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Post by thestatusquo on Aug 11, 2019 16:34:15 GMT
At the moment I think he’s both. Unlucky with some things that have happened on the pitch and poor with some of the bizarre substitutions he’s made which seems to make a bad situation somehow worse.
I’d reckon he’s got until the end of October until his luck runs out if he can’t turn it around.
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 11, 2019 16:37:57 GMT
What about the judgement of those that put him there?
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Post by nott1 on Aug 11, 2019 17:01:00 GMT
What about the judgement of those that put him there? And have faith in keeping him there  |
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Post by tejstokie on Aug 11, 2019 17:02:21 GMT
His Messiah was also unlucky and poor. He rose above it all lol
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 11, 2019 17:05:59 GMT
You make your own luck, mostly based on sound judgment, hard work and knowing what you are doing.
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Post by luke2u on Aug 11, 2019 17:07:22 GMT
For me, one thing is sure, he's not bringing us the football I expected.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Aug 11, 2019 17:07:58 GMT
I think he was very lucky to be at Luton at the time he was. It was like the perfect storm. He clearly had players available to him who were far far better than the standard they were operating.
Now he has not got that and has been found out.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 11, 2019 17:08:21 GMT
For me, one thing is sure, he's not bringing us the football I expected. Nor is it the football he promised. |
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Post by robrigo on Aug 11, 2019 17:29:11 GMT
I think the entire club is going through a poor and unlucky spell. It’s whether it can be broken sooner, rather than later.
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Post by serpico on Aug 11, 2019 17:29:50 GMT
The jury is still out but the signs aren’t good.
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Post by christhepotter on Aug 11, 2019 17:38:12 GMT
3 wins and his constant broken promises he’s got to go
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Aug 11, 2019 18:18:17 GMT
At the moment I think he’s both. Unlucky with some things that have happened on the pitch and poor with some of the bizarre substitutions he’s made which seems to make a bad situation somehow worse. I’d reckon he’s got until the end of October until his luck runs out if he can’t turn it around. I think every manager makes bizarre substitutions! Hughes , Rowett, Lambert and Jones but not Pulis his were very predictable 🤓 |
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Post by mattyd on Aug 11, 2019 18:31:12 GMT
He's wank.
Next question.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 18:35:44 GMT
What about the judgement of those that put him there? Fear not, if and when they sack Jones they're going to replace him properly with a good and proper appointment. 5th time lucky. |
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Aug 11, 2019 18:37:41 GMT
Very poor.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 18:40:19 GMT
I'm sick of hearing that we have or might have been unlucky.
Since Jones came through the door we have regressed into a different level of wankness, and its fuck all to do with luck.
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Post by dannymadeley30 on Aug 11, 2019 18:44:39 GMT
At the moment I think he’s both. Unlucky with some things that have happened on the pitch and poor with some of the bizarre substitutions he’s made which seems to make a bad situation somehow worse. I’d reckon he’s got until the end of October until his luck runs out if he can’t turn it around. Winning 3 in 25 with an expensively assembled squad isn't bad luck, it's poor management. By October we will be where Ipswich were by the same stage last season - and that can't be allowed to happen. |
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Post by wilcopotter on Aug 11, 2019 18:48:25 GMT
Yesterday, very unlucky. Butland, again, for the first goal puts us on the back foot. Denied by the woodwork and some poor finishing (not his fault).
Only thing wrong for me yesterday was the substitutions. If Woods stayed on I think we would’ve won.
Think we’ll finish between 6th to 12th.
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Post by dannymadeley30 on Aug 11, 2019 18:49:33 GMT
Yesterday, very unlucky. Butland, again, for the first goal puts us on the back foot. Denied by the woodwork and some poor finishing (not his fault). Only thing wrong for me yesterday was the substitutions. If Woods stayed on I think we would’ve won. Think we’ll finish between 6th to 12th.No way - not with a guy who has had half a season of games already and won 1 in 8. |
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 11, 2019 18:49:40 GMT
At the moment I think he’s both. Unlucky with some things that have happened on the pitch and poor with some of the bizarre substitutions he’s made which seems to make a bad situation somehow worse. I’d reckon he’s got until the end of October until his luck runs out if he can’t turn it around. If he's unlucky and has no luck how can it run out in October?  |
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Post by newsteadst3 on Aug 11, 2019 19:02:32 GMT
At the moment I think he’s both. Unlucky with some things that have happened on the pitch and poor with some of the bizarre substitutions he’s made which seems to make a bad situation somehow worse. I’d reckon he’s got until the end of October until his luck runs out if he can’t turn it around. Winning 3 in 25 with an expensively assembled squad isn't bad luck, it's poor management. By October we will be where Ipswich were by the same stage last season - and that can't be allowed to happen. If a Boxer had that record he would be put up before the British Boxing Board of Control and his license would be reviewed. He would be encouraged to retire with a 3-25 record! |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 11, 2019 20:25:25 GMT
Yesterday, very unlucky. Butland, again, for the first goal puts us on the back foot. Denied by the woodwork and some poor finishing (not his fault). Only thing wrong for me yesterday was the substitutions. If Woods stayed on I think we would’ve won. Think we’ll finish between 6th to 12th. The players who missed those chances are his players why is that nothing to do with him ?, is our shit defence nothing to do with him either, taking Woods off was a suicidal decision and cost us the game, we have conceded 5 goals to two of the least fancied sides in the League his win record is abysmal and his football is nothing like he promised, I will be amazed if we finish anywhere near 6th with Jones in charge maybe bottom 6 at best. |
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Post by serpico on Aug 11, 2019 20:47:05 GMT
I think he was very lucky to be at Luton at the time he was. It was like the perfect storm. He clearly had players available to him who were far far better than the standard they were operating. Now he has not got that and has been found out. After he saved them from relegation I think he signed a load of new players, so not sure you can say it was luck ? |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 11, 2019 21:06:37 GMT
I think he was very lucky to be at Luton at the time he was. It was like the perfect storm. He clearly had players available to him who were far far better than the standard they were operating. Now he has not got that and has been found out. After he saved them from relegation I think he signed a load of new players, so not sure you can say it was luck ? He was noted for his squad clearouts. It’s not like that squad fell into his lap. Of course nothing to say he didn’t simply overachieve. I personally think there’s a good coach and manager in there, and if Luton was the “perfect storm” for success than he’s walked into the antithesis here. |
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Post by emery1985 on Aug 11, 2019 21:18:11 GMT
Shit squad and the reek of relegation hanging around the place like a fart in a crowded room didn’t really help any of last seasons managers find a real rhythm.
That said, he’s had a preseason to work with the remaining lads / bring in his own purchases now. I guess we’ll find out over the next 10 or so games or so what the craic is re poor or unlucky.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 11, 2019 21:21:22 GMT
After he saved them from relegation I think he signed a load of new players, so not sure you can say it was luck ? He was noted for his squad clearouts. It’s not like that squad fell into his lap. Of course nothing to say he didn’t simply overachieve. I personally think there’s a good coach and manager in there, and if Luton was the “perfect storm” for success than he’s walked into the antithesis here. The performance yesterday suggests we are moving in the right direction. It will take a little time but I think Jones has this belligerent belief in his own ability that will prevail  |
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Post by stokiekm on Aug 11, 2019 21:21:55 GMT
What, another post giving people the chance to slate Jones? What a surprise
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 11, 2019 21:32:07 GMT
I think he was very lucky to be at Luton at the time he was. It was like the perfect storm. He clearly had players available to him who were far far better than the standard they were operating. Now he has not got that and has been found out. After he saved them from relegation I think he signed a load of new players, so not sure you can say it was luck ? Rowett saved us from relegation last season, Jones has signed a load of new players but omitted to sign the players needed to make his system work that is nothing to do with luck, it has everything to do with incompetence and arrogance. |
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Post by serpico on Aug 11, 2019 21:36:00 GMT
After he saved them from relegation I think he signed a load of new players, so not sure you can say it was luck ? He was noted for his squad clearouts. It’s not like that squad fell into his lap. Of course nothing to say he didn’t simply overachieve. I personally think there’s a good coach and manager in there, and if Luton was the “perfect storm” for success than he’s walked into the antithesis here. Yeh, he joined Luton in January 2016, steered them away from relegation, finished 11th and then in the next preseason ridded out 12 players and signed 8 new ones. |
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Post by tosh on Aug 11, 2019 21:42:30 GMT
I think he was very lucky to be at Luton at the time he was. It was like the perfect storm. He clearly had players available to him who were far far better than the standard they were operating. Now he has not got that and has been found out. After he saved them from relegation I think he signed a load of new players, so not sure you can say it was luck ? Sometimes the stars align for a manager and he achieves something very difficult to repeat. It happened at a higher level for Ranieri. It may have happened for Jones in his first proper management job at Luton. I think he came to Stoke genuinely believing that he was a unique talent capable of instantly repeating his success. He even mentioned an ambition to one day manage Barcelona. I think he showed his inexperience with his expectations of himself, when he promised an almost instant clear out, total rebuild and promotion challenge, rather than lowering expectations by stating it may have to be a two to three year project because of the mess the club is in. To sign ten quality players after some refusals, all meeting his strict criteria, in one window, and blend them into a team, was an almost impossible project, and it should be no surprise if he has not managed it. The board are just going to have to give him a bit more time now to see whether he can blend a competitive team from what he now has and work his mini miracle. Where we go to if not, I’ve no idea. |
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