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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 9:34:04 GMT
If you were a Syrian refugee - and wanted to come to Britain to claim asylum - would you go on your own leaving your wife and kids in the relative safety of a Lebanese camp, or would you make things harder logistically/financially by all going? A valid point if they are genuine syraian refuges Surely it would be easier for them to claim asylum as soon as they enter a safe European country Then to risk a dangerous fraught crossing of the busiest shipping lane in the world In something one step up from a lilo And risking there lives leaving there children stranded in a camp in a strange country without a father Oh I'm almost forgot the money paid out to the scum that provide the boats etc wouldn't that be better spent on there families in the first safe country Existing family links, a language you already speak to help you get by, a small community of other people to get support from. There’s several reasons. I’m pretty sure £38 a week spending money and being incarcerated in a four star hotel aren’t two of them though......
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 11, 2020 9:34:38 GMT
If you were a Syrian refugee - and wanted to come to Britain to claim asylum - would you go on your own leaving your wife and kids in the relative safety of a Lebanese camp, or would you make things harder logistically/financially by all going? A valid point if they are genuine syraian refuges Surely it would be easier for them to claim asylum as soon as they enter a safe European country Then to risk a dangerous fraught crossing of the busiest shipping lane in the world In something one step up from a lilo And risking there lives leaving there children stranded in a camp in a strange country without a father Oh I'm almost forgot the money paid out to the scum that provide the boats etc wouldn't that be better spent on there families in the first safe country Seeing as many are coming from Pakistan, Somalia etc. it becomes a mute point anyway, but the rest is spot on if they are indeed genuine asylum seekers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 9:36:34 GMT
A valid point if they are genuine syraian refuges Surely it would be easier for them to claim asylum as soon as they enter a safe European country Then to risk a dangerous fraught crossing of the busiest shipping lane in the world In something one step up from a lilo And risking there lives leaving there children stranded in a camp in a strange country without a father Oh I'm almost forgot the money paid out to the scum that provide the boats etc wouldn't that be better spent on there families in the first safe country Seeing as many are coming from Pakistan, Somalia etc. it becomes a mute point anyway, but the rest is spot on if they are indeed genuine asylum seekers. Yep, it’s a mute point......
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 11, 2020 9:37:46 GMT
A valid point if they are genuine syraian refuges Surely it would be easier for them to claim asylum as soon as they enter a safe European country Then to risk a dangerous fraught crossing of the busiest shipping lane in the world In something one step up from a lilo And risking there lives leaving there children stranded in a camp in a strange country without a father Oh I'm almost forgot the money paid out to the scum that provide the boats etc wouldn't that be better spent on there families in the first safe country Existing family links, a language you already speak to help you get by, a small community of other people to get support from. There’s several reasons. I’m pretty sure £38 a week spending money and being incarcerated in a four star hotel aren’t two of them though...... Where have I mentioned £38 and any hotel
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 10:13:48 GMT
Existing family links, a language you already speak to help you get by, a small community of other people to get support from. There’s several reasons. I’m pretty sure £38 a week spending money and being incarcerated in a four star hotel aren’t two of them though...... Where have I mentioned £38 and any hotel You haven’t, others on here have that was all......
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 11, 2020 10:32:10 GMT
Existing family links, a language you already speak to help you get by, a small community of other people to get support from. There’s several reasons. I’m pretty sure £38 a week spending money and being incarcerated in a four star hotel aren’t two of them though...... Where have I mentioned £38 and any hotel It's £39 a week "pocket money" full board and lodgings for the foreseeable future in a 4* spa hotel for entering our country illegally, can you think of any other country where this would be going on ? many of these people are from the African continent or Pakistan not from the middle east, all have one thing in common they have "lost" their passports remarkable coincidence that.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 11, 2020 11:21:05 GMT
This is exactly why young men make the onward journey alone leaving their dependents behind. It is nothing to do with ISIS infiltration. So you and everybody else can guarantee that the thousands of dispersed isis fighters aren't busy infiltrating various western countries masquerading as asylum seekers Id be very interested in where you suggest these individuals are currently residing There are no guarantees in life. Only a fool would seek them.
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 11, 2020 11:30:17 GMT
Just embarrassing drivel.. Have you ever been to church? Mate, when you get accused of being ************** it means you've won. They're out of arguments. Congratulations What's he going on about??
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 11, 2020 11:33:57 GMT
Mate, when you get accused of being ************** it means you've won. They're out of arguments. Congratulations I'm a regular church goer not that I get the connection Right what do you suggest we do with all these migrants that arrive on shore Do we take there word for who they are and where they come from and there reasons for claiming asylum Do we hold them untill we can confirm there version of events Do you not find it slightly peculiar that when you see refugees flooding out of Syria Iraq ect they seem to be predominantly women children and the elderly Yet boat after boat they seem to be young males of fighting age How do we know who they are what there beliefs are How do we know what they intend to do once here Now I'm not suggesting that the majority of asylum seekers are anything but genuinely decent hard working individuals But in the current troubled times it would be quite easy to slip unknown isis (or there ilk) sleepers into the country Does this not worry you I'm genuinely interested in what you think we should do with or how we should treat these individuals Here he is Mr all lives matter. A good start would be to try and get it in your head that "these migrants" are people.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 11, 2020 11:49:28 GMT
I'm a regular church goer not that I get the connection Right what do you suggest we do with all these migrants that arrive on shore Do we take there word for who they are and where they come from and there reasons for claiming asylum Do we hold them untill we can confirm there version of events Do you not find it slightly peculiar that when you see refugees flooding out of Syria Iraq ect they seem to be predominantly women children and the elderly Yet boat after boat they seem to be young males of fighting age How do we know who they are what there beliefs are How do we know what they intend to do once here Now I'm not suggesting that the majority of asylum seekers are anything but genuinely decent hard working individuals But in the current troubled times it would be quite easy to slip unknown isis (or there ilk) sleepers into the country Does this not worry you I'm genuinely interested in what you think we should do with or how we should treat these individuals Here he is Mr all lives matter. A good start would be to try and get it in your head that "these migrants" are people. Where have I said they are not people Where have I said Im against immigration I'll give you a clue you will search a long time and find the Square root of sod all
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 11, 2020 11:56:04 GMT
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 11, 2020 12:14:40 GMT
Here he is Mr all lives matter. A good start would be to try and get it in your head that "these migrants" are people. Where have I said they are not people Where have I said Im against immigration I'll give you a clue you will search a long time and find the Square root of sod all When you go to church and they do the collection, do you make sure none of it's going abroad before you put your hand in your purse?
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 11, 2020 12:18:58 GMT
Where have I said they are not people Where have I said Im against immigration I'll give you a clue you will search a long time and find the Square root of sod all When you go to church and they do the collection, do you make sure none of it's going abroad before you put your hand in your purse? I am quite happy for any donation I make to be spent how cafod decide Any problem with that?
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 11, 2020 12:40:27 GMT
So you and everybody else can guarantee that the thousands of dispersed isis fighters aren't busy infiltrating various western countries masquerading as asylum seekers Id be very interested in where you suggest these individuals are currently residing There are no guarantees in life. Only a fool would seek them. "It is nothing to do with ISIS infiltration" only a fool would make that statement.
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 11, 2020 13:49:48 GMT
I'm a regular church goer not that I get the connection Right what do you suggest we do with all these migrants that arrive on shore Do we take there word for who they are and where they come from and there reasons for claiming asylum Do we hold them untill we can confirm there version of events Do you not find it slightly peculiar that when you see refugees flooding out of Syria Iraq ect they seem to be predominantly women children and the elderly Yet boat after boat they seem to be young males of fighting age How do we know who they are what there beliefs are How do we know what they intend to do once here Now I'm not suggesting that the majority of asylum seekers are anything but genuinely decent hard working individuals But in the current troubled times it would be quite easy to slip unknown isis (or there ilk) sleepers into the country Does this not worry you I'm genuinely interested in what you think we should do with or how we should treat these individuals Here he is Mr all lives matter. A good start would be to try and get it in your head that "these migrants" are people. Is that a racist quote im detecting with All Lives Matter , to make me understand better can you enlighten me on your journey to the U.K. and why
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 11, 2020 14:01:29 GMT
Mate, when you get accused of being ************** it means you've won. They're out of arguments. Congratulations What's he going on about?? What carps is trying to suggest is that you're a certain banned poster whose name is not allowed to be mentioned. He's doing this because he's not very bright and can't think of any other way to devalue your argument. According to various conspiracy theories on here, the man in question has run about 500 accounts on here over the past decade or whatever. And is amongst us every second of every day, posting in any number of different ways... Tell tale signs include use of italics, smileys and expression of left wing views. Purely coincidentally, it tends to be mostly any fucker they don't like the look of, and/or can't argue with
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Post by thevoid on Aug 11, 2020 14:09:37 GMT
What's he going on about?? What carps is trying to suggest is that you're a certain banned poster whose name is not allowed to be mentioned. He's doing this because he's not very bright and can't think of any other way to devalue your argument. According to various conspiracy theories on here, the man in question has run about 500 accounts on here over the past decade or whatever. And is amongst us every second of every day, posting in any number of different ways... Tell tale signs include use of italics, smileys and expression of left wing views. Purely coincidentally, it tends to be mostly any fucker they don't like the look of, and/or can't argue with Do you like Italo House, mate? 😎
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 15:19:35 GMT
What carps is trying to suggest is that you're a certain banned poster whose name is not allowed to be mentioned. He's doing this because he's not very bright and can't think of any other way to devalue your argument. According to various conspiracy theories on here, the man in question has run about 500 accounts on here over the past decade or whatever. And is amongst us every second of every day, posting in any number of different ways... Tell tale signs include use of italics, smileys and expression of left wing views. Purely coincidentally, it tends to be mostly any fucker they don't like the look of, and/or can't argue with Do you like Italo House, mate? 😎 He's more of a synthwave man 😎
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 11, 2020 15:31:01 GMT
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 11, 2020 15:33:16 GMT
Do you like Italo House, mate? 😎 He's more of a synthwave man 😎 Will you pair take your fucking shades off when you're indoors posting on the Oatie?! No one on earth thinks this place is remotely hip
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Post by vokeswagen on Aug 11, 2020 15:40:05 GMT
Mate, when you get accused of being ************** it means you've won. They're out of arguments. Congratulations I'm a regular church goer not that I get the connection Right what do you suggest we do with all these migrants that arrive on shore Do we take there word for who they are and where they come from and there reasons for claiming asylum Do we hold them untill we can confirm there version of events Do you not find it slightly peculiar that when you see refugees flooding out of Syria Iraq ect they seem to be predominantly women children and the elderly Yet boat after boat they seem to be young males of fighting age How do we know who they are what there beliefs are How do we know what they intend to do once here Now I'm not suggesting that the majority of asylum seekers are anything but genuinely decent hard working individuals But in the current troubled times it would be quite easy to slip unknown isis (or there ilk) sleepers into the country Does this not worry you I'm genuinely interested in what you think we should do with or how we should treat these individuals Wrong post mate, you need to quote the lad Wilko
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 11, 2020 17:01:31 GMT
This phrase "young males of fighting age" is fucking weird
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Post by hoffgreen on Aug 11, 2020 17:07:48 GMT
There has to be a limit though and as someone earlier said there has to be rules set in relation to employment and people being skilled to do a job when they come over. Right now the situation is being abused and where does it end? In a situation where the country is so overcrowded that there isn’t the infrastructure for health, housing, schooling, roads to support everyone. I’m all for helping others but it has to be measured and done in the right way and not through the back door where many of these people coming in are bought in and abused through modern slavery such is their vulnerability and low expectations. There has to be a limit. For what it’s worth I think your out of order comparing Wagas situation to what’s going on in the channel as its hugely different and you can’t compare the 2. I have worked directly with some of the younger asylum seekers and they’re a decent bunch with one or two exceptions. If you want to truly do your bit I do know that they’re always looking for host families to support the younger girls / boys and give them lodgings. You seem very passionate about giving them a chance so it could be a great opportunity for you to help out. I didn't know what his situation was, which is why I asked. I do my bit, got a 32 year old afgan (electrician) and a 30 year old Syrian (plasterer) working on jobs, supporting their families. One is renting and the other has managed to get a mortgage. Lovely hard working blokes, both have been through more than any of us can imagine. Just want to work, learn integrate and support themselves and their kids I know this might seem a novel idea but don't you think those skills would be better served being put to good use in the country's they've come from. If any two countries could use those skills right now its those two.
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Post by Gods on Aug 11, 2020 17:19:05 GMT
Must admit it would be nice to see a bit more totty among the delegation just to keep everyone's pecker up in these tough times :-)
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 11, 2020 17:19:55 GMT
I didn't know what his situation was, which is why I asked. I do my bit, got a 32 year old afgan (electrician) and a 30 year old Syrian (plasterer) working on jobs, supporting their families. One is renting and the other has managed to get a mortgage. Lovely hard working blokes, both have been through more than any of us can imagine. Just want to work, learn integrate and support themselves and their kids I know this might seem a novel idea but don't you think those skills would be better served being put to good use in the country's they've come from. If any two countries could use those skills right now its those two. After being beaten up and thrown in jail for having "unislamic hair" I think he'd rather wire up some lights in Westbury Park to honest pal
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 11, 2020 19:22:14 GMT
I know this might seem a novel idea but don't you think those skills would be better served being put to good use in the country's they've come from. If any two countries could use those skills right now its those two. After being beaten up and thrown in jail for having "unislamic hair" I think he'd rather wire up some lights in Westbury Park to honest pal Don’t they need electricians and plasterers in France or the other safe countries that they passed through to get here
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 11, 2020 19:36:19 GMT
After being beaten up and thrown in jail for having "unislamic hair" I think he'd rather wire up some lights in Westbury Park to honest pal Don’t they need electricians and plasterers in France or the other safe countries that they passed through to get here Trained as an electrician in this country. Can't you be happy for someone instead of trying to find reasons he should be somewhere else?
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 11, 2020 19:38:56 GMT
After being beaten up and thrown in jail for having "unislamic hair" I think he'd rather wire up some lights in Westbury Park to honest pal Don’t they need electricians and plasterers in France or the other safe countries that they passed through to get here You do know that you can get a flight from other countries to the UK without stopping in France don't you?
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 11, 2020 20:07:22 GMT
Todays influx of destitute families from the middle east:
Must admit it would be nice to see a bit more totty among the delegation just to keep everyone's pecker up in these tough times :-) What happened to social distancing
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 11, 2020 20:12:03 GMT
Don’t they need electricians and plasterers in France or the other safe countries that they passed through to get here Trained as an electrician in this country. Can't you be happy for someone instead of trying to find reasons he should be somewhere else? Just asking the question
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