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Duffy
Aug 23, 2019 17:42:03 GMT
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 23, 2019 17:42:03 GMT
I'd like to see Duffy!!! I remember being impressed with him last season when I saw him.....so I was pretty chuffed when I heard we'd got him!!!
But like other's Nathan's brought in..... We've yet to see him!!!
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Duffy
Aug 23, 2019 17:48:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 17:48:21 GMT
As part of a traditional back 4 at Burnley in 2014... And for us against Charlton 4 games ago Ah yes that epic defensive performance in which conceded 3 goals. And all those chances he helped create bombing down the wings. He’s a decent player but not at all what we needed for this system.
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Duffy
Aug 23, 2019 17:49:13 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Aug 23, 2019 17:49:13 GMT
Seems to be just behind the strikers or nothing with him, certainly in this system with him coming up to 34 Problem is he's in a 4-way fight with Powell, Ince and Verlinden for that role With Powell fit, it'll be interesting to see if one of the other 3 joins Verlinden in missing out on the 18 completely Is Verlinden really considered to be battling for the number 10 spot, Im not convinced. Well, yeah - he's definitely number 4. It'd be a stretch to say he's really in the mix. He got 10 minutes at Charlton - but that was with Powell injured and Duffy not match fit. I can't understand why we'd want to keep him around if he can get away on loan, anywhere, and get 20 games in. He's obviously talented, but he's just not going to get any minutes here this season
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 17:54:41 GMT
Yet another player we didn't need Probably the best 1 we have for the no.10 role
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Duffy
Aug 23, 2019 17:56:51 GMT
Post by realstokebloke on Aug 23, 2019 17:56:51 GMT
Seems to be just behind the strikers or nothing with him, certainly in this system with him coming up to 34 Problem is he's in a 4-way fight with Powell, Ince and Verlinden for that role With Powell fit, it'll be interesting to see if one of the other 3 joins Verlinden in missing out on the 18 completely Says it all really. Four players for one position and no fucker who can play left back. tbf, I'm not 100% sure we actually have x4 that can play at the tip of the diamond.
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Aug 23, 2019 18:00:31 GMT
Could someone explain why a skilful, attacking midfielder who was well liked at Bramall lane can't get into a side as fuckin Clueless as the one Jones puts out. If he doesn't fit into his stupid "diamond" system then why bring him to the club. Surely he deserves a few games to show what he can do, but then again that could mean dropping Allen god forbid!!. He plays in a different position to Allen doesn’t he? Everyone plays in a different position to the Welsh Xavi.
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Duffy
Aug 23, 2019 18:00:53 GMT
Post by realstokebloke on Aug 23, 2019 18:00:53 GMT
As part of a traditional back 4 at Burnley in 2014... And for us against Charlton 4 games ago In which he was massively undetwhelming anyway.
And he's cefinitely not the lung-busting, marauding attacking menace we thought was pencilled in there.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 23, 2019 18:03:28 GMT
I'd be surprised if he drops McClean. Might play LB, I'd rather ward for his experience tomorrow though myself If we went for a straight LB I'd agree, but I can't see Verlinden getting a start either way, McClean would be most likely as the left sided winger I guess.
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Post by bornscfcdiescfc on Aug 23, 2019 18:04:10 GMT
Seems to be just behind the strikers or nothing with him, certainly in this system with him coming up to 34 Problem is he's in a 4-way fight with Powell, Ince and Verlinden for that role With Powell fit, it'll be interesting to see if one of the other 3 joins Verlinden in missing out on the 18 completely makes you laugh really , as you stated a 4 way fight for one position and what have we at LB..?
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Duffy
Aug 23, 2019 18:04:43 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 23, 2019 18:04:43 GMT
It's a mystery, I have a sneaky suspicion jones will go 4231 tomorrow and throw ince, Duffy & verlinden in as the 3. Who will be the 2 and who will be the 1?
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Post by realstokebloke on Aug 23, 2019 18:05:30 GMT
Is Verlinden really considered to be battling for the number 10 spot, Im not convinced. Well, yeah - he's definitely number 4. It'd be a stretch to say he's really in the mix. He got 10 minutes at Charlton - but that was with Powell injured and Duffy not match fit. I can't understand why we'd want to keep him around if he can get away on loan, anywhere, and get 20 games in. He's obviously talented, but he's just not going to get any minutes here this season And in those 10 or so Grapey, he pretty much had chalk on his boots from the left touchline.
Not sure I can remember him anchored in the middle behind anyone.
Hence I suspect NJ sees him very much on the left in a change of formation / tactic type of way?
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He did well there too iir.
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Duffy
Aug 23, 2019 18:07:43 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 23, 2019 18:07:43 GMT
Seems to be just behind the strikers or nothing with him, certainly in this system with him coming up to 34 Problem is he's in a 4-way fight with Powell, Ince and Verlinden for that role With Powell fit, it'll be interesting to see if one of the other 3 joins Verlinden in missing out on the 18 completely makes you laugh really , as you stated a 4 way fight for one position and what have we at LB..? It's not a 4 way fight though is it? Verlinden isnt in the reckoning to start and is fighting for a place on the bench which I think was the planned role for ince. Powell and Duffy for no10, Ince and verlinden for the flexible game changing option from the bench
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Duffy
Aug 23, 2019 18:10:53 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Aug 23, 2019 18:10:53 GMT
Well, yeah - he's definitely number 4. It'd be a stretch to say he's really in the mix. He got 10 minutes at Charlton - but that was with Powell injured and Duffy not match fit. I can't understand why we'd want to keep him around if he can get away on loan, anywhere, and get 20 games in. He's obviously talented, but he's just not going to get any minutes here this season And in those 10 or so Grapey, he pretty much had chalk on his boots from the left touchline.
Not sure I can remember him anchored in the middle behind anyone.
Hence I suspect NJ sees him very much on the left in a change of formation / tactic type of way? Yeah, that's true, rsb. And think he got a few halves playing in the central two in pre-season too. If Powell, Ince and Duffy are all fit, though, it's hard to see him squeezing onto the bench very often at all - so even if we do decide to play with wingers and mix it up when we're chasing the game, he won't be there to bring on
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Duffy
Aug 23, 2019 19:07:54 GMT
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Aug 23, 2019 19:07:54 GMT
And for us against Charlton 4 games ago Ah yes that epic defensive performance in which conceded 3 goals. And all those chances he helped create bombing down the wings. He’s a decent player but not at all what we needed for this system. How nice of you to give up on a player after one game in which he wasn’t part of the problem....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 19:10:13 GMT
Ah yes that epic defensive performance in which conceded 3 goals. And all those chances he helped create bombing down the wings. He’s a decent player but not at all what we needed for this system. How nice of you to give up on a player after one game in which he wasn’t part of the problem.... I’ve not giving up on him. You trying to argue that he was the right LB to buy this summer is madness. That is my point. As I said he’s decent but not for this system. Put it this way, is he anymore suited than Pieters? No, probably not. So excuse me for not dishing out the recruitment excellence award on this one.
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Duffy
Aug 23, 2019 19:13:35 GMT
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Aug 23, 2019 19:13:35 GMT
And for us against Charlton 4 games ago In which he was massively undetwhelming anyway.
And he's cefinitely not the lung-busting, marauding attacking menace we thought was pencilled in there. Hardly massively underwhelming, the only thing he can really be blamed of is not getting more on target with a couple of half chances. He won more in the air than pretty much anyone else on the pitch, blocked the ball well, got forward, put crosses in and even took people on.
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Duffy
Aug 23, 2019 19:17:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 19:17:03 GMT
In which he was massively undetwhelming anyway.
And he's cefinitely not the lung-busting, marauding attacking menace we thought was pencilled in there. Hardly massively underwhelming, the only thing he can really be blamed of is not getting more on target with a couple of half chances. He won more in the air than pretty much anyone else on the pitch, blocked the ball well, got forward, put crosses in and even took people on. Can a traditional left back who has scored 3 goals in the last five years really be blamed for not getting more of his shots on target?
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Post by wherty on Aug 23, 2019 19:18:39 GMT
Could someone explain why a skilful, attacking midfielder who was well liked at Bramall lane can't get into a side as fuckin Clueless as the one Jones puts out. If he doesn't fit into his stupid "diamond" system then why bring him to the club. Surely he deserves a few games to show what he can do, but then again that could mean dropping Allen god forbid!!. Because he is 4 weeks behind fitness wise as had little pre season.
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Duffy
Aug 23, 2019 19:20:47 GMT
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Aug 23, 2019 19:20:47 GMT
How nice of you to give up on a player after one game in which he wasn’t part of the problem.... I’ve not giving up on him. You trying to argue that he was the right LB to buy this summer is madness. That is my point. As I said he’s decent but not for this system. Put it this way, is he anymore suited than Pieters? No, probably not. So excuse me for not dishing out the recruitment excellence award on this one. Did you have my half of the conversation with yourself in your own head? I haven’t said anywhere that he was the LB we should have bought this summer, It was stated as a matter of fact that “we have no fucker who can play LB” I’m simply pointing out that he can play LB to a reasonable standard and has already put in one decent performance for us this season. There’s simply no reason to think he can’t do that again and perhaps even better. Pieters was a player I quite liked and have defended on here many times, but he was clearly let go for reasons other than his on the pitch activity. Anyway, he is long gone so there is no point hanging on to him.
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Duffy
Aug 23, 2019 20:40:57 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 23, 2019 20:40:57 GMT
It's a mystery, I have a sneaky suspicion jones will go 4231 tomorrow and throw ince, Duffy & verlinden in as the 3. Who will be the 2 and who will be the 1? If he is fit I'd throw ndiaye in, stoke player at the end of the day. Failing that, clucas & etebo with clucas holding, or even etebo & cousins. It's really ridiculous we don't have a blood and guts tackler in a midfield position in the squad. Is lee catermole really that bad that he isn't worth a 1 year deal. He could anchor at DM? Lone front man I would use gregory
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Duffy
Aug 23, 2019 20:48:50 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 23, 2019 20:48:50 GMT
Cattermole has moved to Holland just seen it.
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Duffy
Aug 23, 2019 20:49:34 GMT
Post by Pugsley on Aug 23, 2019 20:49:34 GMT
Yet another player we didn't need Probably the best 1 we have for the no.10 role Really? I very much doubt he's any better than what we had/have.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 23, 2019 22:27:20 GMT
Who will be the 2 and who will be the 1? If he is fit I'd throw ndiaye in, stoke player at the end of the day. Failing that, clucas & etebo with clucas holding, or even etebo & cousins. It's really ridiculous we don't have a blood and guts tackler in a midfield position in the squad. Is lee catermole really that bad that he isn't worth a 1 year deal. He could anchor at DM? Lone front man I would use gregory I would go cousins and etebo with Gregory up top also
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 24, 2019 1:58:29 GMT
If he is fit I'd throw ndiaye in, stoke player at the end of the day. Failing that, clucas & etebo with clucas holding, or even etebo & cousins. It's really ridiculous we don't have a blood and guts tackler in a midfield position in the squad. Is lee catermole really that bad that he isn't worth a 1 year deal. He could anchor at DM? Lone front man I would use gregory I would go cousins and etebo with Gregory up top also If Cousins is seen as the answer then we all might as well fuck it all off and fuck off up the Vale.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 24, 2019 2:42:24 GMT
Duffy would instantly improve our forward capabilities. He’s the best 10 we have by a mile. .
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Duffy
Aug 24, 2019 6:38:03 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 24, 2019 6:38:03 GMT
I would go cousins and etebo with Gregory up top also If Cousins is seen as the answer then we all might as well fuck it all off and fuck off up the Vale. No one is giving the lad a chance and hes better than Allen.
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Post by lordb on Aug 24, 2019 8:01:45 GMT
If Cousins is seen as the answer then we all might as well fuck it all off and fuck off up the Vale. No one is giving the lad a chance and hes better than Allen. I'm probably the only person who thought he played reasonably well v QPR.
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Duffy
Aug 24, 2019 8:04:58 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 24, 2019 8:04:58 GMT
This is why we need to play 4231
Gregory with Ince, Powell and Duffy behind would be very decent
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Duffy
Aug 24, 2019 8:07:00 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Aug 24, 2019 8:07:00 GMT
I think Jones was expecting Ince to be a fringe player after the end of last season, but after his little cameo against QPR, when he was our best player, he had to start him against Charlton. Ince was then arguably our best player against Charlton and scored a screamer for us. You cannot really argue with him picking the team on form and merit. It is the only way he is going to keep all of these players happy and it also shows that his policy of having competition for places does actually work. That said, Ince was less effective against Derby and Preston and we probably need to change it for Leeds. That's too much sense all in one post. Apart from picking players on form and merit, Butland, Allen and Batth have all been shocking this season but they still start every league game, how does that equate to that statement ?
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Duffy
Aug 24, 2019 8:10:08 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Aug 24, 2019 8:10:08 GMT
Could someone explain why a skilful, attacking midfielder who was well liked at Bramall lane can't get into a side as fuckin Clueless as the one Jones puts out. If he doesn't fit into his stupid "diamond" system then why bring him to the club. Surely he deserves a few games to show what he can do, but then again that could mean dropping Allen god forbid!!. Because he is 4 weeks behind fitness wise as had little pre season. So why did we sign him ?
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