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Post by BraveSirRobin on Aug 7, 2019 8:58:00 GMT
He is (dreadful mistake at the weekend aside) but we desperately need the money because we are up to our eyes in deadwood wages contributing to our FFP limits preventing business. Butland is about the one good player we have who would go for good money but who is also a little bit expendable and accommodations were made for his departure. He won’t go for good money as we’ve seen! Why? Because in my opinion he’s an average Championship goalie who isn’t as good as he thinks he is.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 7, 2019 8:58:00 GMT
Hi there. Villa fan here and thought i'd sign up to give some info on Hogan. He was on the verge of joining west ham but they pulled out with 2 days to go in the january window, i believe we signed him without any thought as we were panicking about not going straight back up. For a long time villa fans made excuses for him. His movement was world class, he needs service, bruce tactics don't help him. Yet as time went on all of these started to disappear. Kodjia, Grabban and Abraham were all able to score goals for us, Hogan has never looked like doing it. He is pretty fast, nothing amazing, and will work hard. That's where it ends. If you look at detailed stats, he barely touches the ball in games. He really struggles to get involved. Again, if you look at stats, his passing is woeful. His first touch is poor and he is not a forward who will link up play well. His finishing has been average to poor at villa, his one short spell of scoring at Brentford is starting to look more and more of a one off. Sheff utd had him on loan and went up and with that extra money had no interest in signing him. His one good spell came under Dean Smith at Brentford and when Dean Smith became manager, he loaned him out 2 months later and clearly has no interest keeping him. That speaks volumes to me. He needs to play on a regular basis and maybe something will click and it works out for you guys but in all honesty that's based on just blind hope at this point. He is on big wages so if the rumours of you paying 50% are true you will be forking out around £25,000 a week on him. I wish him luck, he tries hard and seems a decent guy. Its not his fault we paid so much and he isn't good enough. Anyway good luck for the season, just thought i'd share some info. Oh also pretty gutted we didn't get butland. That 3rd paragraph is exactly what happens here with Allen It's beyond excuses now with Joe Allen, it's pure delusion about what he actually does and contributes.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2019 8:59:54 GMT
He won’t go for good money as we’ve seen! Why? Because he’s an average Championship goalie who isn’t as good as he thinks he is. Do we know what Villa offered, or were intending to offer? We wanted 20-25 million to account for his 20% profit sell clause. And we didn't get it...... And we don't look like we're going to either.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2019 9:00:28 GMT
He won’t go for good money as we’ve seen! Why? Because in my opinion he’s an average Championship goalie who isn’t as good as he thinks he is. He proved it last season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 9:00:41 GMT
Doesn't touch the ball much, and has a awful first touch, fuck me he’s the White Afobe!!
Good old saying..... sign shit and you end up shit. Nobody was more optimistic than me this season but fuck me stoke you ain’t half quickly knocked the optimism out of me
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 7, 2019 9:02:38 GMT
Do we know what Villa offered, or were intending to offer? We wanted 20-25 million to account for his 20% profit sell clause. And we didn't get it...... And we don't look like we're going to either. Yeah I was just curious, because it's reaching the stage with our outgoing transfers I'd consider anything above 10-12 "good money".
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 7, 2019 9:05:28 GMT
It'd be nice to think we were at least open to looking at Germany, France, Holland or indeed anywhere outside the bottom 3 leagues of England. I don’t think he is interested in the foreign market or young prem players on loan and he appears to have put himself in a straight jacket player recruitment wise. Quite worryingly really. Yeah - not saying it can't work, and suppose it did for Sheff Utd (and Pulis) to a degree (although Wilder's achievement in getting them up was amazing) But consciously going down the Rowett route of solid British pros of a certain age does mean you're fishing in a needlessly shallow pond and limiting your options - but he must think it's the way to go. Not really what I was expecting, but clearly the Stacey/Justin focus only told a bit of the Luton-Jones story. If there's anything in this Izzy Brown link, it'd at least show a slight widening of approach.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2019 9:05:49 GMT
And we didn't get it...... And we don't look like we're going to either. Yeah I was just curious, because it's reaching the stage with our outgoing transfers I'd consider anything above 10-12 "good money". I think that's poor given his reputation. But I wouldn't touch him even for 10m tbh.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 7, 2019 9:15:43 GMT
I don’t think he is interested in the foreign market or young prem players on loan and he appears to have put himself in a straight jacket player recruitment wise. Quite worryingly really. Yeah - not saying it can't work, and suppose it did for Sheff Utd (and Pulis) to a degree (although Wilder's achievement in getting them up was amazing) But consciously going down the Rowett route of solid British pros of a certain age does mean you're fishing in a needlessly shallow pond and limiting your options - but he must think it's the way to go. Not really what I was expecting, but clearly the Stacey/Justin focus only told a bit of the Luton-Jones story. If there's anything in this Izzy Brown link, it'd at least show a slight widening of approach. 22 is barely doing that and still fits the British and not needed category.
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 7, 2019 9:16:04 GMT
Do we know what Villa offered, or were intending to offer? We wanted 20-25 million to account for his 20% profit sell clause. And we didn't get it...... And we don't look like we're going to either. I wonder if Butland was one of the ones that Scholes moved the goalposts on. I can see that perhaps we accepted a bid circa 17m then went back to Villa for more Only a guess though
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 9:17:36 GMT
Hi there. Villa fan here and thought i'd sign up to give some info on Hogan. He was on the verge of joining west ham but they pulled out with 2 days to go in the january window, i believe we signed him without any thought as we were panicking about not going straight back up. For a long time villa fans made excuses for him. His movement was world class, he needs service, bruce tactics don't help him. Yet as time went on all of these started to disappear. Kodjia, Grabban and Abraham were all able to score goals for us, Hogan has never looked like doing it. He is pretty fast, nothing amazing, and will work hard. That's where it ends. If you look at detailed stats, he barely touches the ball in games. He really struggles to get involved. Again, if you look at stats, his passing is woeful. His first touch is poor and he is not a forward who will link up play well. His finishing has been average to poor at villa, his one short spell of scoring at Brentford is starting to look more and more of a one off. Sheff utd had him on loan and went up and with that extra money had no interest in signing him. His one good spell came under Dean Smith at Brentford and when Dean Smith became manager, he loaned him out 2 months later and clearly has no interest keeping him. That speaks volumes to me. He needs to play on a regular basis and maybe something will click and it works out for you guys but in all honesty that's based on just blind hope at this point. He is on big wages so if the rumours of you paying 50% are true you will be forking out around £25,000 a week on him. I wish him luck, he tries hard and seems a decent guy. Its not his fault we paid so much and he isn't good enough. Anyway good luck for the season, just thought i'd share some info. Oh also pretty gutted we didn't get butland. Thanks for that. I think.
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Post by mrred on Aug 7, 2019 9:18:44 GMT
Spoken to a Villa fan who says your season will be a whole lot more miserable if we sign him.
That said we didn't do too bad either the last keeper we had from them.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 7, 2019 9:24:25 GMT
Yeah - not saying it can't work, and suppose it did for Sheff Utd (and Pulis) to a degree (although Wilder's achievement in getting them up was amazing) But consciously going down the Rowett route of solid British pros of a certain age does mean you're fishing in a needlessly shallow pond and limiting your options - but he must think it's the way to go. Not really what I was expecting, but clearly the Stacey/Justin focus only told a bit of the Luton-Jones story. If there's anything in this Izzy Brown link, it'd at least show a slight widening of approach. 22 is barely doing that and still fits the British and not needed category. I did say 'slight' . Baby steps and all that!
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Post by pavel on Aug 7, 2019 9:28:24 GMT
I don’t think he is interested in the foreign market or young prem players on loan and he appears to have put himself in a straight jacket player recruitment wise. Quite worryingly really. Yeah - not saying it can't work, and suppose it did for Sheff Utd (and Pulis) to a degree (although Wilder's achievement in getting them up was amazing) But consciously going down the Rowett route of solid British pros of a certain age does mean you're fishing in a needlessly shallow pond and limiting your options - but he must think it's the way to go. Not really what I was expecting, but clearly the Stacey/Justin focus only told a bit of the Luton-Jones story. If there's anything in this Izzy Brown link, it'd at least show a slight widening of approach. Yeah the Stacey/Justin story seems to be as you say. Feel I got carried away with the hype/story and have been blind-sided!!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 7, 2019 9:56:32 GMT
Exactly the same as we have bizzare scouting When did we scout him? We will have watched him at least 25 times !!!
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 7, 2019 11:07:24 GMT
I find it utterly bizarre that a striker who is 27 and only ever played just over 100 League games and scored less than 50 League goals in his career could be on a reported 50 grand a week!!!!!!
Unbelievable.
His injury record is shocking.
We are signing a lottery winner if this is true.
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Post by robboleek on Aug 7, 2019 11:12:48 GMT
I find it utterly bizarre that a striker who is 27 and only ever played just over 100 League games and scored less than 50 League goals in his career could be on a reported 50 grand a week!!!!!! Unbelievable. His injury record is shocking. We are signing a lottery winner if this is true. This !
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Post by s7oke on Aug 7, 2019 11:18:21 GMT
Spoke to my friend a villa season ticket holder Says hogans legs are made of pringles as he’s always injured and when he does play he needs ALOT of chances to score a goal. ! In his opinion he would be glad to see him gone
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Post by Meirparkstokie on Aug 7, 2019 11:18:55 GMT
I think this is the first time I’m praying Chopper doesn’t pop up with a post saying it’s a done deal...
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Post by jeycov on Aug 7, 2019 11:20:45 GMT
We really don’t need to “panic buy” History shows that several last minute deals haven’t worked out
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 7, 2019 11:21:12 GMT
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Post by neddy on Aug 7, 2019 11:25:13 GMT
This will be a throw of the dice won’t it! Personally I would have given Campbell a chance....
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Post by jimmygscfc on Aug 7, 2019 11:26:49 GMT
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Aug 7, 2019 11:27:08 GMT
Why the fuck do we need another average forward, we already have a plethora of wank average with Diouf, Afobe and Vokes, and we've not seen enough of Gregory or Campbell so the jury is out for them as well. Why not spend the money on a decent left back or midfielder FFS! Gouranga.
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Post by etebojan on Aug 7, 2019 11:28:00 GMT
Hogan Loan because of bids in for Afobe?
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Post by melbournestokie21 on Aug 7, 2019 11:29:19 GMT
Why the fuck do we need another average forward, we already have a plethora of wank average with Diouf, Afobe and Vokes, and we've not seen enough of Gregory or Campbell so the jury is out for them as well. Why not spend the money on a decent left back or midfielder FFS! Gouranga. Yeah weve already got enough average strikers so why go out and try. Why bother. Why not just spend all the money on a 20 goal a season left back, thats sure to work. Some of you lot on here honestly
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 7, 2019 11:31:10 GMT
Hogan Loan because of bids in for Afobe? Who on earth would be in for him though? And be willing to pay him well over £1m-a-year for the next 3 yrs? Can't think of any clubs who'd be mad enough - as well as paying what would by the standards of the clubs who'd have any interest be a very big fee for a badly misfiring striker. If true, just hope it's not Campbell.
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Post by etebojan on Aug 7, 2019 11:35:13 GMT
Hogan Loan because of bids in for Afobe? Who on earth would be in for him though? And be willing to pay him well over £1m-a-year for the next 3 yrs? Can't think of any clubs who'd be mad enough - as well as paying what would by the standards of the clubs who'd have any interest be a very big fee for a badly misfiring striker. If true, just hope it's not Campbell. His previous post hints at a Dutch team perhaps...
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 7, 2019 11:35:19 GMT
Why the fuck do we need another average forward, we already have a plethora of wank average with Diouf, Afobe and Vokes, and we've not seen enough of Gregory or Campbell so the jury is out for them as well. Why not spend the money on a decent left back or midfielder FFS! Gouranga. Yeah weve already got enough average strikers so why go out and try. Why bother. Why not just spend all the money on a 20 goal a season left back, thats sure to work. Some of you lot on here honestly A left back is way more important than a striker at this point. People need to stop looking at a striker as a magic wand.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 7, 2019 11:36:49 GMT
Who on earth would be in for him though? And be willing to pay him well over £1m-a-year for the next 3 yrs? Can't think of any clubs who'd be mad enough - as well as paying what would by the standards of the clubs who'd have any interest be a very big fee for a badly misfiring striker. If true, just hope it's not Campbell. His previous post hints at a Dutch team perhaps... oh...that's interesting.
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