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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 10, 2019 16:09:20 GMT
You're right but he simply can't escape his own record which is fucking abysmal. He's got 3 games for me. Absolute fucking toss. Until you leave this board? 🤞🏻 Lovely input babes
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Post by fca47 on Aug 10, 2019 16:09:59 GMT
Talk of sacking him after 2 games is stupid. He sorted the defence out by the end of the season and hopefully he will do it again. Not a great start but the negativity is pathetic.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 10, 2019 16:10:13 GMT
Can't help but think some of you didn't actually watch the game? We played well in both halves, were unlucky not to win never mind draw. On another day we would have scored 4. I think we are clearly making a few basic errors at the back and Butland is obviously costing us right now, but play like that most weeks and we will do fine this season. I did watch the game. When is this “other day” you speak of? I want to put a mark on my calendar. So forgetting all the shit we have endured for the past 3 years... just focusing on the game you have just seen for this: Do you seriously think we deserved to lose that game 3-1?
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Aug 10, 2019 16:10:15 GMT
Can't help but think some of you didn't actually watch the game? We played well in both halves, were unlucky not to win never mind draw. On another day we would have scored 4. I think we are clearly making a few basic errors at the back and Butland is obviously costing us right now, but play like that most weeks and we will do fine this season. It’s a shame that a lot of Stoke fans don’t have a brain cell and can’t see this.
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 10, 2019 16:11:05 GMT
Goals win games , doesn’t matter how you play , we’ve let in 5 in two games , I wil give him 10 games and if by then we’re havnt won at least 4 and drawn 2 then I’m afraid he has to go
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 10, 2019 16:11:13 GMT
Can't help but think some of you didn't actually watch the game? We played well in both halves, were unlucky not to win never mind draw. On another day we would have scored 4. I think we are clearly making a few basic errors at the back and Butland is obviously costing us right now, but play like that most weeks and we will do fine this season. Agreed - we will play way worse than that and win this season. We had two strikers making their full league debuts, and a centre half too, as well as another off the bench. Things will take time to settle after the end of the transfer window. Hogan and Gregory could form a very good partnership and offered far more than last week's statues. They could have easily had three between them today. Woods is the best holder at the club and should keep that spot - big mistake taking him off today. Allen and Clucas looked better with their stronger foot on the outside, as it increased our width. We also have the ebullient Etebo back soon. Ward and Smith got forward well from full back, and Ince had a good game at no.10 capped by a lovely goal. Problems - we're still conceding soft goals, which has to stop, and Jack's form remains a bit iffy (what was that flap for the first, was he really so unsighted?). The diamond can leave us open to quick counter attacks.
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 10, 2019 16:11:16 GMT
Can't help but think some of you didn't actually watch the game? We played well in both halves, were unlucky not to win never mind draw. On another day we would have scored 4. I think we are clearly making a few basic errors at the back and Butland is obviously costing us right now, but play like that most weeks and we will do fine this season. Totally agree. Play like that every week with a bit more finesse and we’ll be in and around the play offs.
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Post by numberounominion on Aug 10, 2019 16:11:39 GMT
We are bottom of the league
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 10, 2019 16:12:08 GMT
Tick tock, tick tock. It's happening. He's a clown who's been found out.
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Post by onionman on Aug 10, 2019 16:12:44 GMT
Anyone who thinks we played well is either willfully blind or just mad.
We did some good things that didn’t matter because they didn’t even lead to any shots on target, let alone goals.
We did some utterly horrendous things that led to 3 easy goals for a very poor side.
That’s not playing well. It’s losing, awful football that guarantees defeat and results in relegation if it’s repeated week after week, as it has been for the whole of 2019 and for most of the past 3 years.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Aug 10, 2019 16:13:39 GMT
Can't help but think some of you didn't actually watch the game? We played well in both halves, were unlucky not to win never mind draw. On another day we would have scored 4. I think we are clearly making a few basic errors at the back and Butland is obviously costing us right now, but play like that most weeks and we will do fine this season. On another day we would have scored four? Maybe if we played the game tomorrow while Charlton sit at home with their feet up, and even then I have a hard time imagining this side putting the ball in the net four times.
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Post by stokecity4life on Aug 10, 2019 16:13:52 GMT
Best we have played for ages.
Sickening.
SickENING.
Fuming.
Goodbye for tonight before i explode.
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 10, 2019 16:13:52 GMT
Just on the way from The Valley now...
We played well for 20 minutes in the second half, created 3 chances and as per usual our finishing was garbage.
Taking Woods off was a ridiculous decision but not withstanding that, the same old issues raised their head - we're slow of thought and languid in every department.
This system he's wedded to requires a well drilled side in which every player knows what they're supposed to be doing when specific scenarios arise. Our players have demonstrated in two consecutive games that nobody knows what they're doing.
The squad seems ridiculously imbalanced and on appearance Jones seems to be making it up as he goes along.
I've defended him recently and been an advocate of giving him time but he's demonstrated that he's tactically naive and steadfastly refuses to budge from a system that leaves us massively exposed.
I genuinely don't know where we go from here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 16:13:54 GMT
'Play like that' as in, let other teams score at will? We've let in 5 against two sides that will likely be in the bottom 6-7 of the table. I hope your logic bears scrutiny when we play anyone good. If you watched that and thought Charlton deserved to 3-1 you are full on fucking mental. Re-read my post. We've conceded 5 in 2 games. Losing both. I don't give a bollocks who deserved what. You get fuck-all for 'deserving to win' games. Unless we're happy just playing well* and losing this season? *we played well for a portion of the game, but didn't play well either up front or defensively, which is kind of what we need to master.
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Post by huuuuuth on Aug 10, 2019 16:15:22 GMT
This team will do well but I think butland and Allen need dropping My lad was a bit more harsh - he wants them firing into the sun ![(bye)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/sxlha3OWhqFVd36WaQ0c.gif)
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Post by liamo on Aug 10, 2019 16:15:56 GMT
Can't help but think some of you didn't actually watch the game? We played well in both halves, were unlucky not to win never mind draw. On another day we would have scored 4. I think we are clearly making a few basic errors at the back and Butland is obviously costing us right now, but play like that most weeks and we will do fine this season. Totally agree. Play like that every week with a bit more finesse and we’ll be in and around the play offs. I remember thinking the exact same thing about us under rowett We're consistently inconsistent, played shit against QPR and lost, do better against Charlton and still lost At the end of the day, it's numbers that matter and we're -3 goal difference and 2nd bottom after losing to two of the worst teams in the league Nobody will remember the details of the Charlton game at the end of the season, only that we didn't win
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Post by philm87 on Aug 10, 2019 16:16:17 GMT
Can't help but think some of you didn't actually watch the game? We played well in both halves, were unlucky not to win never mind draw. On another day we would have scored 4. I think we are clearly making a few basic errors at the back and Butland is obviously costing us right now, but play like that most weeks and we will do fine this season. Agreed - we will play way worse than that and win this season. We had two strikers making their full league debuts, and a centre half too, as well as another off the bench. Things will take time to settle after the end of the transfer window. Hogan and Gregory could form a very good partnership and offered far more than last week's statues. They could have easily had three between them today. Woods is the best holder at the club and should keep that spot - big mistake taking him off today. Allen and Clucas looked better with their stronger foot on the outside, as it increased our width. We also have the ebullient Etebo back soon. Ward and Smith got forward well from full back, and Ince had a good game at no.10 capped by a lovely goal. Problems - we're still conceding soft goals, which has to stop, and Jack's form remains a bit iffy (what was that flap for the first, was he really so unsighted?). The diamond can leave us open to quick counter attacks. Agreed However I am not sure about Woods in that position. He played well today, but in the long run I worry he is too slow and lightweight to be effective winning the ball back. Ward I thought was quite poor, particularly going forward. I beginning to seriously question Butland now. One more clanger like that and he needs taking out of the firing line. As for the rest of the defence, hopefully it is just people getting used to playing together but it does feel like the opposition has a bit too much space in certain areas. Other than that I see it pretty similarly. Plenty of positives and most of the team played pretty well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 16:16:55 GMT
Tick tock, tick tock. It's happening. He's a clown who's been found out. Who are you replacing him with?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 16:16:57 GMT
We ran around a lot and looked to be trying but unfortunately Charlton didn’t look too troubled and took their chances.
It is unfortunately not enough.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 10, 2019 16:17:24 GMT
Can't help but think some of you didn't actually watch the game? We played well in both halves, were unlucky not to win never mind draw. On another day we would have scored 4. I think we are clearly making a few basic errors at the back and Butland is obviously costing us right now, but play like that most weeks and we will do fine this season. On another day we would have scored four? Maybe if we played the game tomorrow while Charlton sit at home with their feet up, and even then I have a hard time imagining this side putting the ball in the net four times. We scored 1. We hit the wood work twice. Gregory missed an absolute sitter. That equals 4 in total. Where exactly is my maths wrong?
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Post by marylandstoke on Aug 10, 2019 16:17:34 GMT
I did watch the game. When is this “other day” you speak of? I want to put a mark on my calendar. So forgetting all the shit we have endured for the past 3 years... just focusing on the game you have just seen for this: Do you seriously think we deserved to lose that game 3-1? No. That having been said will there be an asterisk next to it in the league table?
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Post by melbournestokie21 on Aug 10, 2019 16:18:05 GMT
Anyone who thinks we played well is either willfully blind or just mad. We did some good things that didn’t matter because they didn’t even lead to any shots on target, let alone goals. We did some utterly horrendous things that led to 3 easy goals for a very poor side. That’s not playing well. It’s losing, awful football that guarantees defeat and results in relegation if it’s repeated week after week, as it has been for the whole of 2019 and for most of the past 3 years. Okay fine results wise it was horrible. But in terms of fluency and passage of play, for once we looked like we had good link up play. We looked threatening. I honestly cant remember the last game we looked like that, maybe blackburn away last season. However like you say results results results. Id we lose the next one or even the next two he'll have to be more pragmatic no matter how well were playing just to stem the flow of losses a bit. I wont blame him for the Woods sub though but what ever he was trying to do with the formation change didnt work, killed anything we did going forward and we resorted to type with hopeful, nothing balls to be chased.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 10, 2019 16:18:46 GMT
Totally agree. Play like that every week with a bit more finesse and we’ll be in and around the play offs. I remember thinking the exact same thing about us under rowett We're consistently inconsistent, played shit against QPR and lost, do better against Charlton and still lost At the end of the day, it's numbers that matter and we're -3 goal difference and 2nd bottom after losing to two of the worst teams in the league Nobody will remember the details of the Charlton game at the end of the season, only that we didn't win No most Stoke fans won't remember. Most Stoke fans are stupid no offence.
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Post by chrisgal on Aug 10, 2019 16:19:00 GMT
Can't help but think some of you didn't actually watch the game? We played well in both halves, were unlucky not to win never mind draw. On another day we would have scored 4. I think we are clearly making a few basic errors at the back and Butland is obviously costing us right now, but play like that most weeks and we will do fine this season. Was the last time we scored 4 in the league against Liverpool? I can’t see Stoke scoring 4 if they had 8 penalties.
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Post by melbournestokie21 on Aug 10, 2019 16:19:03 GMT
Can't help but think some of you didn't actually watch the game? We played well in both halves, were unlucky not to win never mind draw. On another day we would have scored 4. I think we are clearly making a few basic errors at the back and Butland is obviously costing us right now, but play like that most weeks and we will do fine this season. On another day we would have scored four? Maybe if we played the game tomorrow while Charlton sit at home with their feet up, and even then I have a hard time imagining this side putting the ball in the net four times. We hit the crossbar twice and gregory missed a sitter (played well though tbf). You didnt watch the game did you?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2019 16:19:40 GMT
Just on the way from The Valley now... We played well for 20 minutes in the second half, created 3 chances and as per usual our finishing was garbage. Taking Woods off was a ridiculous decision but not withstanding that, the same old issues raised their head - we're slow of thought and languid in every department. This system he's wedded to requires a well drilled side in which every player knows what they're supposed to be doing when specific scenarios arise. Our players have demonstrated in two consecutive games that nobody knows what they're doing. The squad seems ridiculously imbalanced and on appearance Jones seems to be making it up as he goes along. I've defended him recently and been an advocate of giving him time but he's demonstrated that he's tactically naive and steadfastly refuses to budge from a system that leaves us massively exposed. I genuinely don't know where we go from here. He changed to a 4-2-3-1 when we were 2-1 down to try and get us back into the match. We were much better using the diamond. It's the second game he's changed shape to try and get back into the match so he isn't wedded to any system at all.
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Post by bloodtypered on Aug 10, 2019 16:19:42 GMT
If we had be a little more clinical with chances like inces goal...we would have got 5 or 6, they had 3 shots
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 10, 2019 16:19:43 GMT
We ran around a lot and looked to be trying but unfortunately Charlton didn’t look too troubled and took their chances. It is unfortunately not enough. Charlton didn’t look troubled.. do you sniff glue? They were shitting their pants for 70 minutes of that game. All they could do was put the ball into touch. If it wasn’t for some shoddy finishing we would have been 3-1 up after 50 minutes. We made some CLEAR CUT opportunities, not half chances, real good, clear cut chances that you’d expect to bag 9 times out of 10.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 10, 2019 16:20:03 GMT
Our drop from being 9th in the PL to where we are now can only be matched by Sunderland. Our expectations now seem to have been bought to the level of being satisfied by “playing well.” With the money we’ve spent we should be beating teams like QPR and Charlton comfortably. We’re back to being little old Stoke again and back to where we belong. I don’t mind the Championship it’s a cracking league but make no mistake we’re massively underperforming and things need to change soon.
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Post by onionman on Aug 10, 2019 16:20:56 GMT
Anyone who thinks we played well is either willfully blind or just mad. We did some good things that didn’t matter because they didn’t even lead to any shots on target, let alone goals. We did some utterly horrendous things that led to 3 easy goals for a very poor side. That’s not playing well. It’s losing, awful football that guarantees defeat and results in relegation if it’s repeated week after week, as it has been for the whole of 2019 and for most of the past 3 years. Okay fine results wise it was horrible. But in terms of fluency and passage of play, for once we looked like we had good link up play. We looked threatening. I honestly cant remember the last game we looked like that, maybe blackburn away last season. However like you say results results results. Id we lose the next one or even the next two he'll have to be more pragmatic no matter how well were playing just to stem the flow of losses a bit. I wont blame him for the Woods sub though but what ever he was trying to do with the formation change didnt work, killed anything we did going forward and we resorted to type with hopeful, nothing balls to be chased. My point is that results don’t just happen by chance. If you can’t score goals, and can’t defend, it doesn’t matter what else you do, that’s a poor performance
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