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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 31, 2019 19:09:28 GMT
Tin hat on, but I feel a bit sorry for Jones. He’s had fuck all luck, how does he legislate for Butland errors, Allen’s misses. I think you need skill, know how and luck and Nathan jones just isn't the right man His luck has been shite but constant changes aren't helping. The last 3 or 4 games have been that of a nearly defeated man, changing systems and players trying to find some sort of magic formula. If he had stuck with his diamond and let the players adjust he would probably have got a win, now it's all getting confusing. He's now trying too hard rather than sticking to what the players spent all pre-season working on. Strangely we are statistically still doing enough to win games despite the changes so the ability is there. Is it our defensive coach? We seem to have nearly everything in place to win games but we are far too easy to score against. If we were getting clean sheets we would be the other end of the table. Jones probably has a weak link within his group of staff so a change there maybe better than a change of manager.
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 31, 2019 19:15:19 GMT
Tin hat on, but I feel a bit sorry for Jones. He’s had fuck all luck, how does he legislate for Butland errors, Allen’s misses. I think you need skill, know how and luck and Nathan jones just isn't the right man His luck has been shite but constant changes aren't helping. The last 3 or 4 games have been that of a nearly defeated man, changing systems and players trying to find some sort of magic formula. If he had stuck with his diamond and let the players adjust he would probably have got a win, now it's all getting confusing. He's now trying too hard rather than sticking to what the players spent all pre-season working on. Strangely we are statistically still doing enough to win games despite the changes so the ability is there. Is it our defensive coach? We seem to have nearly everything in place to win games but we are far too easy to score against. If we were getting clean sheets we would be the other end of the table. Jones probably has a weak link within his group of staff so a change there maybe better than a change of manager. yep hard to disagree with that I also think we’ve way too many players, Carter/Vickers, Cousins, Duffy, Gregory or Hogan, Smith...... we didn’t need them I think he is trying to keep too many players happy but in his efforts has kept nobody happy. Biesla said he needed 14 players plus good youths, i personally don’t think that’s enough but if we had 18 ish that would be more than enough in my opinion, it worked for Pulis
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 19:18:34 GMT
It’s not narrow minded or negative to suggest he might want to sit on his Premier League salary, have a break, and see how things pan out between now Xmas.... Which PL club do you see as imminently trying to lure him? Watford, Palace, those types of club. But I didn’t necessarily mean a Premier league team, plenty of Championship clubs not rooted to the bottom of the table. Some of the clubs won’t be “imminently trying to lure him” as they may not have hit the run of form to get the previous manager sacked yet. If we sack Jones and he comes great, my gut feeling is he won’t.l and we’ll end up with Monk........
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 31, 2019 19:22:09 GMT
Which PL club do you see as imminently trying to lure him? Watford, Palace, those types of club. But I didn’t necessarily mean a Premier league team, plenty of Championship clubs not rooted to the bottom of the table. Some of the clubs won’t be “imminently trying to lure him” as they may not have hit the run of form to get the previous manager sacked yet. If we sack Jones and he comes great, my gut feeling is he won’t.l and we’ll end up with Monk........ I think those stories about Monk and his agent mate will create enough noise to mean we won't consider him? He'd probably be up there without that though
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 19:23:59 GMT
Watford, Palace, those types of club. But I didn’t necessarily mean a Premier league team, plenty of Championship clubs not rooted to the bottom of the table. Some of the clubs won’t be “imminently trying to lure him” as they may not have hit the run of form to get the previous manager sacked yet. If we sack Jones and he comes great, my gut feeling is he won’t.l and we’ll end up with Monk........ I think those stories about Monk and his agent mate will create enough noise to mean we won't consider him? Maybe so mate. We generally start with a list and end up crossing most of the names off though so who knows?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 19:26:24 GMT
What has Gary Monk done to even warrant consideration?
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Post by wuzza on Aug 31, 2019 19:28:21 GMT
If Hughton wasn't interested, I genuinely have NO idea..... Would Alex Neil come? For the same reason as Jones probably did - lifetimes financial security .... how ever things turn out.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 31, 2019 19:30:20 GMT
What has Gary Monk done to even warrant consideration? At this stage Gary Monk probably wouldn’t touch us with a barge pole...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 19:31:49 GMT
What has Gary Monk done to even warrant consideration? At this stage Gary Monk probably wouldn’t touch us with a barge pole... Good. Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t he have a similar amount to Rowett to spend at Boro and he messed it up and they replaced him with Pulis? He’s not been at any job for more than a year since Swansea. Wreaks of making the same mistake again.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 31, 2019 19:32:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 19:35:21 GMT
Yeah when you look at it like that! But not when you look at the clubs, funds he was given and reasons why he was sacked and who is was replaced with.
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Post by serpico on Aug 31, 2019 19:36:47 GMT
Id go down the list in this order
Allardyce (outside chance he’d come but I think he’d suit stoke down to the ground) Moyes (recently said he’s desperate to get back into management) Hughton TP
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Post by madeleyite on Aug 31, 2019 19:38:59 GMT
He goes Monday morning, surely! Gone, no arguments. Quite liked the guy, but that's showbiz.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 31, 2019 19:44:21 GMT
Id go down the list in this order Allardyce (outside chance he’d come but I think he’d suit stoke down to the ground) Moyes (recently said he’s desperate to get back into management) Hughton TP I don't think these players would suit Pulis's style at all. What we'd gain at the back, we would lose up front.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 31, 2019 19:44:45 GMT
What has Gary Monk done to even warrant consideration? I quite like monk. Him hughton and I do like alex neil.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 31, 2019 19:44:58 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 31, 2019 19:45:06 GMT
Yeah when you look at it like that! But not when you look at the clubs, funds he was given and reasons why he was sacked and who is was replaced with. It's certainly a mixed bag - in terms of the type of football his teams play too. Birmingham were very agricultural! But it looked like the Birmingham job was seeing his reputation head in the right direction again before the odd, slightly murky end. And the fact he's clubless would have counted in his favour. He's the type I could see certainly Coates senior liking, and considering - but not with the agent mate talk. Also wouldn't help that he's about as instantly likeable as a dose of diarrhea. There's loads I'd take ahead of him, but I don't know how realistic they are.
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Post by stokie1 on Aug 31, 2019 19:45:49 GMT
Id go down the list in this order Allardyce (outside chance he’d come but I think he’d suit stoke down to the ground) Moyes (recently said he’s desperate to get back into management) Hughton TP I’d take that list in reverse order!
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Post by cheadlepotter on Aug 31, 2019 19:46:20 GMT
To be fair anyone who doesn’t pick a team using Ray Von’s bingo machine is an improvement.
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 31, 2019 19:47:02 GMT
Coatesy always likes to sleep on these decisions.
i hope he has nightmares about our defending tonight and sacks him as soon as he wakes up in the morning.
Expect it'll be Monday before we hear anything (and chances are we'll sound out a successor first), but I would be amazed if he's still in the job by next weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 19:48:13 GMT
Coatesy always likes to sleep on these decisions. i hope he has nightmares about our defending tonight and sacks him as soon as he wakes up in the morning. Expect it'll be Monday before we hear anything (and chances are we'll sound out a successor first), but I would be amazed if he's still in the job by next weekend. Trousers, you're always my benchmark for sacking managers. When you wheel out the 'Black Mamba...axe axe axe' threads, I know it's time. I've yet to see one tonight.
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 31, 2019 19:50:17 GMT
Coatesy always likes to sleep on these decisions. i hope he has nightmares about our defending tonight and sacks him as soon as he wakes up in the morning. Expect it'll be Monday before we hear anything (and chances are we'll sound out a successor first), but I would be amazed if he's still in the job by next weekend. Trousers, you're always my benchmark for sacking managers. When you wheel out the 'Black Mamba...axe axe axe' threads, I know it's time. I've yet to see one tonight. I've been shielding Jonesy's farthole from the black mamba for long enough I'm afraid. Now I'm giving it Satnav directions straight up there.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 31, 2019 19:50:32 GMT
We have spunked so much money up the wall, we might as well go big and try to get big Sam in
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 19:50:37 GMT
What has Gary Monk done to even warrant consideration? I quite like monk. Him hughton and I do like alex neil. Why though? He’s done nothing. He’s lasted no longer than a year anywhere since Swansea. Boro backed him and he failed and I don’t know the ins and outs of it. It they appointed Pulis after they got rid of him so that smacks to me that they didn’t feel he was enough of an experienced head. We haven’t got the luxury of seeing what happens. We need an experienced steady head to stabilise and rebuild from the foundations. We are literally at a stage where we can’t defend and can’t pass a ball to another Stoke player.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 19:50:59 GMT
Trousers, you're always my benchmark for sacking managers. When you wheel out the 'Black Mamba...axe axe axe' threads, I know it's time. I've yet to see one tonight. I've been shielding Jonesy's farthole from the black mamba for long enough I'm afraid. Now I'm giving it Satnav directions straight up there. Damn. Is it time?
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 31, 2019 19:51:59 GMT
I've been shielding Jonesy's farthole from the black mamba for long enough I'm afraid. Now I'm giving it Satnav directions straight up there. Damn. Is it time? It was axe time last week for me. This week he should have been rogered with the mamba.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 31, 2019 19:52:59 GMT
As someone else posted there's no way TP will come back here while Scholes is here and we all know that Scholes isn't going anywhere.
My money is on a Hughton appointment some time in October.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Aug 31, 2019 19:53:45 GMT
Didn't realise Hughton was 60, thought he was much younger. Still probably the most realistic option from who's out there.
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 31, 2019 19:53:51 GMT
I must admit, I always have bad dreams about Alan Pardew at this stage.
Surely he wouldn't would he...?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2019 19:54:06 GMT
This week he should have been rogered with the mamba.
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