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Post by Block 22 on Aug 23, 2019 11:50:23 GMT
Another dogshit thread about formations and statistics and diamonds and -how they are different from 4.4.2 if you play the 'diamond' just play a simple 4.4.2, where players actually know where they are supposed to be on the blinking pitch both going forwards and in reverse and we might actually get somewhere Weve currently got dullard lumbering championship players - without much raw talent anyways, being coached to try to play like Brazil or Real Madrid or Bayern Munich or even Manchester City. SIMPLE OUTCOME = THEY CANT AND Sometimes players who are right footed playing on the left and, vice versa ( another modern sophistication thats seems good but basically means such players cannot really function doing their primary job even more dogshit . Its SIMPLE game ------ again ! Ps goalkeepers who cant stop simple routine shots fired pretty much straight at them -- does not help either mind. For all of your ill informed opinions above we have still performed well enough in 2 out of 4 games to have 6 points on the board. The system hasn’t cost us, the finer details have.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 11:53:30 GMT
No but nor do you put bicycle tyres on the car and wonder why they are punctured... Do you have a reasoned debate and put your point across about “how the formation” has cost us results this season? Or, how exactly the formation isn’t working? Looking at results is a very, very short sighted reasoning when you take the full context into account. Yes it's on many threads and many others have made it. I'm not just looking at results I'm looking at the gaps that are there when we're on the pitch. I'm looking at gaps in the the squad in key positions needed for that system to work. I'm looking at the lack of pace we have in a system that demands place. You can't blame your tools for a bad job when you've failed to procure the correct tools for that job.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 11:54:10 GMT
Another dogshit thread about formations and statistics and diamonds and -how they are different from 4.4.2 if you play the 'diamond' just play a simple 4.4.2, where players actually know where they are supposed to be on the blinking pitch both going forwards and in reverse and we might actually get somewhere Weve currently got dullard lumbering championship players - without much raw talent anyways, being coached to try to play like Brazil or Real Madrid or Bayern Munich or even Manchester City. SIMPLE OUTCOME = THEY CANT AND Sometimes players who are right footed playing on the left and, vice versa ( another modern sophistication thats seems good but basically means such players cannot really function doing their primary job even more dogshit . Its SIMPLE game ------ again ! Ps goalkeepers who cant stop simple routine shots fired pretty much straight at them -- does not help either mind. For all of your ill informed opinions above we have still performed well enough in 2 out of 4 games to have 6 points on the board. The system hasn’t cost us, the finer details have. We've got ONE point! Where have you got the other 5 from?
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 23, 2019 12:04:24 GMT
Do you have a reasoned debate and put your point across about “how the formation” has cost us results this season? Or, how exactly the formation isn’t working? Looking at results is a very, very short sighted reasoning when you take the full context into account. Yes it's on many threads and many others have made it. I'm not just looking at results I'm looking at the gaps that are there when we're on the pitch. I'm looking at gaps in the the squad in key positions needed for that system to work. I'm looking at the lack of pace we have in a system that demands place. You can't blame your tools for a bad job when you've failed to procure the correct tools for that job. Despite us being so bad we have had one of the fewest shots against us and created one of the highest number of clear cut chances.. A poor game against QPR and an abhorrent one against Preston. The other two IN TERMS OF PERFORMANCE have been as good as anything we’ve seen since relegation. We got rid of Gary Rowett because he was too beige and his football was boring to watch, now we want to attack in numbers but be as resolute as a rock. It doesn’t work that way, we are clearly trying to put teams to the sword by scoring enough goals to kill games. For all of our BAD DEFENDING. I can only think of 3 times in 4 games that we have been cut open and exposed. It is being made out that every attack we look vulnerable, that is simply not true. All of the other goals against have been stupid mistakes. I am admitting that the results have not been good enough but it is not the system or the formation. Individual errors have cost us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 12:07:51 GMT
Yes it's on many threads and many others have made it. I'm not just looking at results I'm looking at the gaps that are there when we're on the pitch. I'm looking at gaps in the the squad in key positions needed for that system to work. I'm looking at the lack of pace we have in a system that demands place. You can't blame your tools for a bad job when you've failed to procure the correct tools for that job. Despite us being so bad we have had one of the fewest shots against us and created one of the highest number of clear cut chances.. A poor game against QPR and an abhorrent one against Preston. The other two IN TERMS OF PERFORMANCE have been as good as anything we’ve seen since relegation. We got rid of Gary Rowett because he was too beige and his football was boring to watch, now we want to attack in numbers but be as resolute as a rock. It doesn’t work that way, we are clearly trying to put teams to the sword by scoring enough goals to kill games. For all of our BAD DEFENDING. I can only think of 3 times in 4 games that we have been cut open and exposed. It is being made out that every attack we look vulnerable, that is simply not true. All of the other goals against have been stupid mistakes. I am admitting that the results have not been good enough but it is not the system or the formation. Individual errors have cost us. It's pretty when it works going forward but we're at the bottom of the table and Jones' win rate is relegation form. Coupled with a very easy start to the season. Wait until we play Leeds, West Brom, Fulham and not a team that's going to just sit back and wait for us to make a mistake. Then we'll see how wide open we really are.
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 23, 2019 12:20:53 GMT
Despite us being so bad we have had one of the fewest shots against us and created one of the highest number of clear cut chances.. A poor game against QPR and an abhorrent one against Preston. The other two IN TERMS OF PERFORMANCE have been as good as anything we’ve seen since relegation. We got rid of Gary Rowett because he was too beige and his football was boring to watch, now we want to attack in numbers but be as resolute as a rock. It doesn’t work that way, we are clearly trying to put teams to the sword by scoring enough goals to kill games. For all of our BAD DEFENDING. I can only think of 3 times in 4 games that we have been cut open and exposed. It is being made out that every attack we look vulnerable, that is simply not true. All of the other goals against have been stupid mistakes. I am admitting that the results have not been good enough but it is not the system or the formation. Individual errors have cost us. It's pretty when it works going forward but we're at the bottom of the table and Jones' win rate is relegation form. Coupled with a very easy start to the season. Wait until we play Leeds, West Brom, Fulham and not a team that's going to just sit back and wait for us to make a mistake. Then we'll see how wide open we really are. The stats say that we don’t concede many expected goal scoring opportunities. We are letting people score from nothing through stupid mistakes! The table does not lie in terms of results. I would rather that we persevere with this formation and system that is very close to bringing good results than change to a pragmatic style of play and be bored to tears trying to hold onto 0-0’s away from home and 1-0’s at home like in the Pulis era.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 12:23:55 GMT
It's pretty when it works going forward but we're at the bottom of the table and Jones' win rate is relegation form. Coupled with a very easy start to the season. Wait until we play Leeds, West Brom, Fulham and not a team that's going to just sit back and wait for us to make a mistake. Then we'll see how wide open we really are. The stats say that we don’t concede many expected goal scoring opportunities. We are letting people score from nothing through stupid mistakes! The table does not lie in terms of results. I would rather that we persevere with this formation and system that is very close to bringing good results than change to a pragmatic style of play and be bored to tears trying to hold onto 0-0’s away from home and 1-0’s at home like in the Pulis era. I would rather not be relegated. A 1-0 or even a 0-0 wouldn't go amiss now again.
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Aug 23, 2019 12:26:10 GMT
Where's Mike Bassett when you need him?
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 23, 2019 12:28:55 GMT
Where's Mike Bassett when you need him? The Oatcake is full of them. Anything other than a formation from the 80’s and 2 banks of 4 is out of the question.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 23, 2019 13:45:33 GMT
It isn't the formation - it's stupid mistakes in front of goal, defenders not doing the simple things and a goalkeeper who on current forn shouldn't be playing park football. How does playing 442 stop Butland playing like Coco the Clown?
You can blame Jones for not getting the players in the right frame of mind - but at the end of the day that's the responsibility of the player - but blaming results on the formation is missing the point entirely.
If Jones has anything about him he'll stick to his preferred formation and drop the players who are not delivering. Starting with Butland.
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