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Post by crapslinger on Dec 23, 2019 20:29:55 GMT
Four professional football managers have spoken including the one who signed him or are they all wrong ? Let's slate him then. That should work. It's not like he'll be coming into an atmosphere more toxic than Chernobyl anyway. Let's make it worse. It's a football forum for discussing Stoke City and it's players why would Josh Tymon be reading it ?, I am pointing out a fact four managers have not rated him, from what I have seen of him I personally don't think they are wrong, just my opinion you rate him I take it ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 20:34:06 GMT
What next welcome back Bauer, Wimmer and Imbula the sound of an out of depth manager clutching at straws, sorry the lad is not good enough surely Mr three fourth place finishes, Lambert, Rowett and Jones can't all be wrong or can they ? not looking promising for January is it. He might not have been good enough against the likes of Chelse and Manure, but does that automatically mean he's not good enough for bottom Championship and L1 which is where we might well play next season? As for Rowett and Jones I dont know that they have been much right with anything, have they?
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 23, 2019 20:42:22 GMT
What next welcome back Bauer, Wimmer and Imbula the sound of an out of depth manager clutching at straws, sorry the lad is not good enough surely Mr three fourth place finishes, Lambert, Rowett and Jones can't all be wrong or can they ? not looking promising for January is it. He might not have been good enough against the likes of Chelse and Manure, but does that automatically mean he's not good enough for bottom Championship and L1 which is where we might well play next season? As for Rowett and Jones I dont know that they have been much right with anything, have they? Hughes who signed him obviously didn't rate him neither did Lambert, he did play in the Championship pretty much when we were in the bottom half, Jones took him off at half time against Preston because he was been taken apart.
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Post by rawli on Dec 23, 2019 20:50:18 GMT
Let's slate him then. That should work. It's not like he'll be coming into an atmosphere more toxic than Chernobyl anyway. Let's make it worse. It's a football forum for discussing Stoke City and it's players why would Josh Tymon be reading it ?, I am pointing out a fact four managers have not rated him, from what I have seen of him I personally don't think they are wrong, just my opinion you rate him I take it ? I've seen him for 43 minutes. He was crap in that game. He then had the unnecessary humiliation of being hooked 2 minutes before half time. And I'm not on about him reading this. I'm on about the general toxicity that surrounds anything to do with this club and the pile on that takes place on here.
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 23, 2019 20:53:40 GMT
It's a football forum for discussing Stoke City and it's players why would Josh Tymon be reading it ?, I am pointing out a fact four managers have not rated him, from what I have seen of him I personally don't think they are wrong, just my opinion you rate him I take it ? I've seen him for 43 minutes. He was crap in that game. He then had the unnecessary humiliation of being hooked 2 minutes before half time. And I'm not on about him reading this. I'm on about the general toxicity that surrounds anything to do with this club and the pile on that takes place on here. I'm more confident about him being better than ward, anyway. It can't be much worse, can it? Smith is crap too. Performed well for half a game, then his big chance and he's once again shit. I despair. Surely Bauer is much better than this shit?
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Dec 23, 2019 21:12:52 GMT
Playing a few games for a team fourth in the Primeira Liga can't have done him any harm.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Dec 23, 2019 21:13:19 GMT
He's been horrendous in every game I've seen him play. Maybe his loan and extra game time has done him good. However I have as much faith in him having made a magical transformation as I have in Tom Edwards realising his 'potential'.
Given how shite we've been though I guess it makes sense for O'Neill to want to take a look at everyone, particularly in a major problem position.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 23, 2019 21:25:05 GMT
It's a football forum for discussing Stoke City and it's players why would Josh Tymon be reading it ?, I am pointing out a fact four managers have not rated him, from what I have seen of him I personally don't think they are wrong, just my opinion you rate him I take it ? I've seen him for 43 minutes. He was crap in that game. He then had the unnecessary humiliation of being hooked 2 minutes before half time. And I'm not on about him reading this. I'm on about the general toxicity that surrounds anything to do with this club and the pile on that takes place on here. Let's see how it turns out then, to think we sold Pieters for £1m who despite the crap he got on here was 100 times a better LB than McClean, ward or Tymon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 7:47:01 GMT
He might not have been good enough against the likes of Chelse and Manure, but does that automatically mean he's not good enough for bottom Championship and L1 which is where we might well play next season? As for Rowett and Jones I dont know that they have been much right with anything, have they? Hughes who signed him obviously didn't rate him neither did Lambert, he did play in the Championship pretty much when we were in the bottom half, Jones took him off at half time against Preston because he was been taken apart. Hughes signed him as a teenager and at the time we still had Pieters, so obviously the more experienced player was chosen more often; it doesn't mean that Hughes had no intentions of never using him. Jones put Tymon into the unprotected diamond left back position and not for the first or the last time the position was "taken apart". He did not play in the Championship apart from those 43 minutes, but as I have already stated above, he's now under new management and that means his slate is wiped clean. He's just unfortunate that some Stoke supporters are unable to wipe and will never forget nor forgive mistakes made in the past, and you're obviously one of those just like Hackett and others.
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Post by shrewspotter on Dec 24, 2019 8:46:47 GMT
He might not have been good enough against the likes of Chelse and Manure, but does that automatically mean he's not good enough for bottom Championship and L1 which is where we might well play next season? As for Rowett and Jones I dont know that they have been much right with anything, have they? Hughes who signed him obviously didn't rate him neither did Lambert, he did play in the Championship pretty much when we were in the bottom half, Jones took him off at half time against Preston because he was been taken apart. i didn’t follow it too closely but he did pretty well in Portugal didn’t he? As a young player they do improve generally so in my opinion with our current crop of crap players he’s worth a shot Chelsea fans used to say Mo Salah was useless, 1 transfer to Italy and 1 to Liverpool and he’s now a 100 million pound player
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Post by ursemboys on Dec 24, 2019 9:47:35 GMT
Four professional football managers have spoken including the one who signed him or are they all wrong ? Let's slate him then. That should work. It's not like he'll be coming into an atmosphere more toxic than Chernobyl anyway. Let's make it worse. In all the years I have supported this club this is the worst disconnection I have ever seen between fans and Players, even under Ball there was still a connection with most of the players, Prem league has damaged this club and fans, we have lost our identity, you only have to listen to ex players to see this, we always used be the Extra man when things got tough now we are the grim reaper waiting in the stands.
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Post by ursemboys on Dec 24, 2019 9:51:04 GMT
Hughes who signed him obviously didn't rate him neither did Lambert, he did play in the Championship pretty much when we were in the bottom half, Jones took him off at half time against Preston because he was been taken apart. Hughes signed him as a teenager and at the time we still had Pieters, so obviously the more experienced player was chosen more often; it doesn't mean that Hughes had no intentions of never using him. Jones put Tymon into the unprotected diamond left back position and not for the first or the last time the position was "taken apart". He did not play in the Championship apart from those 43 minutes, but as I have already stated above, he's now under new management and that means his slate is wiped clean. He's just unfortunate that some Stoke supporters are unable to wipe and will never forget nor forgive mistakes made in the past, and you're obviously one of those just like Hackett and others. Thats Rubbish we always forgave Bojan when he played poor or did nowt
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Post by thevoid on Dec 24, 2019 10:14:46 GMT
We're saved! Tymon's back 😂
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 24, 2019 10:27:57 GMT
Hughes who signed him obviously didn't rate him neither did Lambert, he did play in the Championship pretty much when we were in the bottom half, Jones took him off at half time against Preston because he was been taken apart. Hughes signed him as a teenager and at the time we still had Pieters, so obviously the more experienced player was chosen more often; it doesn't mean that Hughes had no intentions of never using him. Jones put Tymon into the unprotected diamond left back position and not for the first or the last time the position was "taken apart". He did not play in the Championship apart from those 43 minutes, but as I have already stated above, he's now under new management and that means his slate is wiped clean. He's just unfortunate that some Stoke supporters are unable to wipe and will never forget nor forgive mistakes made in the past, and you're obviously one of those just like Hackett and others. His loan may have been the making of him and I don't have a problem with O'Neil taking a look and giving him a chance if he thinks he can improve the first 11. But get real - he was no where near Championship standard when he played last and he will have to have improved a hell of a lot to get a recall.
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Post by potterpaul on Dec 24, 2019 10:38:28 GMT
Let's slate him then. That should work. It's not like he'll be coming into an atmosphere more toxic than Chernobyl anyway. Let's make it worse. It's a football forum for discussing Stoke City and it's players why would Josh Tymon be reading it ?, I am pointing out a fact four managers have not rated him, from what I have seen of him I personally don't think they are wrong, just my opinion you rate him I take it ? Can we really trust the opinions of the last 3/4 managers They all rated Allen and all got the same result Each have,at some time favoured poorer players over better Bojan, Verlinden, Collins,Badou, Etebo All have failed miserably at purchasing a leftback and to some extent a rightback. Currently 'A Stoke City managers rating of players' really means fuck all
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 11:16:28 GMT
Hughes signed him as a teenager and at the time we still had Pieters, so obviously the more experienced player was chosen more often; it doesn't mean that Hughes had no intentions of never using him. Jones put Tymon into the unprotected diamond left back position and not for the first or the last time the position was "taken apart". He did not play in the Championship apart from those 43 minutes, but as I have already stated above, he's now under new management and that means his slate is wiped clean. He's just unfortunate that some Stoke supporters are unable to wipe and will never forget nor forgive mistakes made in the past, and you're obviously one of those just like Hackett and others. His loan may have been the making of him and I don't have a problem with O'Neil taking a look and giving him a chance if he thinks he can improve the first 11. But get real - he was no where near Championship standard when he played last and he will have to have improved a hell of a lot to get a recall. I look at his potential rather than short lived bad experiences. I blame Jones for playing Tymon in a diamond that neither player nor manager seemed to understand. I'd like to see him given a stretch of games to find his rhythm in the team, though obviously a relegation dogfight is not ideal for that, which is why I was hoping that O'Neill would be allowed to make a lb signing/loan a priority. But if he is denied, then Tymon and Ward are all we can rely on. We can't really expect Ward to become a better player at his age, but we can try to sustain and support Tymon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 11:23:58 GMT
Hughes who signed him obviously didn't rate him neither did Lambert, he did play in the Championship pretty much when we were in the bottom half, Jones took him off at half time against Preston because he was been taken apart. i didn’t follow it too closely but he did pretty well in Portugal didn’t he? As a young player they do improve generally so in my opinion with our current crop of crap players he’s worth a shot Chelsea fans used to say Mo Salah was useless, 1 transfer to Italy and 1 to Liverpool and he’s now a 100 million pound player He started well but he was cover for an injured international player. When said player came back, Tymon was dropped, and all the so-called Stoke supporters rubbed their hands and proclaimed that they were right all along: he can't even do it in the Portugal league, disregarding that he actually did rather well for the five games that he did play. Now I like the Salah story, but even I don't expect to see a Stokie analogue developing.
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Post by chigstoke on Dec 24, 2019 11:27:52 GMT
We're saved! Tymon's back 😂 He can run, which is a start as none of the other fuckers in the team can.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 24, 2019 12:23:22 GMT
His loan may have been the making of him and I don't have a problem with O'Neil taking a look and giving him a chance if he thinks he can improve the first 11. But get real - he was no where near Championship standard when he played last and he will have to have improved a hell of a lot to get a recall. I look at his potential rather than short lived bad experiences. I blame Jones for playing Tymon in a diamond that neither player nor manager seemed to understand. I'd like to see him given a stretch of games to find his rhythm in the team, though obviously a relegation dogfight is not ideal for that, which is why I was hoping that O'Neill would be allowed to make a lb signing/loan a priority. But if he is denied, then Tymon and Ward are all we can rely on. We can't really expect Ward to become a better player at his age, but we can try to sustain and support Tymon. The first team isn't there as a nursing ground for young players. He needs to demonstrate in training whether he deserves a place in the first team. On the day if he isn't a better option than Ward he doesn't play. He came us with a good reputation but every time I've seen him play he's been abysmal so for me any "potential" is purely theoritical. Edwards is struggling but I can still see the potential. Collins is raw but definitely has potential. But Tymon? Sorry not seen it. Yet.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 24, 2019 12:42:03 GMT
I look at his potential rather than short lived bad experiences. I blame Jones for playing Tymon in a diamond that neither player nor manager seemed to understand. I'd like to see him given a stretch of games to find his rhythm in the team, though obviously a relegation dogfight is not ideal for that, which is why I was hoping that O'Neill would be allowed to make a lb signing/loan a priority. But if he is denied, then Tymon and Ward are all we can rely on. We can't really expect Ward to become a better player at his age, but we can try to sustain and support Tymon. The first team isn't there as a nursing ground for young players. He needs to demonstrate in training whether he deserves a place in the first team. On the day if he isn't a better option than Ward he doesn't play. He came us with a good reputation but every time I've seen him play he's been abysmal so for me any "potential" is purely theoritical. Edwards is struggling but I can still see the potential. Collins is raw but definitely has potential. But Tymon? Sorry not seen it. Yet. First time I watched him in a pre season friendly he didn't look like a talented footballer, nothing I have seen since has convinced me otherwise, we will see in the near future I suspect if there has been a remarkable improvement, I think he was bought here to eventually succeed Pieters by Hughes who gave up on pretty sharpish we will see.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 13:06:08 GMT
I look at his potential rather than short lived bad experiences. I blame Jones for playing Tymon in a diamond that neither player nor manager seemed to understand. I'd like to see him given a stretch of games to find his rhythm in the team, though obviously a relegation dogfight is not ideal for that, which is why I was hoping that O'Neill would be allowed to make a lb signing/loan a priority. But if he is denied, then Tymon and Ward are all we can rely on. We can't really expect Ward to become a better player at his age, but we can try to sustain and support Tymon. The first team isn't there as a nursing ground for young players. He needs to demonstrate in training whether he deserves a place in the first team. On the day if he isn't a better option than Ward he doesn't play. He came us with a good reputation but every time I've seen him play he's been abysmal so for me any "potential" is purely theoritical. Edwards is struggling but I can still see the potential. Collins is raw but definitely has potential. But Tymon? Sorry not seen it. Yet. Apart from the Preston game you've only seen him against top class opposition like Chelsea and other top teams. It's not really a fair sample to dismiss his potential on. He was signed at 17 and he was only just turned 18 when Hughes threw him in at the deep end. I was very surprised, because he was not otherwise known to bring kids into the League. I thought he must have seen something special in training, unfortunately his first few matches were at the far too deep end. The one thing in his favour is that his coaches continue to speak highly of him.
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Post by lordb on Dec 24, 2019 13:29:22 GMT
He's definitely got talent, just not convinced he's a left back. He's got a good touch and is very good at crossing.
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Post by sd22 on Dec 24, 2019 13:45:13 GMT
He's definitely got talent, just not convinced he's a left back. He's got a good touch and is very good at crossing. Although he’s primarily a left back, I’m sure he’s had a few games at left wing for the youth team, I’m sure I read somewhere he had a dabble at centre mid in Portugal(what games he played). He had a nightmare under Jones, but who didn’t!?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 22:21:42 GMT
Surely Bauer is much better than this shit? At going forward, yes. But when it comes defending he really doesn't know how to. He doesn't understand the offside laws for starters.
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 24, 2019 23:46:25 GMT
Surely Bauer is much better than this shit? At going forward, yes. But when it comes defending he really doesn't know how to. He doesn't understand the offside laws for starters. There's no way Smith and Edwards are better than Bauer, no matter how flawed his defensive capabilities
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 25, 2019 1:13:52 GMT
It’s a bit like sending for the cavalry.
Hearing the sounds of hooves approaching.
Then watching as Michael Palin comes over the hill followed by a bloke banging two coconut halves together.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Dec 25, 2019 1:20:35 GMT
It’s a bit like sending for the cavalry. Hearing the sounds of hooves approaching. Then watching as Michael Palin comes over the hill followed by a bloke banging two coconut halves together. You've just rather succinctly described the feeling I get when I see the fourth official holding up the board to indicate which of our substitutes is about to join the heat of battle....
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Post by NassauDave on Dec 25, 2019 4:14:24 GMT
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Post by s7oke on Dec 25, 2019 4:32:28 GMT
Let's slate him then. That should work. It's not like he'll be coming into an atmosphere more toxic than Chernobyl anyway. Let's make it worse. In all the years I have supported this club this is the worst disconnection I have ever seen between fans and Players, even under Ball there was still a connection with most of the players, Prem league has damaged this club and fans, we have lost our identity, you only have to listen to ex players to see this, we always used be the Extra man when things got tough now we are the grim reaper waiting in the stands. Spot on we are a bunch of fannies in comparison to pre premier league ! If it means stoke getting relegated to get our identity back I would gladly take it !!! The last 4 years has been pitiful and a disgrace if that’s what the premier league does to clubs then fuck it !!! I am glad to see the back of it. Some fans on here thrive on the misfortune. They need to wind their necks in grow a pair of bollocks and support the club without making matters worse !!!! I’m fucking sick of this glass half empty bollocks! Time to remember who we are if we lose every game so what ! It’s still Stoke City which means more bad times than good !
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Post by berahinosgoals on Dec 25, 2019 6:09:16 GMT
Might come in handy in division 3, as might n goy, verlinden & Sorenson
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