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Post by miffmister on Aug 22, 2019 22:27:08 GMT
Just watched highlights of last night. Butland looks a broken man. Feel for him but at the moment mistakes are costing us points so needs to be rested/ protected. Allan been poor for a while. James mcclean marmite but he puts a shift in and has fight and desire. Block 32 take note, you know who you are. Need to back the manager and the lads Saturday no matter what THEY NEEDS US TO SUPPORT THEM gooooaaaarrrrn Stoke.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 22, 2019 23:17:04 GMT
Get higher baby
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 22, 2019 23:19:25 GMT
Just get behind the lads and everything will be all right.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 22, 2019 23:30:39 GMT
Just get behind the lads and everything will be all right. Simple isn't it......why didn't we think of it before?
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 23, 2019 0:21:59 GMT
Just get behind the lads and everything will be all right. Simple isn't it......why didn't we think of it before? 😁😁
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Post by march4 on Aug 23, 2019 7:33:48 GMT
10 goals conceded in 4 games is more than fine lines.
Let’s hope for four clean sheets in the next four games.
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Post by felonious on Aug 23, 2019 7:38:31 GMT
I don't do drugs personally but I do understand that alcohol might no longer be enough to get the fans through matches.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 23, 2019 7:44:42 GMT
In some ways you are correct. Ince had 4 opportunities to test their keeper and hit it over each time. He missed a sitter from 2 yards out (not seen criticism of that which was akin to Jack's mistakes), we had one cleared off the line and scored. Collins also skewed a very good chance wide.
We were really poor once they scored but we gifted them 3 goals and dont recall them doing anything else.
With some resilience, we could have walked away from the game winning 1-0 having turned in our worst performance of the season.
We are where we are though. We are staring down the barrel and the manager is rightly under huge scrutiny and pressure.
Baath, Allen and butland simply cannot start on Saturday. He needs to be brave and make the decisions that need making
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 7:46:29 GMT
In some ways you are correct. Ince had 4 opportunities to test their keeper and hit it over each time. He missed a sitter from 2 yards out (not seen criticism of that which was akin to Jack's mistakes), we had one cleared off the line and scored. Collins also skewed a very good chance wide. We were really poor once they scored but we gifted them 3 goals and dont recall them doing anything else. With some resilience, we could have walked away from the game winning 1-0 having turned in our worst performance of the season. We are where we are though. We are staring down the barrel and the manager is rightly under huge scrutiny and pressure. Baath, Allen and butland simply cannot start on Saturday. He needs to be brave and make the decisions that need making Ince is a very selfish player which is why he doesn’t make a good number No.10. I’m not saying he’s not talented but he will always go for glory himself and one of those chances Hogan was free and Ince wasn’t in the best position and he still went for it. He had a proper No.10 on the bench which he bought.
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Post by SCFC92 on Aug 23, 2019 7:50:10 GMT
In some ways you are correct. Ince had 4 opportunities to test their keeper and hit it over each time. He missed a sitter from 2 yards out (not seen criticism of that which was akin to Jack's mistakes), we had one cleared off the line and scored. Collins also skewed a very good chance wide. We were really poor once they scored but we gifted them 3 goals and dont recall them doing anything else. With some resilience, we could have walked away from the game winning 1-0 having turned in our worst performance of the season. We are where we are though. We are staring down the barrel and the manager is rightly under huge scrutiny and pressure. Baath, Allen and butland simply cannot start on Saturday. He needs to be brave and make the decisions that need making I think Jones knows, and seems the type to act. He almost has nothing to lose, I see him dropping Allen and Butland
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Aug 23, 2019 7:53:57 GMT
In some ways you are correct. Ince had 4 opportunities to test their keeper and hit it over each time. He missed a sitter from 2 yards out (not seen criticism of that which was akin to Jack's mistakes), we had one cleared off the line and scored. Collins also skewed a very good chance wide. We were really poor once they scored but we gifted them 3 goals and dont recall them doing anything else. With some resilience, we could have walked away from the game winning 1-0 having turned in our worst performance of the season. We are where we are though. We are staring down the barrel and the manager is rightly under huge scrutiny and pressure. Baath, Allen and butland simply cannot start on Saturday. He needs to be brave and make the decisions that need making Ince is a very selfish player which is why he doesn’t make a good number No.10. I’m not saying he’s not talented but he will always go for glory himself and one of those chances Hogan was free and Ince wasn’t in the best position and he still went for it. He had a proper No.10 on the bench which he bought. in 38 games last season Ince managed 7 assists, The season before for Huddersfield in the prem he played 33 scored 2 and provided 0 assists if you go back further it gets no better.. tells us exactly what we need to know...
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Post by Veritas on Aug 23, 2019 7:56:19 GMT
In some ways you are correct. Ince had 4 opportunities to test their keeper and hit it over each time. He missed a sitter from 2 yards out (not seen criticism of that which was akin to Jack's mistakes), we had one cleared off the line and scored. Collins also skewed a very good chance wide. We were really poor once they scored but we gifted them 3 goals and dont recall them doing anything else. With some resilience, we could have walked away from the game winning 1-0 having turned in our worst performance of the season. We are where we are though. We are staring down the barrel and the manager is rightly under huge scrutiny and pressure. Baath, Allen and butland simply cannot start on Saturday. He needs to be brave and make the decisions that need making I think Jones knows, and seems the type to act. He almost has nothing to lose, I see him dropping Allen and Butland I think he has a lot to lose if he doesn't actually decisively
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 7:57:25 GMT
Ince is a very selfish player which is why he doesn’t make a good number No.10. I’m not saying he’s not talented but he will always go for glory himself and one of those chances Hogan was free and Ince wasn’t in the best position and he still went for it. He had a proper No.10 on the bench which he bought. in 38 games last season Ince managed 7 assists, The season before for Huddersfield in the prem he played 33 scored 2 and provided 0 assists if you go back further it gets no better.. tells us exactly what we need to know... Exactly - he’s a decent player don’t get me wrong (when he feels like it - his tendency to go missing is infuriating) but it can’t be Ince or Duffy or Powell. It needs to be two of those three every game. And his system does not accommodate it.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 23, 2019 8:09:26 GMT
In some ways you are correct. Ince had 4 opportunities to test their keeper and hit it over each time. He missed a sitter from 2 yards out (not seen criticism of that which was akin to Jack's mistakes), we had one cleared off the line and scored. Collins also skewed a very good chance wide. We were really poor once they scored but we gifted them 3 goals and dont recall them doing anything else. With some resilience, we could have walked away from the game winning 1-0 having turned in our worst performance of the season. We are where we are though. We are staring down the barrel and the manager is rightly under huge scrutiny and pressure. Baath, Allen and butland simply cannot start on Saturday. He needs to be brave and make the decisions that need making Ince is a very selfish player which is why he doesn’t make a good number No.10. I’m not saying he’s not talented but he will always go for glory himself and one of those chances Hogan was free and Ince wasn’t in the best position and he still went for it. He had a proper No.10 on the bench which he bought. While NJ has made it clear that he wants 2 players for every position, this may actually invite more selfish play It possibly encourages a player to avoid working alongside team mates as they try to impress In fact a good team display is exactly what we need, which doesn’t necessarily mean the best 11 individuals Interesting selection / combination for tomorrow?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 8:17:38 GMT
Ince is a very selfish player which is why he doesn’t make a good number No.10. I’m not saying he’s not talented but he will always go for glory himself and one of those chances Hogan was free and Ince wasn’t in the best position and he still went for it. He had a proper No.10 on the bench which he bought. While NJ has made it clear that he wants 2 players for every position, this may actually invite more selfish play It possibly encourages a player to avoid working alongside team mates as they try to impress In fact a good team display is exactly what we need, which doesn’t necessarily mean the best 11 individuals Interesting selection / combination for tomorrow? I would go the same as what someone always put on the Leeds thread of the most hard nosed team we could put out - Collins, Lindsay, Batth (tell him to stay back and defend), Edwards, Cousins, Duffy, McClean and Gregory. Basically I think he needs to find and built the ugliest bus he can muster and park it and get Gregory to try to put some pressure on their keeper who is the only one who is capable of making a more spectacular error than Butland. I don’t think there’s any other way to come out of it with a bit of dignity and we all know a unifying warrior performance like 10 men v Derby last year gets the crowd onside.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 23, 2019 8:50:13 GMT
While NJ has made it clear that he wants 2 players for every position, this may actually invite more selfish play It possibly encourages a player to avoid working alongside team mates as they try to impress In fact a good team display is exactly what we need, which doesn’t necessarily mean the best 11 individuals Interesting selection / combination for tomorrow? I would go the same as what someone always put on the Leeds thread of the most hard nosed team we could put out - Collins, Lindsay, Batth (tell him to stay back and defend), Edwards, Cousins, Duffy, McClean and Gregory. Basically I think he needs to find and built the ugliest bus he can muster and park it and get Gregory to try to put some pressure on their keeper who is the only one who is capable of making a more spectacular error than Butland. I don’t think there’s any other way to come out of it with a bit of dignity and we all know a unifying warrior performance like 10 men v Derby last year gets the crowd onside. Important that we keep 11 Stoke players on the pitch , a few rash challenges early on won’t help our cause
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 8:51:52 GMT
I would go the same as what someone always put on the Leeds thread of the most hard nosed team we could put out - Collins, Lindsay, Batth (tell him to stay back and defend), Edwards, Cousins, Duffy, McClean and Gregory. Basically I think he needs to find and built the ugliest bus he can muster and park it and get Gregory to try to put some pressure on their keeper who is the only one who is capable of making a more spectacular error than Butland. I don’t think there’s any other way to come out of it with a bit of dignity and we all know a unifying warrior performance like 10 men v Derby last year gets the crowd onside. Important that we keep 11 Stoke players on the pitch , a few rash challenges early on won’t help our cause Yes ... I wasn't suggesting one of them get sent off! Just pointing to that as the type of resilient performance I think we need!
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Post by jeycov on Aug 23, 2019 9:34:12 GMT
Important that we keep 11 Stoke players on the pitch , a few rash challenges early on won’t help our cause Yes ... I wasn't suggesting one of them get sent off! Just pointing to that as the type of resilient performance I think we need! Completely agree Just a few potentially volatile players in the mix who may try too hard Even the Leeds players will sense this
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 23, 2019 9:37:17 GMT
Ince is a very selfish player which is why he doesn’t make a good number No.10. I’m not saying he’s not talented but he will always go for glory himself and one of those chances Hogan was free and Ince wasn’t in the best position and he still went for it. He had a proper No.10 on the bench which he bought. in 38 games last season Ince managed 7 assists, The season before for Huddersfield in the prem he played 33 scored 2 and provided 0 assists if you go back further it gets no better.. tells us exactly what we need to know... It does get better if you go back further?
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 23, 2019 9:45:15 GMT
In some ways you are correct. Ince had 4 opportunities to test their keeper and hit it over each time. He missed a sitter from 2 yards out (not seen criticism of that which was akin to Jack's mistakes), we had one cleared off the line and scored. Collins also skewed a very good chance wide. We were really poor once they scored but we gifted them 3 goals and dont recall them doing anything else. With some resilience, we could have walked away from the game winning 1-0 having turned in our worst performance of the season. We are where we are though. We are staring down the barrel and the manager is rightly under huge scrutiny and pressure. Baath, Allen and butland simply cannot start on Saturday. He needs to be brave and make the decisions that need making Ince is a very selfish player which is why he doesn’t make a good number No.10. I’m not saying he’s not talented but he will always go for glory himself and one of those chances Hogan was free and Ince wasn’t in the best position and he still went for it. He had a proper No.10 on the bench which he bought. Absolutely agree, you hit the nail on the head. I'd add that he is very one footed which also limits his ability to quickly distribute and put someone in on goal, because he often has to change foot. But I think his selfishness in the prime reason he has so few assists. I'm not saying his is not a talented footballer, he has ball skills, can beat a man, and can score some brilliant shots, but he a jigsaw piece that is very difficult for a manager to sit into any team, which is maybe why he has moved on from so many clubs, nearly 10 now isn't it?
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Aug 23, 2019 12:21:18 GMT
in 38 games last season Ince managed 7 assists, The season before for Huddersfield in the prem he played 33 scored 2 and provided 0 assists if you go back further it gets no better.. tells us exactly what we need to know... It does get better if you go back further? Per game ratio it doesnt in the 15/16 season he played 44 games and got 8 assists....
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 23, 2019 13:48:37 GMT
It does get better if you go back further? Per game ratio it doesnt in the 15/16 season he played 44 games and got 8 assists.... (and scored 12 goals, 14 in all competitions...) I’m sure you were getting to that though.
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Aug 23, 2019 16:40:34 GMT
Per game ratio it doesnt in the 15/16 season he played 44 games and got 8 assists.... (and scored 12 goals, 14 in all competitions...) I’m sure you were getting to that though. No but we can get straight to... you completeley missed the point of this if you like ???? It was regarding the fact as stated by another poster that he wouldnt make a good number 10 because he is too selfish,,, As u can see by my reply Assists was more what we were getting at.. How the hell could he make a good number 10 when he IS too selfish and he doesnt get enough success from his crosses into the box as shown by his playing history to date sooo if your response is purely based on the 2 goals part that i used in my reply,,,, Well done but no cigar on this occassion ....... ........
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Aug 23, 2019 16:44:10 GMT
(and scored 12 goals, 14 in all competitions...) I’m sure you were getting to that though. No but we can get straight to... you completeley missed the point of this if you like ???? It was regarding the fact as stated by another poster that he wouldnt make a good number 10 because he is too selfish,,, As u can see by my reply Assists was more what we were getting at.. How the hell could he make a good number 10 when he IS too selfish and he doesnt get enough success from his crosses into the box as shown by his playing history to date sooo if your response is purely based on the 2 goals part that i used to fluff up the fact that he'd got no assists in my reply,,,, Well done but no cigar on this occassion ....... ........
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 23, 2019 16:47:35 GMT
(and scored 12 goals, 14 in all competitions...) I’m sure you were getting to that though. No but we can get straight to... you completeley missed the point of this if you like ???? It was regarding the fact as stated by another poster that he wouldnt make a good number 10 because he is too selfish,,, As u can see by my reply Assists was more what we were getting at.. How the hell could he make a good number 10 when he IS too selfish and he doesnt get enough success from his crosses into the box as shown by his playing history to date sooo if your response is purely based on the 2 goals part that i used in my reply,,,, Well done but no cigar on this occassion ....... ........ Why mention the two goals in one post but not the 14 in another? It’s almost as if you knew it hurt your argument...
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Aug 23, 2019 16:51:17 GMT
No but we can get straight to... you completeley missed the point of this if you like ???? It was regarding the fact as stated by another poster that he wouldnt make a good number 10 because he is too selfish,,, As u can see by my reply Assists was more what we were getting at.. How the hell could he make a good number 10 when he IS too selfish and he doesnt get enough success from his crosses into the box as shown by his playing history to date sooo if your response is purely based on the 2 goals part that i used in my reply,,,, Well done but no cigar on this occassion ....... ........ Why mention the two goals in one post but not the 14 in another? It’s almost as if you knew it hurt your argument... Again u missed the point ASSISTS ... You can talk bollocks and create things that aren't there until the cows come home .... And my arguement i think its clear who the guilty party is there ..... Need to take them massive blinkers you wear off mate......
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 23, 2019 16:55:15 GMT
Why mention the two goals in one post but not the 14 in another? It’s almost as if you knew it hurt your argument... Again u missed the point ASSISTS ... You can talk bollocks and create things that aren't there until the cows come home .... And my arguement i think its clear who the guilty party is there ..... Need to take them massive blinkers you wear off mate...... You omitted stats that didn’t suit you and you were called on it. Blinkers don’t come into it. Incidentally, eight assists in a season isn’t bad.
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Post by neilb987 on Aug 23, 2019 17:02:04 GMT
I would forgive Ince at least some of his selfishness (and occasional idleness) if he could only shoot straight! His shots on target / total shots ratio must be poor?
Number 10 is a key position in a 'Diamond' where it is more important to show good vision, be a creative passer and provide assists rather than goals (which are a bonus!)
Despite Ince actually working at this role, I still think a specialist like Duffy would be better there.
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