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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 10, 2019 21:56:02 GMT
I’m sitting here trying to complete a constructive post, however it’s a struggle. I’m now concerned.
There’s an old saying in football about wins or losses becoming “a habit”
We now seem to be in the “habit” of losing or drawing and not being able to win. Why? I really don’t know.
I’m really hopeful that NJ can turn things around because I can see a genuine, honest, sincere and successful driven guy.
Don’t lets under estimate this month if we consider it’s a results business.
I really despair at the lack of leadership from the very top for this last 3/4 years and I suppose due to their failings we are now witnessing reality.
If circumstances this season prove me to be despot I’ll be the first to say thank f*ck
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 10, 2019 21:58:26 GMT
It probably doesn't help the fans start booing 45 mins into the first game of the season.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 10, 2019 22:00:57 GMT
"The darkest hour is before the dawn"
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2019 22:06:27 GMT
It probably doesn't help the fans start booing 45 mins into the first game of the season. Fuck all to do with it. |
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Post by royalewithcheese on Aug 10, 2019 22:14:13 GMT
It probably doesn't help the fans start booing 45 mins into the first game of the season. Because the fans know when they are being short changed. I wont feel sorry for these millionaire players and our millionaire manager. And the manager has made it very clear. Judge me now. This is my team. Nothing but promotion is the target. We've played 2 average sides and been beaten by both. What does Nath expect? |
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Post by dudnostokie on Aug 10, 2019 22:24:37 GMT
It probably doesn't help the fans start booing 45 mins into the first game of the season. Fuck all to do with it. It has everything to do with it. It is no coincidence that the moment we turned on our own players, that shitty mistakes were made. The reason we stayed up during our first few years back in the prem was because we backed our team to the hilt. Now, a player can't so much as miss-control a ball without the knuckle draggers coming out of their holes to jump down their throats, and it shows. We have made our players nervous as shit to make a mistake, and the repercussions of that are evident on the pitch in how cagey and lacking confidence we are. Now we have started this season playing much better football, but the moment things go against us, we're right on their backs. Jones has had two games where he has been able to play a team with the majority of his own players, and we've made huge improvements to the football that we were playing last season, and could have easily been three goals up. Yet for some reason, the old cynical farts and the bandwagon jumpers can't wait for us to make a mistake and blame him. "3 wins in 23 matches" yes, with a squad that had gaping holes and a huge attitude problem. The ground is a massively toxic environment, and the sooner the "fans" realise that our success in the prem was mainly due to us being the "12th man" the better. We were never going to go straight back up with the team we were relegated with. Use your fucking heads and get behind the manager, because if we carry on with the toxicity, we're surely going down. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2019 22:26:51 GMT
It has everything to do with it. It is no coincidence that the moment we turned on our own players, that shitty mistakes were made. The reason we stayed up during our first few years back in the prem was because we backed our team to the hilt. Now, a player can't so much as miss-control a ball without the knuckle draggers coming out of their holes to jump down their throats, and it shows. We have made our players nervous as shit to make a mistake, and the repercussions of that are evident on the pitch in how cagey and lacking confidence we are. Now we have started this season playing much better football, but the moment things go against us, we're right on their backs. Jones has had two games where he has been able to play a team with the majority of his own players, and we've made huge improvements to the football that we were playing last season, and could have easily been three goals up. Yet for some reason, the old cynical farts and the bandwagon jumpers can't wait for us to make a mistake and blame him. "3 wins in 23 matches" yes, with a squad that had gaping holes and a huge attitude problem. The ground is a massively toxic environment, and the sooner the "fans" realise that our success in the prem was mainly due to us being the "12th man" the better. We were never going to go straight back up with the team we were relegated with. Use your fucking heads and get behind the manager, because if we carry on with the toxicity, we're surely going down. The club is in a mess because of poor owners, shit managers and badly managed players. The fans have had fuck all to do with it. You thought we were better than last season against QPR? You’re on a wind up. |
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Post by numberounominion on Aug 10, 2019 22:27:42 GMT
"The darkest hour is before the dawn" It may well be. But if you are on the titanic, and going down,that's not much to hold on to. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 10, 2019 22:42:03 GMT
It probably doesn't help the fans start booing 45 mins into the first game of the season. Fuck all to do with it. Well that’s a constructive and debatable response. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 22:44:03 GMT
My personal concern is that no-one at that club seems to have even a vague idea of what the fuck they are doing...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 22:44:43 GMT
It probably doesn't help the fans start booing 45 mins into the first game of the season. Probably helped get rid of Afobe so arguably it did help? |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 10, 2019 22:54:56 GMT
It has everything to do with it. It is no coincidence that the moment we turned on our own players, that shitty mistakes were made. The reason we stayed up during our first few years back in the prem was because we backed our team to the hilt. Now, a player can't so much as miss-control a ball without the knuckle draggers coming out of their holes to jump down their throats, and it shows. We have made our players nervous as shit to make a mistake, and the repercussions of that are evident on the pitch in how cagey and lacking confidence we are. Now we have started this season playing much better football, but the moment things go against us, we're right on their backs. Jones has had two games where he has been able to play a team with the majority of his own players, and we've made huge improvements to the football that we were playing last season, and could have easily been three goals up. Yet for some reason, the old cynical farts and the bandwagon jumpers can't wait for us to make a mistake and blame him. "3 wins in 23 matches" yes, with a squad that had gaping holes and a huge attitude problem. The ground is a massively toxic environment, and the sooner the "fans" realise that our success in the prem was mainly due to us being the "12th man" the better. We were never going to go straight back up with the team we were relegated with. Use your fucking heads and get behind the manager, because if we carry on with the toxicity, we're surely going down. Dud. I personally take your comments as being constructive and worthy of debate. I believe we have a small minority of vocal so called supporters who will post at every opportunity to undermine the club and the views of the majority of pragmatic supporters who simply strive to see progress |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2019 22:59:32 GMT
It has everything to do with it. It is no coincidence that the moment we turned on our own players, that shitty mistakes were made. The reason we stayed up during our first few years back in the prem was because we backed our team to the hilt. Now, a player can't so much as miss-control a ball without the knuckle draggers coming out of their holes to jump down their throats, and it shows. We have made our players nervous as shit to make a mistake, and the repercussions of that are evident on the pitch in how cagey and lacking confidence we are. Now we have started this season playing much better football, but the moment things go against us, we're right on their backs. Jones has had two games where he has been able to play a team with the majority of his own players, and we've made huge improvements to the football that we were playing last season, and could have easily been three goals up. Yet for some reason, the old cynical farts and the bandwagon jumpers can't wait for us to make a mistake and blame him. "3 wins in 23 matches" yes, with a squad that had gaping holes and a huge attitude problem. The ground is a massively toxic environment, and the sooner the "fans" realise that our success in the prem was mainly due to us being the "12th man" the better. We were never going to go straight back up with the team we were relegated with. Use your fucking heads and get behind the manager, because if we carry on with the toxicity, we're surely going down. Dud. I personally take your comments as being constructive and worthy of debate. I believe we have a small minority of vocal so called supporters who will post at every opportunity to undermine the club and the views of the majority of pragmatic supporters who simply strive to see progress Did you even go the QPR game? That tripe you’ve just posted doesn’t match what went on at that game! |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 10, 2019 23:05:15 GMT
It probably doesn't help the fans start booing 45 mins into the first game of the season. Because the fans know when they are being short changed. I wont feel sorry for these millionaire players and our millionaire manager. And the manager has made it very clear. Judge me now. This is my team. Nothing but promotion is the target. We've played 2 average sides and been beaten by both. What does Nath expect? We have seen a massive improvement in play today, we didn't have the run of the green today and that's how it goes when it's going against you. If we continue to perform like we did today results will change, them that hit the post will start going in. We are on the verge of something decent |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 10, 2019 23:09:46 GMT
Dud. I personally take your comments as being constructive and worthy of debate. I believe we have a small minority of vocal so called supporters who will post at every opportunity to undermine the club and the views of the majority of pragmatic supporters who simply strive to see progress Did you even go the QPR game? That tripe you’ve just posted doesn’t match what went on at that game! I’ll go on a gut instinct here and make a statement. You cannot match the number of games I’ve attended, the years I’ve been a season ticket holder, the grounds I’ve visited and miles travelled to watch SCFC. Guess what? I’m not chasing an entry into the Guinness Book of records. You are subversive in every post. The spreading of negativity justified or not is your persona. If I’m wrong (1) I’ll apologise and (2) I’ll donate £100 to your chosen charity. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2019 23:11:40 GMT
Did you even go the QPR game? That tripe you’ve just posted doesn’t match what went on at that game! I’ll go on a gut instinct here and make a statement. You cannot match the number of games I’ve attended, the years I’ve been a season ticket holder, the grounds I’ve visited and miles travelled to watch SCFC. Guess what? I’m not chasing an entry into the Guinness Book of records. You are subversive in every post. The spreading of negativity justified or not is your persona. If I’m wrong (1) I’ll apologise and (2) I’ll donate £100 to your chosen charity. You can give yourself a grand if you answer a question straight. You’re like a politician, talking bollocks and dodging points! |
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Post by march4 on Aug 10, 2019 23:12:34 GMT
Because the fans know when they are being short changed. I wont feel sorry for these millionaire players and our millionaire manager. And the manager has made it very clear. Judge me now. This is my team. Nothing but promotion is the target. We've played 2 average sides and been beaten by both. What does Nath expect? We have seen a massive improvement in play today, we didn't have the run of the green today and that's how it goes when it's going against you. If we continue to perform like we did today results will change, them that hit the post will start going in. We are on the verge of something decent We were on the verge of a good result until our manager wrecked our team shape with two of the most baffling substitutions I have seen for a good while. |
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Post by dudnostokie on Aug 10, 2019 23:13:19 GMT
It has everything to do with it. It is no coincidence that the moment we turned on our own players, that shitty mistakes were made. The reason we stayed up during our first few years back in the prem was because we backed our team to the hilt. Now, a player can't so much as miss-control a ball without the knuckle draggers coming out of their holes to jump down their throats, and it shows. We have made our players nervous as shit to make a mistake, and the repercussions of that are evident on the pitch in how cagey and lacking confidence we are. Now we have started this season playing much better football, but the moment things go against us, we're right on their backs. Jones has had two games where he has been able to play a team with the majority of his own players, and we've made huge improvements to the football that we were playing last season, and could have easily been three goals up. Yet for some reason, the old cynical farts and the bandwagon jumpers can't wait for us to make a mistake and blame him. "3 wins in 23 matches" yes, with a squad that had gaping holes and a huge attitude problem. The ground is a massively toxic environment, and the sooner the "fans" realise that our success in the prem was mainly due to us being the "12th man" the better. We were never going to go straight back up with the team we were relegated with. Use your fucking heads and get behind the manager, because if we carry on with the toxicity, we're surely going down. The club is in a mess because of poor owners, shit managers and badly managed players. The fans have had fuck all to do with it. You thought we were better than last season against QPR? You’re on a wind up. Although I agree with you to an extent regarding the QPR game, I did see promising improvements in the first 20 minutes. Then after Jack's blunder, and the fans getting on the players' backs, we reverted back to type and our confidence was diminished. Today's game reflected the same tempo and tenacity as the first twenty minutes of the QPR game. Although we lost, I saw more passion and intent than I'd seen at any point last season. And on another day, we could have had three or four goals. I know you've got a reputation as being critical (sometimes constructively), but tell me the truth, have you not seen an improvement in today's game as opposed to the season prior? And if so, isn't that all we can ask for given the state of the squad that Nathan inherited? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 23:15:41 GMT
We have seen a massive improvement in play today, we didn't have the run of the green today and that's how it goes when it's going against you. If we continue to perform like we did today results will change, them that hit the post will start going in. We are on the verge of something decent We were on the verge of a good result until our manager wrecked our team shape with two of the most baffling substitutions I have seen for a good while. He doesn’t seem to be able to see what is working and what needs to change. Basically he just threw all the attacking players on the bench on... he just seems very very naive. |
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Post by march4 on Aug 10, 2019 23:15:57 GMT
The club is in a mess because of poor owners, shit managers and badly managed players. The fans have had fuck all to do with it. You thought we were better than last season against QPR? You’re on a wind up. Although I agree with you to an extent regarding the QPR game, I did see promising improvements in the first 20 minutes. Then after Jack's blunder, and the fans getting on the players' backs, we reverted back to type and our confidence was diminished. Today's game reflected the same tempo and tenacity as the first twenty minutes of the QPR game. Although we lost, I saw more passion and intent than I'd seen at any point last season. And on another day, we could have had three or four goals. I know you've got a reputation as being critical (sometimes constructively), but tell me the truth, have you not seen an improvement in today's game as opposed to the season prior? And if so, isn't that all we can ask for given the state of the squad that Nathan inherited? Jones inherited a squad that should of stormed to the Prem with ease. And with them he has managed three wins in half a season. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2019 23:17:50 GMT
The club is in a mess because of poor owners, shit managers and badly managed players. The fans have had fuck all to do with it. You thought we were better than last season against QPR? You’re on a wind up. Although I agree with you to an extent regarding the QPR game, I did see promising improvements in the first 20 minutes. Then after Jack's blunder, and the fans getting on the players' backs, we reverted back to type and our confidence was diminished. Today's game reflected the same tempo and tenacity as the first twenty minutes of the QPR game. Although we lost, I saw more passion and intent than I'd seen at any point last season. And on another day, we could have had three or four goals. I know you've got a reputation as being critical (sometimes constructively), but tell me the truth, have you not seen an improvement in today's game as opposed to the season prior? And if so, isn't that all we can ask for given the state of the squad that Nathan inherited? I haven’t seen today’s game and haven’t commented on it bar the goals, which I have seen. I think he inherited the best squad in the league that needed playing in a 4231. Shawcross is about the best centre back in the league. You won’t get many better midfielders than Etebo. Clucas can be a game changer. Edwards one of the best Young full backs in the country. Ince one of the best attackers in the league. Bojan, Bojan ffs. Pieters a PL quality left back. |
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Post by BuzzB on Aug 10, 2019 23:18:28 GMT
It has everything to do with it. It is no coincidence that the moment we turned on our own players, that shitty mistakes were made. The reason we stayed up during our first few years back in the prem was because we backed our team to the hilt. Now, a player can't so much as miss-control a ball without the knuckle draggers coming out of their holes to jump down their throats, and it shows. We have made our players nervous as shit to make a mistake, and the repercussions of that are evident on the pitch in how cagey and lacking confidence we are. Now we have started this season playing much better football, but the moment things go against us, we're right on their backs. Jones has had two games where he has been able to play a team with the majority of his own players, and we've made huge improvements to the football that we were playing last season, and could have easily been three goals up. Yet for some reason, the old cynical farts and the bandwagon jumpers can't wait for us to make a mistake and blame him. "3 wins in 23 matches" yes, with a squad that had gaping holes and a huge attitude problem. The ground is a massively toxic environment, and the sooner the "fans" realise that our success in the prem was mainly due to us being the "12th man" the better. We were never going to go straight back up with the team we were relegated with. Use your fucking heads and get behind the manager, because if we carry on with the toxicity, we're surely going down. absolutely top quality bang on the money post. Massive improvement today, the sloppy defending is what we have to work on, the whole shape for an hour, the industry of Gregory and Hogan was a massive part of the improvement compared to Vokes and Afobe. Lets stop slating them when we can look at the bigger picture. I know we are all pissed off with the last 3 years but draw the bloody line and look forward. We have the making of a decent team here. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 10, 2019 23:21:02 GMT
It probably doesn't help the fans start booing 45 mins into the first game of the season. Fuck all to do with it. You think it helps then, I'm of the opinion it doesn't, it creates a shit atmosphere and does nothing to help the teams confidence. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 10, 2019 23:22:59 GMT
It probably doesn't help the fans start booing 45 mins into the first game of the season. Because the fans know when they are being short changed. I wont feel sorry for these millionaire players and our millionaire manager. And the manager has made it very clear. Judge me now. This is my team. Nothing but promotion is the target. We've played 2 average sides and been beaten by both. What does Nath expect? Judge him now yes I agree, asking for him to be sacked the second he gets his new team is ridiculous. |
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Post by dudnostokie on Aug 10, 2019 23:23:21 GMT
Although I agree with you to an extent regarding the QPR game, I did see promising improvements in the first 20 minutes. Then after Jack's blunder, and the fans getting on the players' backs, we reverted back to type and our confidence was diminished. Today's game reflected the same tempo and tenacity as the first twenty minutes of the QPR game. Although we lost, I saw more passion and intent than I'd seen at any point last season. And on another day, we could have had three or four goals. I know you've got a reputation as being critical (sometimes constructively), but tell me the truth, have you not seen an improvement in today's game as opposed to the season prior? And if so, isn't that all we can ask for given the state of the squad that Nathan inherited? Jones inherited a squad that should of stormed to the Prem with ease. And with them he has managed three wins in half a season. Do you actually believe that? At the start of last season, no part of me thought we were going straight back to the Prem. The attitude of some of the players we had were awful, as was the attitude of our fan-base. We've gone from having a "Bear Pit", to having a fan-base of divas who only back the team when things are going their way. The way some of the fans were thinking we were going to piss the Championship was frankly embarrassing. I honestly don't think any manager (within reason) would have been able to turn around the team of mercenaries that we had. Now Jones seems to have brought in some good characters and is doing the basics well with a team that he has put together. Only time will tell, but I have seen enough promise to think he's making the right decisions (bar the subs today!). |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2019 23:23:26 GMT
You think it helps then, I'm of the opinion it doesn't, it creates a shit atmosphere and does nothing to help the teams confidence. I think it’s a very small thing in the grand scheme that is Stoke City. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 10, 2019 23:25:17 GMT
I’ll go on a gut instinct here and make a statement. You cannot match the number of games I’ve attended, the years I’ve been a season ticket holder, the grounds I’ve visited and miles travelled to watch SCFC. Guess what? I’m not chasing an entry into the Guinness Book of records. You are subversive in every post. The spreading of negativity justified or not is your persona. If I’m wrong (1) I’ll apologise and (2) I’ll donate £100 to your chosen charity. You can give yourself a grand if you answer a question straight. You’re like a politician, talking bollocks and dodging points! 1. Did you go to the QPR game? Yes I won’t ask another question because that means a reply and another post in your quest for fame, Talking Bollocks. You can surely resonate with that |
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Post by stokerstayinup on Aug 10, 2019 23:26:33 GMT
I’ll go on a gut instinct here and make a statement. You cannot match the number of games I’ve attended, the years I’ve been a season ticket holder, the grounds I’ve visited and miles travelled to watch SCFC. Guess what? I’m not chasing an entry into the Guinness Book of records. You are subversive in every post. The spreading of negativity justified or not is your persona. If I’m wrong (1) I’ll apologise and (2) I’ll donate £100 to your chosen charity. You can give yourself a grand if you answer a question straight. You’re like a politician, talking bollocks and dodging points! Fuck me,the irony |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2019 23:28:53 GMT
You can give yourself a grand if you answer a question straight. You’re like a politician, talking bollocks and dodging points! Fuck me,the irony No irony. I answer all points and dodge nothing. Unlike this chancer not offering any opinion up what so ever bar being a happy clapping seal. |
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Post by dudnostokie on Aug 10, 2019 23:34:28 GMT
Although I agree with you to an extent regarding the QPR game, I did see promising improvements in the first 20 minutes. Then after Jack's blunder, and the fans getting on the players' backs, we reverted back to type and our confidence was diminished. Today's game reflected the same tempo and tenacity as the first twenty minutes of the QPR game. Although we lost, I saw more passion and intent than I'd seen at any point last season. And on another day, we could have had three or four goals. I know you've got a reputation as being critical (sometimes constructively), but tell me the truth, have you not seen an improvement in today's game as opposed to the season prior? And if so, isn't that all we can ask for given the state of the squad that Nathan inherited? I haven’t seen today’s game and haven’t commented on it bar the goals, which I have seen. I think he inherited the best squad in the league that needed playing in a 4231. Shawcross is about the best centre back in the league. You won’t get many better midfielders than Etebo. Clucas can be a game changer. Edwards one of the best Young full backs in the country. Ince one of the best attackers in the league. Bojan, Bojan ffs. Pieters a PL quality left back. It's hard to argue against that, but even under Rowett them same players found it difficult (we probably have similar thoughts to Bojan in that regard). I think the fans hostility played more of a part than you care to recognise. I'm sure you had your reasons for not watching the game, but you really can't judge it on the clips of the goals that were let in. All goals were massively against the run of play, the third came when we were chasing for a goal. If you've got the time, look at the Youtube video that Rob has posted and you'll see what I mean. It would be interesting to see if you hold the same opinion. |
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