danger and covering for one another when defending. The confidence in this squad is shot to pieces, hence we have a good spell or spells against “lower” opposition but once we are out of possession it is like the keystone cops and panic stations set in. 3 years of absolute shite has left it’s mark on the crowd and the club as a whole. He needs to go back to basics and swallow his pride-as he did last year- change to 4-2-3-1 or whatever and eek some results, instill some belief in the team and the crowd. Once (if) we are safe or heading up the table, that’s the time to try out his frocking diamond crap.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 1:06:21 GMT
We are down with this shower of crap, no leaders, no spirit and all wage takers!
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Post by wilcopotter on Aug 26, 2019 6:18:40 GMT
We are down with this shower of crap, no leaders, no spirit and all wage takers! We finished 16, really 17th last season. We’ve recruited generally frees from the bottom half of the Championship and the top of league one from a side that was relegated the year before. Plus Ward, Which reminds me of the Dorigo signing. In a way, it should be no surprise where we are.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 26, 2019 6:22:23 GMT
If you employ 3 substandard managers on the bounce this is what you will inevitably get.
I never thought I'd ever say this (maybe I'm only saying this because I need sleep) but I think the only person that can stop this squad getting relegated is Tony Pulis. There I just said it.
I'm going to have a cold shower and hope I come out the other side and delete this.
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Post by biglad180 on Aug 26, 2019 7:00:18 GMT
I don’t think we’ll get relegated but this squad is bang average. name one player with genuine creativity ? Name one player who can pick a pass and open up a defence ? Name a player with decent pace ? Name a player who will get 10+ goals this season ? Sorry to seem negative but I’m struggling to see many positives right now, this squad is much of a muchness. given a fair crack of the whip i can think of one we have just let go for nothing.BOJAN no one will convince me any different,
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Post by questionable on Aug 26, 2019 7:05:03 GMT
I wouldn’t want Pulisic back but if it meant he’d sort out this bunch of overpaid tossers out I’m in, oh hang on didn’t Jones say he’d now done it with a settled squad.
Either way I think there’s more crap to come, I just hope to god that Scholes goes soon followed by Junior
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Post by PolPotter on Aug 26, 2019 9:28:17 GMT
The writing was on the wall. What confirmed it was Arnie leaving. No other player left the club like he did since our promotion. We have a proven track record for not having any idea what to do in these situation. We are wank. So, at the risk of repeating myself, you predicted from that position we would get relegated TWO divisions in 3 seasons? What utter, utter bollocks. I expected us to get relegated from the Premier League when it was clear the owners didn't have an ounce of ambition in them. I thought we can do a Wolves easily.
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Post by SCFC92 on Aug 26, 2019 10:14:00 GMT
Let's just say for arguments sake they did bring Pulis back. Come April and we are still in a relegation position after he brings in a few of his own players in January? What then? I know what, every fucking excuse under the sun would be dragged out to defend him from some on here stating not enough time, not all his own players, the pitch was too wide etc etc. I don't think for one minute the club will go crawling back to him anyway. Nathan Jones was always going to be a long term project as he was afforded at Luton and they are now reaping the rewards of his work. All this bullshit about him being a lower league manager is exactly that, bullshit. Pulis was a lower league manager when he came to us and he was given time and a shit ton of money. I'm not sure if it will work out for Jones, but I'm hoping he can turn it around. Again I'm not sure how he is going to do it. We've had a shit 3 years and sacking another manager this early into a season is fucking bonkers. I'm going to wait until end of November before I start getting worried. That doesn't mean I'm happy with the situation at the moment and I am fucking pissed off but there is something really wrong at this club at the moment and it goes far deeper than the manager imho. H That’s about where I am too H. As gut wrenching as it is to see that performance yesterday and the even worse one at Preston there has been encouraging signs this season. I know this though if Pulis comes back I’m done. I’m out of here and after pretty much 25 years of being an active and regular supporter I will find something else to do with my precious Saturdays. BM Agree with both.
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Post by BristolMick on Aug 26, 2019 10:19:05 GMT
So, at the risk of repeating myself, you predicted from that position we would get relegated TWO divisions in 3 seasons? What utter, utter bollocks. I expected us to get relegated from the Premier League when it was clear the owners didn't have an ounce of ambition in them. I thought we can do a Wolves easily. Do a Wolves? Well it’s all looking good for them now isn’t it. Likewise Leicester who were relegated to the third division the day we were promoted to the Premier. Or how about doing a Leeds who have only just started to realise their ambition 16 years after dropping out of the top flight with also a spell in the third division after suffering financial calamity thanks to overspending on players that didn’t deliver. Something we can also learn from Leeds is how did it work out for them when they were firing managers every 3 or 4 months? BM
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Post by SCFC92 on Aug 26, 2019 10:25:08 GMT
I expected us to get relegated from the Premier League when it was clear the owners didn't have an ounce of ambition in them. I thought we can do a Wolves easily. Do a Wolves? Well it’s all looking good for them now isn’t it. Likewise Leicester who were relegated to the third division the day we were promoted to the Premier. Or how about doing a Leeds who have only just started to realise their ambition 16 years after dropping out of the top flight with also a spell in the third division after suffering financial calamity thanks to overspending on players that didn’t deliver. Something we can also learn from Leeds is how did it work out for them when they were firing managers every 3 or 4 months? BM Completely agree again with the firing managers point. I understand peoples frustration, I am as frustrated and angry at the situation as my fellow Stokies.. however we have got to try and stick it out. If it's looking grim after 10 games we then need to take stock and see what decisions need making. This issue runs deeper than the managers, there is a poison at the club and only those on the inside will know what it is. I think we bring any manager in, we could bring Jurgen Klopp in and I genuinely believe that we'd have the same problems. There is something else wrong here that only those who have experience inside can fix. What a shame after what was 8 years of brilliance in the Premier League. Absolutely gutted.
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Post by PolPotter on Aug 26, 2019 11:41:12 GMT
I expected us to get relegated from the Premier League when it was clear the owners didn't have an ounce of ambition in them. I thought we can do a Wolves easily. Do a Wolves? Well it’s all looking good for them now isn’t it. Likewise Leicester who were relegated to the third division the day we were promoted to the Premier. Or how about doing a Leeds who have only just started to realise their ambition 16 years after dropping out of the top flight with also a spell in the third division after suffering financial calamity thanks to overspending on players that didn’t deliver. Something we can also learn from Leeds is how did it work out for them when they were firing managers every 3 or 4 months? BM I’m referring to their double relegation. We do not have it in our DNA to bounce back like they have.
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Post by adi on Aug 26, 2019 11:57:07 GMT
Let's just say for arguments sake they did bring Pulis back. Come April and we are still in a relegation position after he brings in a few of his own players in January? What then? I know what, every fucking excuse under the sun would be dragged out to defend him from some on here stating not enough time, not all his own players, the pitch was too wide etc etc. I don't think for one minute the club will go crawling back to him anyway. Nathan Jones was always going to be a long term project as he was afforded at Luton and they are now reaping the rewards of his work. All this bullshit about him being a lower league manager is exactly that, bullshit. Pulis was a lower league manager when he came to us and he was given time and a shit ton of money. I'm not sure if it will work out for Jones, but I'm hoping he can turn it around. Again I'm not sure how he is going to do it. We've had a shit 3 years and sacking another manager this early into a season is fucki H I’m well aware of your opinion of TP so don’t let’s go down that route. Personally I like NJ. I think he’s a honest and capable however I’m really struggling to identify why things are happening which are not taking the club forward, meeting his and our expectations. His record to-date is poor and the question marks over his tenure to date are justified. If there is a stick or twist scenario I’m hoping (with grave concern) that the family will have a clear strategy for the “immediate” future. Again IMHO the EPL is the place to be. Your right when you say “there is something really wrong at this club at the moment and it goes far deeper than the manager” The family really need to take the lead and demonstrate their undoubted business skills to reverse the current malaise we find ourselves in. I know now exactly where I would start The family haven’t got a clue, they are undoing everything they helped to create. Coates has at least stopped making public comments and making himself look an arse, but it is funny that his lack of communication coincides with this fucking awful form. Scholes needs sacking and the appointment of someone who isn’t a clown . Probably Jones needs to go too but I’m willing to give him 5 more games.
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