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Post by leicspotter on Aug 9, 2019 7:54:34 GMT
I think the point is that apart from Diouf their attitudes are varying levels of shite I wouldn’t disagree about Diouf, Yes they have all taken advantage of their personal situation (in particular Imbula) however all those posting and using graphic language to criticise would do the same given such a golden opportunity. You sign mercenaries, you get mercenaries. Back to those responsible for recruitment I think the point is that, any of us performing our jobs so poorly, and with a bad attitude, would soon find ourselves out of work. There is a process in most businesses for this The "process" at Stoke gets lots of mentions but doesn't seem to actually work. I accept that footballer's contracts are a bit different, and that players need some protection, especially as it can be a short career, but even so, they should be able to be brought to account if they continually "take the piss"
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 9, 2019 8:03:07 GMT
I wouldn’t disagree about Diouf, Yes they have all taken advantage of their personal situation (in particular Imbula) however all those posting and using graphic language to criticise would do the same given such a golden opportunity. You sign mercenaries, you get mercenaries. Back to those responsible for recruitment I think the point is that, any of us performing our jobs so poorly, and with a bad attitude, would soon find ourselves out of work. There is a process in most businesses for this The "process" at Stoke gets lots of mentions but doesn't seem to actually work. I accept that footballer's contracts are a bit different, and that players need some protection, especially as it can be a short career, but even so, they should be able to be brought to account if they continually "take the piss" Fully agree with your sentiments. Unfortunately football seems to be a profession on its own.
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 9, 2019 8:41:02 GMT
Diouf aside, what did we do to deserve these low life footballers? They don't seem to have an ounce of guilt for what we paid for them. Due diligence or lack of ! It's disgusting isn't it, most of these players are all our big signings too, and take up a bulk of the wage bill. At least Jones has tried to get what he can out of the club, and bring in players who are honest. He seems on the ball to me in the way he has gone about things, i hope the fans give his players time and we start seeing a glimpse of what he is doing. Jones has had a shit hand to play with since he came here, full of players he probably thought don't have the minerals. I am not normally a fan of signing loads of new players, but if there was ever a club needing an overhaul it was ours. Jones ain't half been brave for doing it too. Fair play to him for dealing with it the first chance he got. Even for our new players Jones has sent a clear message, this will be a big opportunity for many which they will have to earn, and hopefully the spell of buying high paid mercenaries will be behind us.
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Post by skelman on Aug 9, 2019 10:14:57 GMT
The transfer window remains open until 1st/2nd September for clubs in Germany, Netherlands, Spain, Scotland and France, who are still able to land players from the Premier League and the Championship.
In Italy, the Serie A transfer window remains open until August 18th.
The final European window to close is in Russia, where the window will remain open until September 6th.
Come on Stoke get that dead wood stacked, packed and OUT!
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Post by baystokie on Aug 9, 2019 12:14:23 GMT
I wouldn’t disagree about Diouf, Yes they have all taken advantage of their personal situation (in particular Imbula) however all those posting and using graphic language to criticise would do the same given such a golden opportunity. You sign mercenaries, you get mercenaries. Back to those responsible for recruitment I think the point is that, any of us performing our jobs so poorly, and with a bad attitude, would soon find ourselves out of work. There is a process in most businesses for this The "process" at Stoke gets lots of mentions but doesn't seem to actually work. I accept that footballer's contracts are a bit different, and that players need some protection, especially as it can be a short career, but even so, they should be able to be brought to account if they continually "take the piss" Presumably in order to terminate a contract, you have to show that the terms of the contract have been broken or that a dismissable offence has occurred. Not knowing what terms are in a player's contract leaves us clutching at thin air for a reason. You can see what legal problems they had tring to sack Saido' on account of his disgraceful behaviour. A player can present himself for selection for every game. It's not his responsibility if he is not selected on account of poor form (all players go through this), incompetence (proving it is a matter of opinion as this forum often shows!). I doubt that having always been/becoming a crap player could be proven/justified in law, no matter what bayern might think. Most of us have jobs with results/outcomes as the criteria - more easily proved. Any player could/would claim that a team performing poorly is not solely down to his performance but an accumulation of poor performances from the other ten - who is the arbiter of the scale of blame/responsibility of each team member?
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Post by leicspotter on Aug 9, 2019 13:11:46 GMT
I think the point is that, any of us performing our jobs so poorly, and with a bad attitude, would soon find ourselves out of work. There is a process in most businesses for this The "process" at Stoke gets lots of mentions but doesn't seem to actually work. I accept that footballer's contracts are a bit different, and that players need some protection, especially as it can be a short career, but even so, they should be able to be brought to account if they continually "take the piss" Presumably in order to terminate a contract, you have to show that the terms of the contract have been broken or that a dismissable offence has occurred. Not knowing what terms are in a player's contract leaves us clutching at thin air for a reason. You can see what legal problems they had tring to sack Saido' on account of his disgraceful behaviour. A player can present himself for selection for every game. It's not his responsibility if he is not selected on account of poor form (all players go through this), incompetence (proving it is a matter of opinion as this forum often shows!). I doubt that having always been/becoming a crap player could be proven/justified in law, no matter what bayern might think. Most of us have jobs with results/outcomes as the criteria - more easily proved. Any player could/would claim that a team performing poorly is not solely down to his performance but an accumulation of poor performances from the other ten - who is the arbiter of the scale of blame/responsibility of each team member? Agreed, but if we continually turned up late for work or brought our business into disrepute through our out of work activities, we would be disciplined (through the correct process) which, in the case of Saido in particular, appears (very important that word) not to have been the case until his last act seemed to break the camel's back. If I told my boss i didn't want to work for him, how long before that wish would be granted? Yet players like N'Diaye and Imbula seem (?) to have made it clear they don't want to be at Stoke...maybe they should just resign...oh, hang on, they wouldn't get all that lovely money then, would they
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Aug 9, 2019 14:40:34 GMT
In a way why should they?
We were stupid enough to give them wages and we must pay the price (well, wages)
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 9, 2019 14:58:43 GMT
Can we set up a 'Beach Soccer' team?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 9, 2019 15:53:45 GMT
We are paying them,so give them something to do,like cleaning the toilets,sweeping the car park,wash the other players cars,give lifts to and from games for disabled supporters,shoe shine supporters shoes,pick up dog Shit from around the streets of Stoke.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Aug 10, 2019 12:03:44 GMT
I think if we are reliant on Scholes negotiating the deals to move them on, the we can assume we will be stuck with them for the foreseeable.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 10, 2019 12:16:35 GMT
I think the point is that, any of us performing our jobs so poorly, and with a bad attitude, would soon find ourselves out of work. There is a process in most businesses for this The "process" at Stoke gets lots of mentions but doesn't seem to actually work. I accept that footballer's contracts are a bit different, and that players need some protection, especially as it can be a short career, but even so, they should be able to be brought to account if they continually "take the piss" Fully agree with your sentiments. Unfortunately football seems to be a profession on its own. You have remember owd that a player is a valuable asset to the club. So, take Wimmer as an example, an initial £18m asset. If he is sacked during his contract then that’s a pro rata loss to the club. Wimmer is, what 2.5 years into a 5 year contract so is still a £9m asset. Therefore the club will try and get a decent fee for him or loan him out to at least cover depreciation over a season. This is why players and agents have the upper hand and contracts to them aren’t worth anything other than the wages they are paid, thus they easily renegotiate more money half way through a contract or like Arnatovic and Ndaiye just demand a move after they have signed a contract and refuse to play as Ndaiye has.
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 10, 2019 12:40:26 GMT
I think the point is that apart from Diouf their attitudes are varying levels of shite I wouldn’t disagree about Diouf, Yes they have all taken advantage of their personal situation (in particular Imbula) however all those posting and using graphic language to criticise would do the same given such a golden opportunity. You sign mercenaries, you get mercenaries.  Back to those responsible for recruitment spot on
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 10, 2019 12:41:16 GMT
Fully agree with your sentiments. Unfortunately football seems to be a profession on its own. You have remember owd that a player is a valuable asset to the club. So, take Wimmer as an example, an initial £18m asset. If he is sacked during his contract then that’s a pro rata loss to the club. Wimmer is, what 2.5 years into a 5 year contract so is still a £9m asset. Therefore the club will try and get a decent fee for him or loan him out to at least cover depreciation over a season. This is why players and agents have the upper hand and contracts to them aren’t worth anything other than the wages they are paid, thus they easily renegotiate more money half way through a contract or like Arnatovic and Ndaiye just demand a move after they have signed a contract and refuse to play as Ndaiye has. Bang on Lawrie. That’s why I said without going into detail that “football seems (is) to be a profession on its own. All transfers are a risk for a multitude of reasons, some genuine and some not so genuine. I can’t remember in my lifetime as a Stoke supporter such a high number of high cost transfers (that includes supposed loans and free transfers) go horribly wrong in such a short timeframe. The cost must be astronomical (including our relegation) We’ve either been incredibly unlucky or incredibly incompetent or perhaps a mixture of both.
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 10, 2019 12:53:49 GMT
Don’t agree with Diouf being included in the list of wasters.
I class him in the same category as Bojan....players who for whatever reason did not fit into the manager’s plans.
Diouf lost form but he contributed a lot to this club. I wouldn’t actually be upset if he was back in the team.
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Post by lordb on Aug 10, 2019 12:58:42 GMT
Don’t agree with Diouf being included in the list of wasters. I class him in the same category as Bojan....players who for whatever reason did not fit into the manager’s plans. Diouf lost form but he contributed a lot to this club. I wouldn’t actually be upset if he was back in the team. Definitely not a waster Great attitude, very nice guy. Absolutely needs to leave though
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 10, 2019 13:56:36 GMT
Diouf to juventos
All the rest to fray bentos
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 10, 2019 21:42:11 GMT
Don’t agree with Diouf being included in the list of wasters. I class him in the same category as Bojan....players who for whatever reason did not fit into the manager’s plans. Diouf lost form but he contributed a lot to this club. I wouldn’t actually be upset if he was back in the team. Definitely not a waster Great attitude, very nice guy. Absolutely needs to leave though Yes he does, but because he doesn't fit in and has lost form (though form can come back).
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 11, 2019 9:19:16 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 11, 2019 9:55:52 GMT
A better choice than Charlton that’s for sure. 😂
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Post by wilcopotter on Aug 11, 2019 19:16:43 GMT
The team playing his wages less than 10 miles away and he can’t be bothered to watch them. Everything about what’s been wrong with our recruitment that we have record signings that didn’t/don’t seem to care about the hand that feeds.
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Post by serpico on Aug 11, 2019 19:25:49 GMT
Pound for pound was wimmer our worst premiership signing ?
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Post by AlliG on Aug 11, 2019 19:31:40 GMT
Pound for pound was wimmer our worst premiership signing ? Is that pound (£) for pound (£) or pound (£) for pound (lb) or even pound (lb) for pound (lb) ? Whichever, the answer is yes.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 11, 2019 19:40:01 GMT
Every time you see £15m and Wimmer in the same sentence really brings home just what a clusterfuck these last 3 seasons have been. That deal alone should have meant instant dismissal to all who were involved, absolutely mind boggling. Whatever shit deals Stoke do in the future I can't see any replacing that one at the top of the shit pile.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 11, 2019 19:47:33 GMT
Does anyone else, when they see that smug, fat face, have the incredibly overpowering urge to punch Wimmer repeatedly and very hard?
It's a good thing that my job stops me following through with it.
That man is everything that is wrong with the game right now, in human form.
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Post by stantheman on Aug 11, 2019 19:55:41 GMT
Pound for pound was wimmer our worst premiership signing ? Saido by a Country mile as Wimmer hasn't made the front page of every tabloid for the multitude of sins Saido has
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 11, 2019 20:01:14 GMT
Pound for pound was wimmer our worst premiership signing ? Saido by a Country mile as Wimmer hasn't made the front page of every tabloid for the multitude of sins Saido has Saido is the bigger wanker but that wasn't the question. Saido has talent, he fails to use it and is thick as pig shit but there is no doubting he has talent. At £12m you could argue that he was a risk that may have paid off if a manager could connect with him. Wimmer is just a fucking awful footballer.
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Post by serpico on Aug 11, 2019 20:01:49 GMT
I think we actually paid 18 million not 15 😬
One of the good things about Pulis was his background checks on players, ok it wasn’t 100% foolproof but those last 2 seasons under Hughes we signed way too many expensive bad eggs!
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Post by serpico on Aug 11, 2019 20:05:16 GMT
Saido by a Country mile as Wimmer hasn't made the front page of every tabloid for the multitude of sins Saido has Saido is the bigger wanker but that wasn't the question. Saido has talent, he fails to use it and is thick as pig shit but there is no doubting he has talent. At £12m you could argue that he was a risk that may have paid off if a manager could connect with him. Wimmer is just a fucking awful footballer. Certainly the biggest wanker we signed, absolutely no respect for the club whatsoever. I think I’m right in saying Berihinos best season came at West Brom when he was partnered with lukaku ? I don’t think we ever knew how to best utilise him.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 11, 2019 20:08:30 GMT
The team playing his wages less than 10 miles away and he can’t be bothered to watch them. Everything about what’s been wrong with our recruitment that we have record signings that didn’t/don’t seem to care about the hand that feeds. Plenty to criticise Wimmer for but come on it really cant have been made any more clear to him we want him to flock off, they havent even bothered to get him to train with the u-23s, its his day off and he can spend it with his mates if he wants.
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Post by serpico on Aug 11, 2019 20:12:46 GMT
The team playing his wages less than 10 miles away and he can’t be bothered to watch them. Everything about what’s been wrong with our recruitment that we have record signings that didn’t/don’t seem to care about the hand that feeds. Plenty to criticise Wimmer for but come on it really cant have been made any more clear to him we want him to flock off, they havent even bothered to get him to train with the u-23s, its his day off and he can spend it with his mates if he wants.[/u][/b] Saturday is his day off! That says it all 😄
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