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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 23, 2019 7:30:52 GMT
He's not in charge anymore so why is PC getting the flack. It highlights.the lack of knowledge of some who purport to support SCFC. It’s school holidays as well
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Post by Gods on Aug 23, 2019 7:33:14 GMT
He's not in charge anymore so why is PC getting the flack. Yes the Rowett and Nathan appointments were officially announced with pictures of handshakes and smiles with John Coates and Tony Scholes. I remember because Scholesy wore the same shirt for both :-) I don't recall Paul Lambert even getting a welcome picture, perhaps we knew he wouldn't be around for long.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 7:43:26 GMT
There can't be more than a handful of clubs that have had more money pumped into the playing side over the last 10 or 11 years than us.... it's just been spent badly
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 23, 2019 7:46:13 GMT
Mr Coates stepped back some tome ago , a new broom or brooms are running the club , picking managers , running the process , presumably what’s pissing him off is those he trusted have destroyed the legacy , Hence the reluctance to change , he will know better than anyone when the rot set in and what caused it ,doing something about it much more difficult than sacking another manager Your first statement is 100 per cent wrong, he is in charge and involved every day
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Aug 23, 2019 8:02:46 GMT
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Post by Fred Ferret on Aug 23, 2019 8:02:46 GMT
I think our Marketing/PR department will have to wheel Father Coates out some time next week to do the media rounds and offer up a 'steadier' to the fan base if we don't beat Leeds. The usual kind of thing, he knows the drill: 1.Results haven't matched performances. 2.He feels our pain and is as frustrated as us. 3.We invested in a whole new team in the summer when we can't sell the old one. 4.Jack is a fine young man and will come good. 5.We still believe in Nath for the same reasons we hired him. 6.They say the darkest hour comes right before the dawn. 7.Hang in there folks. Something like that anyway. We were all seething on Wed night. But, if you don't hold steady, and keep working at getting it right, we will all spiral down into the abyss. The 3 games before the utter debacle the other night, the team played well and worked hard - we were unlucky but needed to be more clinical. Most on here were appreciative of the direction the team were going. The performance could herald a wake-up, it may not. Whatever, everyone needs to show some bollocks over the next few games. Baying fans will achieve nothing - the players and management know only too well the situation. Points 1 to 7 above, at the moment, are not unreasonable. For the the Jellyleg wobblers out there, take a stiffener and feel free to sound off.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 23, 2019 8:05:04 GMT
Mr Coates stepped back some tome ago , a new broom or brooms are running the club , picking managers , running the process , presumably what’s pissing him off is those he trusted have destroyed the legacy , Hence the reluctance to change , he will know better than anyone when the rot set in and what caused it ,doing something about it much more difficult than sacking another manager Your first statement is 100 per cent wrong, he is in charge and involved every day He's the Chairman still but the decisions are not his, he's consulted but John is in charge.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 23, 2019 8:52:17 GMT
Your first statement is 100 per cent wrong, he is in charge and involved every day He's the Chairman still but the decisions are not his, he's consulted but John is in charge. Yes, this is a rare occasion when I agree with Benjie. Coates, as Chairman, remains the public face of the club - but the decision making is mostly out of his hands. He will have input - but the ultimate decisions will be taken by his son and other directors of the club and of bet365.
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Post by mamasgloves on Aug 23, 2019 9:43:43 GMT
He’s obviously handed the reigns over years ago and look where that’s got us. I heard from a very reliable ex player a number of years ago what the plans for the future were and, well. The biggest problem being that myself included we pretty much believe what we listen to from the likes of Rowett and now this incompetent village idiot Jones hoping that the next match will be the turning point and put up with it. 4/24 is patience beyond belief with awful, awful football, little if any knowledge of this division from Jones. It’s been said before that these are all Jones signings, sorry but I’m not buying this, there’s obviously a contributing factor still meddling behind the scenes as most of Jones signings don’t fit into his team and most of them are now benched. Overall this is a shocking example of ineptness of the highest order from the owners and we deserve exactly what we’re getting. No meddling behind the scenes anymore - Coates Jr allowed Rowett to bypass the process and that has now become the norm, why do you think Cartwright walked? Jones' targets are all his, they're just shite. Look at the fullback situation when he has repeatedly said it is the most important role in the diamond.
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Post by sergeifaye on Aug 23, 2019 12:09:35 GMT
He’s obviously handed the reigns over years ago and look where that’s got us. I heard from a very reliable ex player a number of years ago what the plans for the future were and, well. The biggest problem being that myself included we pretty much believe what we listen to from the likes of Rowett and now this incompetent village idiot Jones hoping that the next match will be the turning point and put up with it. 4/24 is patience beyond belief with awful, awful football, little if any knowledge of this division from Jones. It’s been said before that these are all Jones signings, sorry but I’m not buying this, there’s obviously a contributing factor still meddling behind the scenes as most of Jones signings don’t fit into his team and most of them are now benched. Overall this is a shocking example of ineptness of the highest order from the owners and we deserve exactly what we’re getting. I was under the impression he took a back seat and when I was hearing that it seemed to coincide with the beginning of the end.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 23, 2019 12:15:54 GMT
We have good owners. They've invested.
They're mistake is simply they've put their faith in the wrong people
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 12:16:51 GMT
We have good owners. They've invested. They're mistake is simply they've put their faith in the wrong people And one of those has been his own son...
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Aug 23, 2019 12:19:31 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Aug 23, 2019 12:19:31 GMT
We have good owners. They've invested. They're mistake is simply they've put their faith in the wrong people And one of those has been his own son... What, for picking two managers that went against going for dinosaurs? Rowett many on here wanted. Then they've chosen someone young with back to back promotions and out scoring most of Europe along the way. No mistake for me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 12:21:58 GMT
And one of those has been his own son... What, for picking two managers that went against going for dinosaurs? Rowett many on here wanted. Then they've chosen someone young with back to back promotions and out scoring most of Europe along the way. No mistake for me. Yep sorry - my mistake. We've wasted around £60/65m in the last year, have a 13 per cent. win record and are sat at the bottom of the Championship. What a fabulous job! It might have been a better idea to appoint someone who actual seems to have a fucking clue of what they are doing rather than be like well this guy scored a lot of goals in League One and Two?
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Aug 23, 2019 12:22:34 GMT
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Post by mamasgloves on Aug 23, 2019 12:22:34 GMT
And one of those has been his own son... What, for picking two managers that went against going for dinosaurs? Rowett many on here wanted. Then they've chosen someone young with back to back promotions and out scoring most of Europe along the way. No mistake for me. I'd settle for just outscoring the opposition every once in a while nevermind Europe
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Post by dreamtheater on Aug 23, 2019 12:24:08 GMT
Looks like hes just noticed a big fat turd floating in the corner of his estates indoor swimming pool
very funny
and - you keep incompetents in charge and, in key positions overseeing your club -- this is what you get !
wasted journey to Preston and no doubt, ridicule in their boardroom post match.
Thats if, he didnt scuttle off ten minutes from the end .
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Post by mcw on Aug 23, 2019 12:47:48 GMT
Just as a matter of interest, who would you want as the club owners? I don't think we could get anybody better than the Coates family, despite what is happening now. I've heard this so many times over the last 3 years. It sounds like a wife who has been beaten by her husband so many times she is making excuses not to leave him because she doesnt have the energy or will power. Sadly, although I do think 3 years ago we could have transitioned to a more ambitious owner who could have had us pushing that top half of the Prem table, now we are totally untouchable, who would want to buy into this shower and this financial situation the club has stupidly contracted themselves to. Everything in life is transitory, we have benefited from having somebody who is a local fan have an amazing amount of success business wise. In all honesty we have to thank Denise Coates, she took some money from her father to start Bet365 and that led to a position where when Peter Coates came back on board he had the millions and millions of profit from a gambling business to put into the club v the few quid from pies and back street bookies from the first foray. I can think of very few success stories for a middle tier club (crowds of circa 20k to 30k with similar ground capacity) where foreign owners have taken over and pushed the club to somewhere it should not be. Everything returns to the mean in the due course of time. We did not necessarily over achieve for 10 years, but we were in a pool of similar clubs happy to be basking in the riches of the premier league whilst it lasted. We are currently one of a large number of similarly sized clubs who feel they should be pushing to get back up there. The only clubs, barring a disaster, who will remain in the Prem permanently are those with a big enough fan base, stadium and global appeal which means that they are attractive to the mega rich investor for vanity reasons. We will never be in that bracket and the question I ask myself is if the Coates family were to walk away (and this applied even in the Prem days) then who would come in that would be as invested and willing to spend as much as they have done?
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Post by bagnallboothen on Aug 23, 2019 13:02:50 GMT
The disrespect shown on this board to a family that have bank rolled this club is unbelievable.
Just because you're billionaires doesn't make it compulosry to fund a football club and it doesn't mean you don't make mistakes. Sadly they put their faith in Hughes (for too long) and then Rowett. The mess those 2 left is a long fix. Hopefully they stay with us and see us through the mess, if not we may not have a club to support at all.
I'm sure if someone makes an acceptable bid (is the club actually worth anything given the debt?) and has the finances to fund us for a reasonable amount of time, they will be off. Until that time I'd be thankful they're still around.
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Aug 23, 2019 13:09:26 GMT
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Post by stokeykez on Aug 23, 2019 13:09:26 GMT
Not a chance that the coates family will sack another manager, instead we will bumble along with the excuses that we've had to deal with relegation, failed managers and players who didnt want to he here. The appalling record of Jones stone career will be fluffed and swept under the carpet as unimportant because of the amount of work hes done trying to shift the shit from last season.
I really dont know how this will end because ultimately keeping a failing manager will only keep fa s away, people have taken all the can at the moment and with no shifting sand it will manifest in utter fan apathy. It's ok Jones keep saying we need the fans more than ever, we as fans need the players more than ever and we are not getting it.
As for the coates , they've been great owners but in the last 18 months of prem life I felt as though the handbrake was firmly applied which ultimately started the wheelspin in relegation. Bad purchases burned the fingers a little and now there are years of reluctant minimal investment ahead
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Aug 23, 2019 15:57:47 GMT
Just as a matter of interest, who would you want as the club owners? I don't think we could get anybody better than the Coates family, despite what is happening now. I've heard this so many times over the last 3 years. It sounds like a wife who has been beaten by her husband so many times she is making excuses not to leave him because she doesnt have the energy or will power. Sadly, although I do think 3 years ago we could have transitioned to a more ambitious owner who could have had us pushing that top half of the Prem table, now we are totally untouchable, who would want to buy into this shower and this financial situation the club has stupidly contracted themselves to. What a ridiculous comparison. They spent loads trying to keep us in the prem. Bad buys by Hughes were our downfall. Transitioned to who??
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Post by stokeson on Aug 23, 2019 16:08:38 GMT
Johns attempt to make an impact (with his best bud Cartwright ) may have doomed us to years in the wilderness. One good experienced championship/premiership appointment would keep us there about. We have now a top end div1 bottom of the championship squad. Its still not panned out but it looks bad.
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Post by jebbstuart on Aug 23, 2019 16:20:09 GMT
We are returning to where we were in 1989/90. Full circle. Just sell up before it turns toxic like last time.Mills Out!
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 23, 2019 16:24:41 GMT
The game moved on. Our club - Coates included - didn't. Recruitment moved on, fitness moved on, culture and psychology moved on. People employ experts, not their sons, like this is some sort of local corner shop being handed from dad to son. Nathan is nice, but the decision to appoint him was hapless.
Have noted before, three sorts of manager or Football Director experience get teams out of this division for the last 5 or so years. 1) Someone who brings experience of coaching in elite clubs or national set ups (Farke, Benitez, Wagner, Gil). 2) Someone who brings experience of having been promoted before (Jokanavic, Bruce, Warnock, Hughton). 3) Someone who has nurtured a lower league team and has a unique, intimate understanding of it (Howe, Wilder). Why would you not give yourself the best chance with a 1) or 2) - but employ a low grade PE teacher instead?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 16:34:03 GMT
Mr Coates stepped back some tome ago , a new broom or brooms are running the club , picking managers , running the process , presumably what’s pissing him off is those he trusted have destroyed the legacy , Hence the reluctance to change , he will know better than anyone when the rot set in and what caused it ,doing something about it much more difficult than sacking another manager Your first statement is 100 per cent wrong, he is in charge and involved every day I was speaking to an ex football league chairman on Monday who still keeps tabs on the footballing world and he’s friends with PC and the family ( he’s recently sold property to John ). He knows Peter and speaks to him regularly and he confirmed John was running the show now and had been for a year or two. Peter takes a back seat (semi retirement if you like) and only acts in an advisory capacity to John. PCs not gone yet but the reins are in Johns control.
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Post by christhepotter on Aug 23, 2019 18:18:26 GMT
Anyone criticising Coates snr or Coates jnr ( and yes there’s been huge mistakes ) , where are we going get another multi billionaire owner ???
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Post by loosestools on Aug 23, 2019 18:49:54 GMT
I am happy with the Coates family - warts and all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 19:29:30 GMT
I am happy with the Coates family - warts and all. I am happy with them owning the club. I am not happy with Jon and Tony, dumb and dumber, concocting ever more idiotic ideas between themselves. If Jons going to do it he needs a proper football man alongside him. And he needs to stop going off recommendations he’s given in a pub.
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Aug 23, 2019 21:05:47 GMT
Post by rickyfullerbeer on Aug 23, 2019 21:05:47 GMT
Went for a cheap manager he bought in cheap players that's where we are I've heard something a little concerning today in regards to the international expansion and licensing of bet365 and the potential fall out for Stoke City's future. It might be nothing but it makes sense.
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Aug 23, 2019 21:07:46 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 21:07:46 GMT
Went for a cheap manager he bought in cheap players that's where we are I've heard something a little concerning today in regards to the international expansion and licensing of bet365 and the potential fall out for Stoke City's future. It might be nothing but it makes sense. I am very pleased for you. Well done.
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Aug 23, 2019 21:09:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 21:09:21 GMT
Went for a cheap manager he bought in cheap players that's where we are I've heard something a little concerning today in regards to the international expansion and licensing of bet365 and the potential fall out for Stoke City's future. It might be nothing but it makes sense. Explain yourself then? Considering FFP doesn’t tallow them to put loads of money in I can’t see how Bet365 affects anything.
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Post by datguy on Aug 23, 2019 21:13:20 GMT
Bollocks.
He went for the most up and coming manager in the football league - why wasn't it criticised for being cheap in January rather than now?
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