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Post by musik on Jul 29, 2019 20:10:45 GMT
What are your thoughts on Cryonic?
Cryonic is freezing of the body, to normally -196°C, after the death.
The hope is to be brought back to life in 100-200 years perhaps, if it's possible due to medical advanced techniques.
Normally the whole body is put into the freezer, but if you just choose the head you get a 30% discount.
Cryonic of the whole body is said to cost approx $50.000.
And there are no guarantees.
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 29, 2019 20:33:24 GMT
Check out Dennis Potter. He banged these two on the subject, whilst he was dying of cancer.
£&#& I miss his work...
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Post by lordb on Jul 29, 2019 20:45:13 GMT
It's bonkers.
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Post by telfordstoke on Jul 29, 2019 20:48:40 GMT
I can’t get Demolition Man out of my head. I suspect cells will still deteriorate when in cryo so OST probably a lot of investment for little return. Having said that, Dead is dead . As you can tell, I can’t make my mind up on this one
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Jul 29, 2019 21:10:30 GMT
What are your thoughts on Cryonic? Cryonic is freezing of the body, to normally -196°C, after the death. The hope is to be brought back to life in 100-200 years perhaps, if it's possible due to medical advanced techniques. Normally the whole body is put into the freezer, but if you just choose the head you get a 30% discount. Cryonic of the whole body is said to cost approx $50.000. And there are no guarantees. I'm actually more interested in why you decided on this topic for a thread. Have you been reading random Wikipedia suggestions? |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jul 29, 2019 21:31:36 GMT
Lat time I saw something on this about five years ago, the process was destroying cells, which would mean that any potential for future thawing and revival was zero. There were still plenty of people still willing to throw money into the bin to take part though...
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Post by musik on Jul 29, 2019 21:36:19 GMT
What are your thoughts on Cryonic? Cryonic is freezing of the body, to normally -196°C, after the death. The hope is to be brought back to life in 100-200 years perhaps, if it's possible due to medical advanced techniques. Normally the whole body is put into the freezer, but if you just choose the head you get a 30% discount. Cryonic of the whole body is said to cost approx $50.000. And there are no guarantees. I'm actually more interested in why you decided on this topic for a thread. Have you been reading random Wikipedia suggestions? What is that? No I'm seriously interested in this. Today I took a 3.5 km long walk to the University's Biomedical Library here, even though it was extremely hot, just to copy a 7 pages article on this, from a study in Germany. In 1967 James Bedford professor in psychology was the first person to be put in a freezer. Since then the technique has developed and now something called vitrification (heparine injected at once) is used to prevent ice crystals to develop which would cause harm to the tissues. There's a rumour Michael Jackson has been put in such a tube. I don't know about that though. I read somewhere there are just 3 companies within cryonic and in one of those (the most famous perhaps) only 70 people are lying/standing. I'm interested in this in many ways. Questions arise. Why are these people so afraid of dying? Are they convinced death is the end? How hopeful are they it will actually work? |
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Post by mattyd on Jul 29, 2019 21:58:21 GMT
Leaves me a bit cold to be honest.
But if anyone can prove it works I may warm to the idea.
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Post by musik on Jul 29, 2019 22:02:07 GMT
Leaves me a bit cold to be honest. cold 😁 |
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Post by foster on Jul 30, 2019 5:18:13 GMT
I can’t get Demolition Man out of my head. I suspect cells will still deteriorate when in cryo so OST probably a lot of investment for little return. Having said that, Dead is dead . As you can tell, I can’t make my mind up on this one He doesn't know how to use the 3 seashells. Great film. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 30, 2019 5:41:04 GMT
What are your thoughts on Cryonic? Cryonic is freezing of the body, to normally -196°C, after the death. The hope is to be brought back to life in 100-200 years perhaps, if it's possible due to medical advanced techniques. Normally the whole body is put into the freezer, but if you just choose the head you get a 30% discount. Cryonic of the whole body is said to cost approx $50.000. And there are no guarantees. I’d love to freeze the wife then in 100 years bring her back to unleash the moaning cow on the man of the future 😎 |
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Post by teddytunstall on Jul 30, 2019 5:48:21 GMT
There is another method now being pushed - the body is dissolved using chemicals them flushed down the pan.
It is supposed to be more environmentally friendly than other ways of disposal or interment.
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Post by musik on Jul 30, 2019 6:43:16 GMT
There is another method now being pushed - the body is dissolved using chemicals them flushed down the pan. It is supposed to be more environmentally friendly than other ways of disposal or interment. Wouldn't the revival part be kind of tricky? Your post reminded me of the band Flash and the Pan, and a cd from -78 I must get. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 31, 2019 9:55:28 GMT
It's an interesting concept, albeit one that currently can't solve the problem of brain death and reanimation. Because you can only be frozen once your declared clincially dead, so unless they can find a way to reactivate the brain and all its connections in the future, there isn't much point in doing the big freeze.
That said, the cells of the body will likely be fantastically maintained, it's regular procedure in my work to freeze down animal and human primary cell lines in liquid nitrogen for many months and then to bring them back up and grow them. As long as the cells are slowly cooled and in cyroprotectants (which would probably be toxic in the quantity/concentration required to freeze down an entire body) to prevent ice crystal formation, you can freeze cells down for years and they will still be viable post-thaw.
Just the other day I raised some sensory neurons that were isolated in 2014.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 31, 2019 10:01:42 GMT
Atm I'd have to agree, in the future who knows . |
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 31, 2019 10:06:23 GMT
It's an interesting concept, albeit one that currently can't solve the problem of brain death and reanimation. Because you can only be frozen once your declared clincially dead, so unless they can find a way to reactivate the brain and all its connections in the future, there isn't much point in doing the big freeze. That said, the cells of the body will likely be fantastically maintained, it's regular procedure in my work to freeze down animal and human primary cell lines in liquid nitrogen for many months and then to bring them back up and grow them. As long as the cells are slowly cooled and in cyroprotectants (which would probably be toxic in the quantity/concentration required to freeze down an entire body) to prevent ice crystal formation, you can freeze cells down for years and they will still be viable post-thaw. Just the other day I raised some sensory neurons that were isolated in 2014. 😬 are you Dr Frankenstein 😁 what a fascinating job that sounds ☢ |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 31, 2019 10:14:06 GMT
It's an interesting concept, albeit one that currently can't solve the problem of brain death and reanimation. Because you can only be frozen once your declared clincially dead, so unless they can find a way to reactivate the brain and all its connections in the future, there isn't much point in doing the big freeze. That said, the cells of the body will likely be fantastically maintained, it's regular procedure in my work to freeze down animal and human primary cell lines in liquid nitrogen for many months and then to bring them back up and grow them. As long as the cells are slowly cooled and in cyroprotectants (which would probably be toxic in the quantity/concentration required to freeze down an entire body) to prevent ice crystal formation, you can freeze cells down for years and they will still be viable post-thaw. Just the other day I raised some sensory neurons that were isolated in 2014. 😬 are you Dr Frankenstein 😁 what a fascinating job that sounds ☢ Haha, not quite! It's fairly standard practice across most pre-clinical research and bio-medical institutes. It's the first proving ground for testing most new drugs and what their effects are, good or bad etc before moving into animal models and eventually human clinical trials. Contrary to a lot of propaganda out there, animals are never at the front line of testing new drugs at least here and across Europe anyway. If something is toxic in cell lines it's not allowed to then be tested on animals as there is no justification for it. A lot are taken from hospital biopsies and those who donate their bodies to medical research (especially cancer cells as they just grow and grow without stopping, so called Immortalised Cell lines). I work primarily in Chemotherapy Pain so I work a lot with neurons which you can only really get from post-mortem tissue. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeLa that's the first "cell line" ever developed and it's a fascinating story too in truth, a key moment in the development of medical ethics. |
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Post by yeokel on Jul 31, 2019 10:42:35 GMT
It's an interesting concept, albeit one that currently can't solve the problem of brain death and reanimation. Because you can only be frozen once your declared clincially dead, so unless they can find a way to reactivate the brain and all its connections in the future, there isn't much point in doing the big freeze. That said, the cells of the body will likely be fantastically maintained, it's regular procedure in my work to freeze down animal and human primary cell lines in liquid nitrogen for many months and then to bring them back up and grow them. As long as the cells are slowly cooled and in cyroprotectants (which would probably be toxic in the quantity/concentration required to freeze down an entire body) to prevent ice crystal formation, you can freeze cells down for years and they will still be viable post-thaw. Just the other day I raised some sensory neurons that were isolated in 2014. This reminds me of a time I was taking a parcel down to our local Interlink depot. In front of me in the queue was a bloke with a giant Thermos flask (for want of a better name for it) who, at one point, took the lid off and had a glance in. As he did so, all this smoke, dry ice, liquid nitrogen or whatever started pouring out over the sides. And then he put the top back on again. “What’s in there” I asked, conversationally. “Horse sperm” he replied. I wished I hadn’t bloody asked! |
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Post by musik on Jul 31, 2019 11:00:28 GMT
It's an interesting concept, albeit one that currently can't solve the problem of brain death and reanimation. Because you can only be frozen once your declared clincially dead, so unless they can find a way to reactivate the brain and all its connections in the future, there isn't much point in doing the big freeze. That said, the cells of the body will likely be fantastically maintained, it's regular procedure in my work to freeze down animal and human primary cell lines in liquid nitrogen for many months and then to bring them back up and grow them. As long as the cells are slowly cooled and in cyroprotectants (which would probably be toxic in the quantity/concentration required to freeze down an entire body) to prevent ice crystal formation, you can freeze cells down for years and they will still be viable post-thaw. Just the other day I raised some sensory neurons that were isolated in 2014. 👍 Thanks for your reply! Yes. It's obviously for the future, if so. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 31, 2019 11:01:05 GMT
It's an interesting concept, albeit one that currently can't solve the problem of brain death and reanimation. Because you can only be frozen once your declared clincially dead, so unless they can find a way to reactivate the brain and all its connections in the future, there isn't much point in doing the big freeze. That said, the cells of the body will likely be fantastically maintained, it's regular procedure in my work to freeze down animal and human primary cell lines in liquid nitrogen for many months and then to bring them back up and grow them. As long as the cells are slowly cooled and in cyroprotectants (which would probably be toxic in the quantity/concentration required to freeze down an entire body) to prevent ice crystal formation, you can freeze cells down for years and they will still be viable post-thaw. Just the other day I raised some sensory neurons that were isolated in 2014. This reminds me of a time I was taking a parcel down to our local Interlink depot. In front of me in the queue was a bloke with a giant Thermos flask (for want of a better name for it) who, at one point, took the lid off and had a glance in. As he did so, all this smoke, dry ice, liquid nitrogen or whatever started pouring out over the sides. And then he put the top back on again. “What’s in there” I asked, conversationally. “Horse sperm” he replied. I wished I hadn’t bloody asked! The first cell line I ever worked on was sent via second class post wrapped in about 30 layers of sellotape.  |
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