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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2019 22:49:49 GMT
Ian Austin's obsession with Corbyn is unhealthy............ For whom? He's an odious warmongering little shitehawk. And he'll be unemployed in 6 weeks.............
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 31, 2019 6:19:58 GMT
He's an odious warmongering little shitehawk. And he'll be unemployed in 6 weeks............. Yes , it's sad times fir British democracy as I've been saying isn't it. Mist of the current lot are faulty in some way aren't they? The leader of the opposition apparently more comfortable in public preferring the IRA, Hamas etc rather than the UK.. when did he last show support and enthusiasm for the UK? How has it come to this.
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 31, 2019 6:27:00 GMT
He's an odious warmongering little shitehawk. And he'll be unemployed in 6 weeks............. Yes , it's sad times fir British democracy as I've been saying isn't it. Mist of the current lot are faulty in some way aren't they? The leader of the opposition apparently more comfortable in public preferring the IRA, Hamas etc rather than the UK.. when did he last show support and enthusiasm for the UK? How has it come to this. "preferring the IRA, Hamas etc rather than the UK" Jesus christ not this again. No tory leader has ever talked to people we dont like have they. If you want to dig stuff up blame the tories for not preventing WW2 and signing a pact with Hitler .Now theres a terrorist for you.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 31, 2019 7:43:31 GMT
The people love him ha ha
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 31, 2019 7:48:36 GMT
Yes , it's sad times fir British democracy as I've been saying isn't it. Mist of the current lot are faulty in some way aren't they? The leader of the opposition apparently more comfortable in public preferring the IRA, Hamas etc rather than the UK.. when did he last show support and enthusiasm for the UK? How has it come to this. "preferring the IRA, Hamas etc rather than the UK" Jesus christ not this again. No tory leader has ever talked to people we dont like have they. If you want to dig stuff up blame the tories for not preventing WW2 and signing a pact with Hitler .Now theres a terrorist for you. The lamest of lame defences Tory and Labour PMs spoke to the IRA to actually try and bring peace, Corbyn only spoke to these people to offer support there is not a single credible recorded account of Corbyn ever meeting both sides of any conflict.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 31, 2019 7:56:16 GMT
Yes , it's sad times fir British democracy as I've been saying isn't it. Mist of the current lot are faulty in some way aren't they? The leader of the opposition apparently more comfortable in public preferring the IRA, Hamas etc rather than the UK.. when did he last show support and enthusiasm for the UK? How has it come to this. "preferring the IRA, Hamas etc rather than the UK" Jesus christ not this again. No tory leader has ever talked to people we dont like have they. If you want to dig stuff up blame the tories for not preventing WW2 and signing a pact with Hitler .Now theres a terrorist for you. Wrong hitler was a freedom fighter
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Post by 4372 on Oct 31, 2019 8:02:46 GMT
Today is the day we finally leave the EU, and all some people can do is write about Jeremy Corbyn.
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 31, 2019 8:11:09 GMT
"preferring the IRA, Hamas etc rather than the UK" Jesus christ not this again. No tory leader has ever talked to people we dont like have they. If you want to dig stuff up blame the tories for not preventing WW2 and signing a pact with Hitler .Now theres a terrorist for you. Wrong hitler was a freedom fighter Thats so weak..
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 31, 2019 8:15:15 GMT
"preferring the IRA, Hamas etc rather than the UK" Jesus christ not this again. No tory leader has ever talked to people we dont like have they. If you want to dig stuff up blame the tories for not preventing WW2 and signing a pact with Hitler .Now theres a terrorist for you. The lamest of lame defences Tory and Labour PMs spoke to the IRA to actually try and bring peace, Corbyn only spoke to these people to offer support there is not a single credible recorded account of Corbyn ever meeting both sides of any conflict. And the tory government never met or spoke to the IRA then.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 31, 2019 8:18:45 GMT
The lamest of lame defences Tory and Labour PMs spoke to the IRA to actually try and bring peace, Corbyn only spoke to these people to offer support there is not a single credible recorded account of Corbyn ever meeting both sides of any conflict. And the tory government never met or spoke to the IRA then. I mean I even said they did in the first line too cryptic for you ? But you see thats the job of government to bring peace, jezza with his wreath laying and standing in silence for ira murderers not so much...
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 31, 2019 8:29:42 GMT
Yes , it's sad times fir British democracy as I've been saying isn't it. Mist of the current lot are faulty in some way aren't they? The leader of the opposition apparently more comfortable in public preferring the IRA, Hamas etc rather than the UK.. when did he last show support and enthusiasm for the UK? How has it come to this. "preferring the IRA, Hamas etc rather than the UK" Jesus christ not this again. No tory leader has ever talked to people we dont like have they. If you want to dig stuff up blame the tories for not preventing WW2 and signing a pact with Hitler .Now theres a terrorist for you. Unfortunately for Labour ( amongst many other problems) under Corbyn they will not escape hid past history, however you try to avoid it. The media will not br interested in the intricacies of the argument so I am afraid that yes, ' christ' it is this again....snd again and again. Whether you think it id justified or not he will easily be portrayed as tge leader who failed to deal with anti-Semitism within the party and therefore perpetuate the idea that Labour is a hidden anti Semitic Party. Awful leadership....it isn't as if the working class electorate feel strongly about Israel.. ..but he has allowed the agenda to move from listening to their issues to another issue based campaign. It's funny how you bring in appeasement with the enemy into it in WW2, some did indeed argue for that.... perhaps there are similarities in the current situation?
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Post by Eggybread on Oct 31, 2019 9:17:36 GMT
"preferring the IRA, Hamas etc rather than the UK" Jesus christ not this again. No tory leader has ever talked to people we dont like have they. If you want to dig stuff up blame the tories for not preventing WW2 and signing a pact with Hitler .Now theres a terrorist for you. Unfortunately for Labour ( amongst many other problems) under Corbyn they will not escape hid past history, however you try to avoid it. The media will not br interested in the intricacies of the argument so I am afraid that yes, ' christ' it is this again....snd again and again. Whether you think it id justified or not he will easily be portrayed as tge leader who failed to deal with anti-Semitism within the party and therefore perpetuate the idea that Labour is a hidden anti Semitic Party. Awful leadership....it isn't as if the working class electorate feel strongly about Israel.. ..but he has allowed the agenda to move from listening to their issues to another issue based campaign. It's funny how you bring in appeasement with the enemy into it in WW2, some did indeed argue for that.... perhaps there are similarities in the current situation? So basically you are saying no matter what the tory policies are you cannot vote for Labour because of Corbyn. Not particularly forward thinking that. Would you vote Labour if Corbyn was not in charge?
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Post by thevoid on Oct 31, 2019 9:22:31 GMT
Yes , it's sad times fir British democracy as I've been saying isn't it. Mist of the current lot are faulty in some way aren't they? The leader of the opposition apparently more comfortable in public preferring the IRA, Hamas etc rather than the UK.. when did he last show support and enthusiasm for the UK? How has it come to this. "preferring the IRA, Hamas etc rather than the UK" Jesus christ not this again. No tory leader has ever talked to people we dont like have they. If you want to dig stuff up blame the tories for not preventing WW2 and signing a pact with Hitler .Now theres a terrorist for you. Unfortunately we're discussing the company kept by the current leader of the opposition not something that occured in the 1930s, smeggy. Stop being obsessed with the past, I thought that was what Brexiteers do 😊
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 31, 2019 9:27:40 GMT
Unfortunately for Labour ( amongst many other problems) under Corbyn they will not escape hid past history, however you try to avoid it. The media will not br interested in the intricacies of the argument so I am afraid that yes, ' christ' it is this again....snd again and again. Whether you think it id justified or not he will easily be portrayed as tge leader who failed to deal with anti-Semitism within the party and therefore perpetuate the idea that Labour is a hidden anti Semitic Party. Awful leadership....it isn't as if the working class electorate feel strongly about Israel.. ..but he has allowed the agenda to move from listening to their issues to another issue based campaign. It's funny how you bring in appeasement with the enemy into it in WW2, some did indeed argue for that.... perhaps there are similarities in the current situation? So basically you are saying no matter what the tory policies are you cannot vote for Labour because of Corbyn. Not particularly forward thinking that. Would you vote Labour if Corbyn was not in charge? No I wouldn't because of their ridiculous stance on BREXIT. I'm not basically saying that..... As per the subject of the thread.... I'm basically saying that Jeremy is not a very good leader, has led Labour party into the wilderness, has enabled the party to be perceived as anti Semitic, has got a very poor front bench, has betrayed his traditional core vote on Brexit and his own principles ( I've absolutely no doubt that he would be arguing strongly for Leave had he not unexpectedly find himself promoted beyond his abilities), has poor presence and leadership qualities....but he means well , I think. Unfortunately you and the electorate are locked into the two party politics choice.... pragmatically it may be like that, but it doesn't have to be....it is possible to think differently.
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Post by thevoid on Oct 31, 2019 9:28:01 GMT
Unfortunately for Labour ( amongst many other problems) under Corbyn they will not escape hid past history, however you try to avoid it. The media will not br interested in the intricacies of the argument so I am afraid that yes, ' christ' it is this again....snd again and again. Whether you think it id justified or not he will easily be portrayed as tge leader who failed to deal with anti-Semitism within the party and therefore perpetuate the idea that Labour is a hidden anti Semitic Party. Awful leadership....it isn't as if the working class electorate feel strongly about Israel.. ..but he has allowed the agenda to move from listening to their issues to another issue based campaign. It's funny how you bring in appeasement with the enemy into it in WW2, some did indeed argue for that.... perhaps there are similarities in the current situation? So basically you are saying no matter what the tory policies are you cannot vote for Labour because of Corbyn. Not particularly forward thinking that. Would you vote Labour if Corbyn was not in charge? If I can interject, I've voted Labour before. But if died in the wool Labour supporters wouldn't vote for Corbyn (I know several), why on Earth would people from the centre right do so?
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Post by 4372 on Oct 31, 2019 9:31:24 GMT
"No ifs or buts, we are leaving on 31st October.
The Prime Minister
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 31, 2019 10:03:22 GMT
"No ifs or buts, we are leaving on 31st October. The Prime Minister You keep posting this while ignoring the fact that this was before the Surrender Act came into law. Do you not understand? Seriously, are you just going to regurgitate mindless soundbites that an 8 year old could explain away?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 31, 2019 10:11:22 GMT
"No ifs or buts, we are leaving on 31st October. The Prime Minister You keep posting this while ignoring the fact that this was before the Surrender Act came into law. Do you not understand? Seriously, are you just going to regurgitate mindless soundbites that an 8 year old could explain away? Still idiotic Politics from Johnson as Gove pointed at the time. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48535879He went on to say if you make 31st some sort of mystical date that cannot be ignored and is subsequently ,issed, then the Tories will lose the election and Corbyn will be PM. Lets hope old 'Gover' is right, eh?
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 31, 2019 10:16:59 GMT
"preferring the IRA, Hamas etc rather than the UK" Jesus christ not this again. No tory leader has ever talked to people we dont like have they. If you want to dig stuff up blame the tories for not preventing WW2 and signing a pact with Hitler .Now theres a terrorist for you. Unfortunately we're discussing the company kept by the current leader of the opposition not something that occured in the 1930s, smeggy. Stop being obsessed with the past, I thought that was what Brexiteers do 😊 The company he keeps imagine having to do this....
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 31, 2019 10:19:27 GMT
So basically you are saying no matter what the tory policies are you cannot vote for Labour because of Corbyn. Not particularly forward thinking that. Would you vote Labour if Corbyn was not in charge? If I can interject, I've voted Labour before. But if died in the wool Labour supporters wouldn't vote for Corbyn (I know several), why on Earth would people from the centre right do so? Void, I've voted Labour before. I used to be a member of the party ( in the 80s) I should be a Labour voter, dad a coal miner for 46 years, born in a Fegg Hayes council house. In a way I'd genuinely like to vote Labour. Absolutely impossible currently. Firstly they have got Brexit completely wrong ( see Tony Benn).... take away the vote/ democracy ( and that's what BREXIT does)and the working class will be the ones to suffer. Secondly Labour have stopped listening to the concerns of the working class... preferring to tell them how to think, what to say...... inevitably becoming an issue based protest group.... fighting the wrong issues.eg local northern working class communities are concerned that mass uncontrolled immigration does pose a threat..... rightly or wrongly. Thirdly instead of inspiring young people/ everyone to a better future through work/ enterprise / self help / confidence they are encouraging dependency culture ( see Clare Short).....and this is not to deny that relative poverty/ the gulf between rich and poor doesn't exist and needs to be addressed... Labour tend to do this by attacking the successful and rewarding ( in some cases) the feckless....the welfare state was meant to be a safety net( my father was always afraid of going in the workhouse)... Leonard Barber was a good Labour man and successful...."from the workhouse to Lord Mayor"( his book) In this respect the Tories are more attractive. Seventhly ( 🤨) Labour's leadership is not very good and it is a party as divided as the Tories. Most of their politicians are self entitled, self interested patronisers. When George Galloway turns on the Leadership you know they have problems.
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Post by 4372 on Oct 31, 2019 10:26:07 GMT
"No ifs or buts, we are leaving on 31st October. The Prime Minister You keep posting this while ignoring the fact that this was before the Surrender Act came into law. Do you not understand? Seriously, are you just going to regurgitate mindless soundbites that an 8 year old could explain away? Even you can understand what is going on here. But for the sake of clarity: Boris campaigned to lead the Tory Party and become the PM on the back of his 31 October promise. He went through the whole summer on "mindless soundbites", regurgitated in the Telegraph and Express ad nauseam. An 8 year old could have told him he was talking bollocks, because of the Parliamentary arithmetic. Anyway, today is the great day. Police will be asking people to check all their local ditches tomorrow.
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Post by foster on Oct 31, 2019 10:26:28 GMT
"No ifs or buts, we are leaving on 31st October. The Prime Minister You keep posting this while ignoring the fact that this was before the Surrender Act came into law. Do you not understand? Seriously, are you just going to regurgitate mindless soundbites that an 8 year old could explain away? It's a fact though. Deny and deflect I guess.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 31, 2019 10:27:43 GMT
Wrong hitler was a freedom fighter Thats so weak.. About as true and weak as the bullshit it was in reply to
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 31, 2019 10:33:56 GMT
You keep posting this while ignoring the fact that this was before the Surrender Act came into law. Do you not understand? Seriously, are you just going to regurgitate mindless soundbites that an 8 year old could explain away? It's a fact though. Deny and deflect I guess. What's a fact? The fact that a majority HoC lead by a biased speaker created legislation to tie Boris' hands? You do realise that that was exactly what happened don't you?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 31, 2019 10:36:38 GMT
Unfortunately we're discussing the company kept by the current leader of the opposition not something that occured in the 1930s, smeggy. Stop being obsessed with the past, I thought that was what Brexiteers do 😊 The company he keeps imagine having to do this.... Wreath laying "allegations"
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 31, 2019 10:37:36 GMT
You keep posting this while ignoring the fact that this was before the Surrender Act came into law. Do you not understand? Seriously, are you just going to regurgitate mindless soundbites that an 8 year old could explain away? Even you can understand what is going on here. But for the sake of clarity: Boris campaigned to lead the Tory Party and become the PM on the back of his 31 October promise. He went through the whole summer on "mindless soundbites", regurgitated in the Telegraph and Express ad nauseam. An 8 year old could have told him he was talking bollocks, because of the Parliamentary arithmetic. Anyway, today is the great day. Police will be asking people to check all their local ditches tomorrow. Oh dear. You're a lost cause.
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Post by foster on Oct 31, 2019 10:37:40 GMT
It's a fact though. Deny and deflect I guess. What's a fact? The fact that a majority HoC lead by a biased speaker created legislation to tie Boris' hands? You do realise that that was exactly what happened don't you? Yes, but don't tell me that Boris was surprised. I'm sure he (and Cummings) would have been well aware of all of the potential scenarios before making those ludicrous statements. He made a promise and he didn't keep it. There are no if's or buts.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 31, 2019 10:49:03 GMT
What's a fact? The fact that a majority HoC lead by a biased speaker created legislation to tie Boris' hands? You do realise that that was exactly what happened don't you? Yes, but don't tell me that Boris was surprised. I'm sure he (and Cummings) would have been well aware of all of the potential scenarios before making those ludicrous statements. He made a promise and he didn't keep it. There are no if's or buts. You buy a car and promise never to have an accident. I run into you at the supermarket car park. You lied. It's your fault. Gotcha
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Post by foster on Oct 31, 2019 10:51:56 GMT
Yes, but don't tell me that Boris was surprised. I'm sure he (and Cummings) would have been well aware of all of the potential scenarios before making those ludicrous statements. He made a promise and he didn't keep it. There are no if's or buts. You buy a car and promise never to have an accident. I run into you at the supermarket car park. You lied. It's your fault. Gotcha Who would promise to never have an accident? You'd have to be pretty thick to make a promise that you know you can't possibly keep. You can say that you'll 'try' to not have an accident, but you wouldn't promise it.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 31, 2019 10:54:29 GMT
It's interesting this IRA thing isn't it, as there are many in the Tory Party who would happily see a restoration of the troubles as long as it involved them getting their swivel eyed view of Brexit through.
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