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Post by LGH87 on Nov 22, 2019 11:52:29 GMT
I tend to agree with you as he does appear to need a lot of work defensively so much so he may never make it at left back. From what I have seen so far, and it is not too much, he does seem to be good on the ball and has a bit of pace, Moving him forward is not similar to trying to change someone who has no natural ability, ala our 100% trier but no natural ability,James Maclean. He's definitely a good footballer and I think that can be worked with. And definitely, he can do most of what a winger does already, it's just about teaching him to do it from that more advanced role. Whereas I think defending is a lot harder and you need more of a brain or that natural intuition to read the game. My issue with him though is in the few glimpses i've had of him he doesn't look particularly quick, or strong.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2019 11:53:52 GMT
He's definitely a good footballer and I think that can be worked with. And definitely, he can do most of what a winger does already, it's just about teaching him to do it from that more advanced role. Whereas I think defending is a lot harder and you need more of a brain or that natural intuition to read the game. My issue with him though is in the few glimpses i've had of him he doesn't look particularly quick, or strong. He's not overly quick I agree but he has got the ability to get crosses in and make room for himself to do that. Which is what I like about him.
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Post by rawli on Nov 22, 2019 12:02:21 GMT
Steve Bould would have been fucked off before he started by the experts on here. To be fair, he wasn't great as a full back and made his name as a centre back. Tymon could well come good at left back or become a left sided midfielder. Don't disagree. The way some wankers on here talk about him is a disgrace. As ever they are desperate to be proved right.
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Post by pottersrule on Nov 22, 2019 13:49:19 GMT
Yes if 43 mins is a chance, he did have one, and one only, under Jones. He had some more under Hughes, but I felt he was more being set up for failure really. He wasn't eased into the team but was thrown into the deep end at Chelsea, for instance with several other inexperienced or indisposed players like Berahino. He didn't even have Shawcross to guide him along and he didn't get any defensive coaching from the manager. Would have been a waste of time playing for Jones judgement as he wouldn't have a clue what he was looking for anyway. Would not know a footballer if he bumped into one! Most of his purchases certainly give weight to that comment.
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Post by chigstoke on Nov 22, 2019 15:27:32 GMT
Wonder if MON sees him as a left winger after his spell in Portugal? In that case, assuming Verlinden does get recalled after being pulled out of Bolton's FA Cup squad to avoid being cup tied, we could be having McClean, Verlinden and Tymon all vying for the LW role. Not a bad thing is it in all honesty? LW is Thibo's other position. He's primarily a right winger, so it's Ince's position that he may be vying for. I should have known that, I've had him in RW on Football Manager long enough!
If I were Ince I'd be knuckling down fast, has to stop being so anonymous in games.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2019 16:18:22 GMT
LW is Thibo's other position. He's primarily a right winger, so it's Ince's position that he may be vying for. I should have known that, I've had him in RW on Football Manager long enough!
If I were Ince I'd be knuckling down fast, has to stop being so anonymous in games.
We don't know what O'Neill's exact plans are or why he blocked TV playing in the cup. It could be because he already sees the great potential in the lad or he simply didn't have time to consider the matter properly and so put off making a decision by making the decision he did, in the best interests of our club. Equally we don't know what his exact thoughts are regarding Ince. The previous two managers certainly could see his potential but were blind to the way that Ince essentially just plays for himself and not the team. Jones did drop him on a number of occasions, but never for so long that Ince would be forced to change himself. And so we may be forced to sit through many games, before O'Neill sees that Ince is a limited player, or he may finally be the manager that can spot some hitherto unknown team playing potential in him.
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Post by adi on Nov 22, 2019 19:26:23 GMT
To be fair, he wasn't great as a full back and made his name as a centre back. Tymon could well come good at left back or become a left sided midfielder. Don't disagree. The way some wankers on here talk about him is a disgrace. As ever they are desperate to be proved right. I don’t think it’s very helpful or mature to call people giving their opinion “wankers” rawli. When I’ve seen him play he looked nothing like the player from Hull and was very quickly dropped by an experienced football manager. I hope he returns with new confidence and makes a good fist of it as we have no real decent option at LB currently.
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Post by adi on Nov 22, 2019 19:33:34 GMT
He definitely can’t play until January. So it would be odd if we have recalled him. Suppose it's possible he's back home for a few days during international break? Decidedly odd if he's been allowed to cut short his loan 6 weeks before he's even allowed to take the field for us, even if he is only the back-up left-back there. He'd have to be very homesick I think it’s good news potentially. If he’s been dropped by his loan club then he may as well be here training on O’Neill’s system and vying to take that spot in jan
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Post by rawli on Nov 22, 2019 20:04:42 GMT
Don't disagree. The way some wankers on here talk about him is a disgrace. As ever they are desperate to be proved right. I don’t think it’s very helpful or mature to call people giving their opinion “wankers” rawli. When I’ve seen him play he looked nothing like the player from Hull and was very quickly dropped by an experienced football manager. I hope he returns with new confidence and makes a good fist of it as we have no real decent option at LB currently. I'm sorry. The way he's talked about means the posters don't deserve a mature response. Wanker is mild and restrained tbh.
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Post by march4 on Nov 22, 2019 20:11:07 GMT
We will have to be relegated a couple more times before we will reach his level.
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Post by adi on Nov 22, 2019 21:47:47 GMT
I don’t think it’s very helpful or mature to call people giving their opinion “wankers” rawli. When I’ve seen him play he looked nothing like the player from Hull and was very quickly dropped by an experienced football manager. I hope he returns with new confidence and makes a good fist of it as we have no real decent option at LB currently. I'm sorry. The way he's talked about means the posters don't deserve a mature response. Wanker is mild and restrained tbh. It could be worse lol. No drama hopefully he comes back stronger. He has age on his side so let’s hope the coaches can get him on song.
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Post by sd22 on Nov 24, 2019 19:49:39 GMT
Rumours he’s actually back at Stoke already.
Any one able to confirm or deny?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 19:50:57 GMT
Aren't they SLP rumours, if they are I can deny them
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Post by sd22 on Nov 24, 2019 19:53:50 GMT
Aren't they SLP rumours, if they are I can deny them Not sure mate, unfollowed them a long time ago!! Whether someone has passed their rumours down the grapevine to me, I don’t know. If this is the case, I agree with you!
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Post by thebet365 on Nov 24, 2019 19:56:05 GMT
Aren't they SLP rumours, if they are I can deny them Not sure mate, unfollowed them a long time ago!! Whether someone has passed their rumours down the grapevine to me, I don’t know. If this is the case, I agree with you! Loans can no longer be cut short, a season long loan can only be cancelled in the January window and with all parties agreement.
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 24, 2019 19:57:10 GMT
SLP claimed he was.
Someone mentioned that he posted an instagram story from the Stoke game yesterday too
He certainly wasn't in the Famalicao 18 for their cup game yesterday, so it's starting to look like it.
Would be a strange one though as he couldn't play for us for another 6 weeks.
Unless he's injured, why would they let their back-up left-back leave a month and a half early?
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Post by sd22 on Nov 24, 2019 19:57:27 GMT
Not sure mate, unfollowed them a long time ago!! Whether someone has passed their rumours down the grapevine to me, I don’t know. If this is the case, I agree with you! Loans can no longer be cut short, a season long loan can only be cancelled in the January window and with all parties agreement. As Webby stated above - Looks like more SLP bollocks. Cheers lads
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 24, 2019 19:58:36 GMT
He was definitely at the game yesterday.
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Post by somersetstokie on Nov 24, 2019 20:01:38 GMT
Rumours he’s actually back at Stoke already. Any one able to confirm or deny?[/b] I expect Josh Tymon could.
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Post by potters11 on Nov 24, 2019 20:35:23 GMT
SLP claimed he was. Someone mentioned that he posted an instagram story from the Stoke game yesterday too He certainly wasn't in the Famalicao 18 for their cup game yesterday, so it's starting to look like it. Would be a strange one though as he couldn't play for us for another 6 weeks. Unless he's injured, why would they let their back-up left-back leave a month and a half early? Maybe they’ve realised what we’ve seen for months that he’s not up to it!? The way some people were talking on here was that he’d single handily taken the Portuguese League by storm this season. He’s made 4 starts and 1 cameo from the bench ...
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 24, 2019 20:45:23 GMT
SLP claimed he was. Someone mentioned that he posted an instagram story from the Stoke game yesterday too He certainly wasn't in the Famalicao 18 for their cup game yesterday, so it's starting to look like it. Would be a strange one though as he couldn't play for us for another 6 weeks. Unless he's injured, why would they let their back-up left-back leave a month and a half early? Maybe they’ve realised what we’ve seen for months that he’s not up to it!? The way some people were talking on here was that he’d single handily taken the Portuguese League by storm this season. He’s made 4 starts and 1 cameo from the bench ... Yeah - not suggesting he's remotely a world beater or necessarily good enough to contribute for us. They may well have decided he's not good enough for them But I thought their manager knew him well from Hull when he was Silva's No.2 and worked with him for a season? www.transfermarkt.co.uk/josh-tymon/leistungsdaten/spieler/419929He hasn't made their matchday squad since the end of September. But why would we take him back early and presumably have to start paying him fully again - and maybe spend tens of thousands of pounds we don't have to? Unless there's been some sort of mutual deal agreed - with all parties thinking it pointless for him to spend more time over there if he's not in their plans, and he may as well train here with MON getting a look at him.
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Post by potters11 on Nov 24, 2019 21:46:16 GMT
Maybe they’ve realised what we’ve seen for months that he’s not up to it!? The way some people were talking on here was that he’d single handily taken the Portuguese League by storm this season. He’s made 4 starts and 1 cameo from the bench ... Yeah - not suggesting he's remotely a world beater or necessarily good enough to contribute for us. They may well have decided he's not good enough for them But I thought their manager knew him well from Hull when he was Silva's No.2 and worked with him for a season? www.transfermarkt.co.uk/josh-tymon/leistungsdaten/spieler/419929He hasn't made their matchday squad since the end of September. But why would we take him back early and presumably have to start paying him fully again - and maybe spend tens of thousands of pounds we don't have to? Unless there's been some sort of mutual deal agreed - with all parties thinking it pointless for him to spend more time over there if he's not in their plans, and he may as well train here with MON getting a look at him. I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there mate. For the players future he’d be far better off on a training pitch here rather than in Portugal.
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Post by rawli on Nov 24, 2019 22:01:56 GMT
Maybe they’ve realised what we’ve seen for months that he’s not up to it!? The way some people were talking on here was that he’d single handily taken the Portuguese League by storm this season. He’s made 4 starts and 1 cameo from the bench ... Yeah - not suggesting he's remotely a world beater or necessarily good enough to contribute for us. They may well have decided he's not good enough for them But I thought their manager knew him well from Hull when he was Silva's No.2 and worked with him for a season? www.transfermarkt.co.uk/josh-tymon/leistungsdaten/spieler/419929He hasn't made their matchday squad since the end of September. But why would we take him back early and presumably have to start paying him fully again - and maybe spend tens of thousands of pounds we don't have to? Unless there's been some sort of mutual deal agreed - with all parties thinking it pointless for him to spend more time over there if he's not in their plans, and he may as well train here with MON getting a look at him. You're assuming they are paying him thousands. I wouldn't be surprised if they are paying a tiny percentage of his wages.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 25, 2019 0:01:56 GMT
Yeah - not suggesting he's remotely a world beater or necessarily good enough to contribute for us. They may well have decided he's not good enough for them But I thought their manager knew him well from Hull when he was Silva's No.2 and worked with him for a season? www.transfermarkt.co.uk/josh-tymon/leistungsdaten/spieler/419929He hasn't made their matchday squad since the end of September. But why would we take him back early and presumably have to start paying him fully again - and maybe spend tens of thousands of pounds we don't have to? Unless there's been some sort of mutual deal agreed - with all parties thinking it pointless for him to spend more time over there if he's not in their plans, and he may as well train here with MON getting a look at him. You're assuming they are paying him thousands. I wouldn't be surprised if they are paying a tiny percentage of his wages. That’s still thousands
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Post by clarkeda on Nov 28, 2019 17:22:41 GMT
Just seen this on his Instagram. Wonder what it’s about.
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Post by RF10 on Nov 28, 2019 17:38:53 GMT
Just seen this on his Instagram. Wonder what it’s about. Who do you think you are FullerMagic?!
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Post by stokemark on Nov 28, 2019 21:01:20 GMT
According to Wiki he’s played just 5 times in Portugal
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 15:30:15 GMT
You're assuming they are paying him thousands. I wouldn't be surprised if they are paying a tiny percentage of his wages. That’s still thousands It might be ONE thousand, but if it's a tiny percentage, it's no more, as his wage here was 10.000
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Post by FullerMagic on Dec 23, 2019 15:24:19 GMT
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 23, 2019 15:36:01 GMT
Next up verlinden.
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